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General => Technical | How To => Topic started by: EvilTessmacher on July 27, 2018, 08:48:22 PM
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Okay everyone! Here is the info on the Kymco Xciting 400i ABS 600 Mile Service. Wrote the Subject Line like that to make it easier to search. ::)
Interestingly, if you go to the KymcoUSA website, go through "Accessories" and get to the "Parts" section, if you make a "Wish List" it will ask you who your dealer is, and will automatically send it to them via email. I did this, not really knowing what was going to happen, and got an email the next day from the girl at the parts desk at the dealership asking me if I wanted her to order them! I told her yes, so she did, and here's what they cost me:
(https://preview.ibb.co/ea9y3o/600mi_Parts_Price1.png) (https://ibb.co/eraub8)
First, here are the parts needed to complete:
+ Oil Change:- 1.3 Liters (1.37 Qt) Castrol Edge 5W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil*
- 1 – Drain Bolt & Sealing Washer Assembly (PN: 9052A-LEB1-900)
- 1 – Oil Filter (PN: 1541A-LEH6-E00)
- 1 – Oil Filter Spring (If needed.) (PN: 15423-KKC3-900)
- 1 – Oil Filter Cap O-Ring (If needed.) (PN: 91303-LEA7-E00)
The following parts are optional, and only if needed, but should be inspected.
Inspect Oil Strainer Screen and O-Rings and replace (If needed.)- 1 – Oil Strainer Screen (PN: 15162-PUA5-E00)
- 1 – Oil Strainer Screen Cap O-Ring (PN: 91307-PUA5-E00)
- 2 – Oil Strainer Screen O-Ring (PN: 91306-PUA5-E00)
+ Transmission Fluid Change:- 0.20 Liter (6.76 Oz) Castrol Axle 80W-90 Limited Slip Gear Oil*
- 1 – Transmission Oil Drain Plug Washer (PN: 90474-3C33-001)
- Air Filter: Check for condition, replace if needed. (PN: 1721A-LKF5-E01)
Crankcase Breather Tube: (Puke Tube!) Check and clean if needed.
The following tools are needed:- #2 Phillips Screwdriver
- 8mm Socket
- 17mm Socket
- 24mm Socket
- Needlenose Pliers
- Small Funnel
- 1500ML Maxi Syringe
- Small Torque Wrench (optional, for those of you who don't use them ;D )
- Protective Gloves and Eyewear are recommended.
* If you prefer another brand, be sure to use a fully synthetic quality 4-stroke engine oil to ensure longer service life of the scooter. Only use oils that have a SJ rating above per the API service classification.
Engine oil viscosity: SAE 5W-50
Transmission oil viscosity: SAE 90
The procedures are straightforward, for someone with moderate mechanical skills.
I was going to attach the specific parts of the Service Manual for procedures and how to do it, but I get a "File Too Large" error. So, I've uploaded them to OneDrive, and they can be found here:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ajl8K-lSeuLUaAFIfilz0LGk-Po (https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ajl8K-lSeuLUaAFIfilz0LGk-Po)
Hope this helps anyone who does their own service!! 8)
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Outstanding! You and Stig are nominated to write the Kymco "Americanized" Service Manual! 25+ bucks for an OIL FILTER ELEMENT? Yow!
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On Fleabay they are a bit cheaper if you can wait a couple weeks for shipping.
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On Fleabay they are a bit cheaper if you can wait a couple weeks for shipping.
I don't have enough patience to spend time scrolling through the hundreds of items not for the X400i.
I once went looking for turn signals, and went through 4 pages (200 items per page) looking at turn signals for everything else but the X400i.
Plus, if I get stuff through the dealer, I have just that much more paper trail that I did the service.
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Hey ET, I just did my 600 mile oil change. You can use 10w40 for oil(5w50) doesn't really add much. You don't really need to check the air filter at this point. Also the oil cap spring and O-rings will be brand new and will not need to be changed, so save yourself a little money. It purrs like a kitten. This bike is much more comfortable than my 300 gti. The seat is awesome.
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Hey ET, I just did my 600 mile oil change. You can use 10w40 for oil(5w50) doesn't really add much. You don't really need to check the air filter at this point. Also the oil cap spring and O-rings will be brand new and will not need to be changed, so save yourself a little money. It purrs like a kitten. This bike is much more comfortable than my 300 gti. The seat is awesome.
Hey, Leo! Thanks for the tip! The retentive part of me is still going with the 5W-50, because that's what the manual specifies. It shows as such on my reciept, and that's a part of the paper trail I have for the records. But it's nice to know...
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Well, I was supposed to do my 600mi Service this past week, but I got an email from the parts folks at my dealer. Turns out that my oil filter is still in Taiwan. Apparently, no one in the entire US has one of these in stock, and the bike is so new that there are none available anywhere else except at the "home office" so to speak.
