STIG- new parts SOLVED~!

[Stig / Major Tom]

Well, shortly after posting the above...the dealer tech. called to say that they "have thoroughly tested my scooter at all speeds, including a 20mph cruise, and it is running perfectly!"

This is not what I wanted to hear - so, I asked him "You installed the new throttle body and seal ....and it is running perfectly at all speeds now?"
He said, "Yes!"

OK, I will go and pick it up ASAP in the next couple of days....weather notwithstanding.

Well, well.
I will give a full report when I get my scooter home.
(It has never been under anyone's wrench but mine. I will pull the seat bucket and have a look.)
Stig

[BettinANDlosing]

Did you make a secret mark or photo the numbers on the throttle body to ensure they actually did change it? I took apart a throttle body the other day and they might have been talking about the seal that goes i in the intake spacer idk.

[CROSSBOLT]

That is great to hear, Stig! But your satisfactory test is more important in that you know what you are looking for and they did not take the time to LISTEN TO YOU! I guess I can rest easier now to see what you say after YOUR test. Whew! What a process!

Karl

[TroutBum]

Stig,

I'll keep my fingers crossed you're scooter is running the way you know it should run.

[Stig / Major Tom]

Did you make a secret mark or photo the numbers on the throttle body to ensure they actually did change it? I took apart a throttle body the other day and they might have been talking about the seal that goes i in the intake spacer idk.

Yes, I have a few pix of the engine....
I sure hope I see a new throttle body under that seat!
Stig

[big blue]

My little repaired heart will be running on full bore 'til you give us the full report on your Like. I hope it meets your expectations. You have been MORE than patient with these guys! Good Luck. 

[2wheelfun]

See the yellow goo on the back of the ecu, it looks baked kinda with a dark brown hue. New one should be nice and yellow real pretty like if they're using the same color goo. Almost seems like it got too hot[?]..........one of my peeves was in the future having to replace that TB when just one thing goes wrong with it. TPS sensor on a car usually runs $30 to $40. 1 other peeve I would not have been able to ride at all this year if I had to wait on kymco's warranty response. Most ECUs on cars are mounted away from heat sources for reasons of heat failure early on in the 80's.

[Stig / Major Tom]

See the yellow goo on the back of the ecu, it looks baked kinda with a dark brown hue. New one should be nice and yellow real pretty like if they're using the same color goo. Almost seems like it got too hot[?]..........one of my peeves was in the future having to replace that TB when just one thing goes wrong with it. TPS sensor on a car usually runs $30 to $40. 1 other peeve I would not have been able to ride at all this year if I had to wait on kymco's warranty response. Most ECUs on cars are mounted away from heat sources for reasons of heat failure early on in the 80's.

Mine has been this color since I first opened the seat bucket from new.
Aways wondered what that stuff was.
And, yes, I would have nearly 10,000 miles (approaching 3000 on my H_nda) on my LIKE if it had been a quick turn around at the dealer.
Took forever for them to get a scanner, find the issue and get the parts  - and put them in.
Blame myself for some of this - I should have refused to bring it home after the 1st time I took it in & they said they couln't find anything. (toying with the idea of asking them for my $57 back in store credit for that first visit)
Hope to pick it up this afternoon.
Stig

[TLRam1]

I had to wait on kymco's warranty response.

This is my issue considering future purchases, response time and lack of actions by the dealer and Kymco should give anyone pause.

That being said the issue does not appear to be with Kymco Inc and realize they have only so much they can do with a dealer especially since they need a dealer network, Kymco Inc, may bite their tongues somewhat.

I would guess all Kymco Inc. can do is influence and make strong suggestions with their dealers.........other than that, bring on the death penalty and find a New dealer and that is probably hard to do and not the best solution in most cases.

[Stig / Major Tom]

Running issue solved!
My scooter's  throttle position sensor failed on July 4 (or 5th, can't remember) 2014.
Scoot went in for a 2nd dealer attempt to fix on Sept 26th.
Today, Nov 8th, I picked it up from the dealer and rode it for an hour, at all speeds.
The scooter is working perfectly again.

The dealer obtained these parts from KYMCO USA, and installed them:
1 Module ASSY ECU
1 Seal THROTTLE ECU
All work (this time) was carried out under warranty, no charge. The parts are new & confirmed by eye-balling them and comparing with photos of the orig. parts.
I noted that they did use fully a half tank of gas while they had it (I filled it a few hundred yards down the street before giving it to them)  - so they did give it some thorough bench & road testing.

I must say that once KYMCO USA was brought into the picture - for the most part they did do all I could ask to get my scooter fixed.
I'll run it a few more days, and if all is well, I'll give the area KYMCO service rep. a big thank you for his intervention.

This LIKE200i is a very peppy scooter on city streets.
The EFI fires my scoot in all kinds of weather and temps and has never left me stranded in 7000 miles.
The brakes are superb.
I've no complaints with the build quality of the body or engine....though I did quickly upgrade the tires to Michelin City Grips. I would recommend staying with OEM Kymco parts for their quality.
The scooter is, I think, very easy to service (spark plug, valves, injector, coil, fuel pump, belt, clutch, rollers, engine & gear oil changes, brakes, bulbs, switches)

Only after putting nearly 3000 miles on a longer, heavier, more powerful scooter  with larger tires and twin headlights did I become so aware of the limitations of the LIKE. The harsher ride quality differences are due I think to it's wheelbase, weight, engine & tire size and lighting.

I think it provides very good value for about $2500 OTD. Before I'd spend very much more than that - I'd be looking at bigger, new/left-over or lightly used larger scooters. My impression is that Kymco makes quality scooters.
I am happy to have this LIKE back running well & in the garage!

{It all seems like too many words for a simple fix. Thanks for all the support from so many members!!}
Stig
PS: Karl, I will get your scanner in the mail ASAP..... I'm going to run the scoot a few more days - but I'm not going to test it with the scanner if all seems good. Then I'll return it with some nice donuts taped to it , or something, for your kindness.)

[CROSSBOLT]

Oh, I am SOOOO glad this finally turned out well! Words really fail me at this point....never seem to be at a loss for words or opinions but I am now. You gotta be the most patient man I have ever sorta met! You have made the same conclusions about the Like as I have, good and not so good. It IS a great value for the money but I get it about the comparison to the Forza, or in my case the DT. Whole different world, ain't it? The Like fills a niche, is way better than a Buddy 150 but is kinda in the same class in spite of the bigger wheels and longer wheelbase. I am really happy for ya and hope NO BODY has to go through what you did with your dealer. If you are gonna send donuts, I really like creullers! Or however it is spelled!

Karl

[vespbretta]

Congrats Stig! Good to hear that there is a happy end after 4 month of....

But what exactely has this "professional motorcycle company" in springfield really done/changed?
Did they really change the whole throttlebody/ecu assy?
According to your parts list it looks like they only changed the ECU alone. Therefore the mysterious seal. Because of course there is a seal between throtttlebody and ECU.
Have you checked the engraved numbers on the throttle body as well, or only the number of the ECU?

The reason for my question is that I still don´t know, if the thottlebody assy was one whole unit sold with the ECU or if it could be ordered/sold/repaired separetely.

And did you ask for and get your $57 back for that senseless and useless mechanics testride at the first "professional attempt"?

Have you received at least an apologize from your dealer/tech?

Hope that any further (test)rides will go flawlessly and you will have much fun again with your Chinese Swiss BMW. 

[2wheelfun]

Congrats on getting it fixed. You going to keep her or sell it?

[big blue]

Great to hear that your Like is back to health! A big WOOHOO to yah. 

[BettinANDlosing]

Congrats Stig! Good to hear that there is a happy end after 4 month of....

But what exactely has this "professional motorcycle company" in springfield really done/changed?
Did they really change the whole throttlebody/ecu assy?
According to your parts list it looks like they only changed the ECU alone. Therefore the mysterious seal. Because of course there is a seal between throtttlebody and ECU.
Have you checked the engraved numbers on the throttle body as well, or only the number of the ECU?

The reason for my question is that I still don´t know, if the thottlebody assy was one whole unit sold with the ECU or if it could be ordered/sold/repaired separetely.

And did you ask for and get your $57 back for that senseless and useless mechanics testride at the first "professional attempt"?

Have you received at least an apologize from your dealer/tech?

Hope that any further (test)rides will go flawlessly and you will have much fun again with your Chinese Swiss BMW. 

The ecu can only be ordered as a complete unit with the throttle body.