So, I'll be waiting until my filter comes in.
On the bright side (see what I did there?) I'm probably going to install some of the new LED driving lights. In which case, I'll write up and post an installation how-to.
Hope everyone's weekend is going well!!
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My apologies. I should have added my info for the oil change to this thread to keep it together.
Instructional Video and helpful (I hope) hints to ease the job.
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=26527.0 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=26527.0)
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Hey, great addition!
I got an email from the parts lady at the dealership today. There's another delay in getting my oil filter, and it should be another 7 to 10 days. They're very sorry, the US distributor is not happy with the Taiwanese Home Office for not having any parts available for US bikes, and they're trying to rectify the situation as soon as possible.
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Probably not a good idea to go with a HiFlo filter while under warranty, I guess?
Fortunately my new model Piaggio uses common Vespa filters - readily available.
Stig
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Probably not a good idea to go with a HiFlo filter while under warranty, I guess?
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Stig
Not being snarky, but why?
The reason I ask is because there are 2 shops here that recommend them over OEM and one independent shop that uses them exclusively.
The independent guy is an ex Honda tech that started his own shop and said the HiFlo filters meet or exceed specs and cost less than OEM.
Having said that, I do know that in some places it can make a difference, but in the USA keeping your own records and using after market doesn't void warranty.
As long as you(the consumer) use products that meet required specs.
I do know that you(again, meaning the consumer) can't always trust dealers or their techs, thus my query. I'm open to listen to fact or opinion.
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Hi-flo impressed me when the Yager was my ride. First oil change pending, I was astounded that ANYONE would ask over 20 bucks for what had to be a very small filter element. With a straight face. In all seriousness. When I got the Hi-flo, I visually inspected both and determined that BOTH were made by the same factory. Been using them ever since. I am NOT paying over 20 bucks for either a car or motorcycle filter element.
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Wait, what? There's an aftermarket filter that's less expensive, meets or exceeds factory specs, and readily available?
Really?
Where would I find one of these magical contrivances?
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Wait, what? There's an aftermarket filter that's less expensive, meets or exceeds factory specs, and readily available?
Really?
Where would I find one of these magical contrivances?
HiFlo HF568
Here it is on Amazon from a California dealer: https://www.amazon.com/Hi-Flo-HF568-Hiflofiltro-hf568Â-Filter/dp/B01N3SN8EV (https://www.amazon.com/Hi-Flo-HF568-Hiflofiltro-hf568Â-Filter/dp/B01N3SN8EV)
But you can search online and find it from several other sources like ebay also. This one is a bit expensive in my opinion, but local suppliers don't stock it yet.
I orders mine from Brooksbarn.com and with shipping they were $1 more than the Amazon seller. Still got them in 1 week because they didn't ship for 2 days after I ordered.
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Not being snarky, but why?
The reason I ask is because there are 2 shops here that recommend them over OEM and one independent shop that uses them exclusively.
The independent guy is an ex Honda tech that started his own shop and said the HiFlo filters meet or exceed specs and cost less than OEM.
Having said that, I do know that in some places it can make a difference, but in the USA keeping your own records and using after market doesn't void warranty.
As long as you(the consumer) use products that meet required specs.
I do know that you(again, meaning the consumer) can't always trust dealers or their techs, thus my query. I'm open to listen to fact or opinion.
IF my new scooter engine were to suffer ruinous failure while under warranty (for whatever reason) ...and they found a non factory part inside the engine case, I'd figure I'm going to be without my new scooter for quite some time while all parties debated how this did, or did not, affect the engine - and my warranty.
Highly unlikey ? Sure. All these filter papers are probably made in China, or Israel, or ….
Would use of a HiFlo toss your warranty out of the window? Probably not - when all the screaming was done.
It's out there in the yard, somewhere - where it landed.
Most brands of scooters are made to survive darn near anything that can happen to them in a 3rd world country - or in our garages. But I wouldn't want to debate this with the manufacturer.
I've had the experience of losing a scooter for months while the warranty was being debated. Me? I'd stay with genuine internal engine parts for the duration of the warranty period.
I used HiFlo filters in a Burgman 400 - after the warranty - they were very hard to fit compared to the Suzuki filters. Other Burgman owners figured out how to use $1.99 econo furnace filter bits in their $12,000 Burgmans.
Stig
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Well, darn, Stig... That sounds like a load of bollocks, as my British friend says. An oil filter is an oil filter is an oil filter. All the rest of that just seems like rubbish to me. Bummer. It's almost like they're so concerned about making a buck off of people, rather than making sure they put at least something in.
If I don't get my new oil filter soon, I'm seriously going to think about getting one of these. I'll be over 750 miles in a couple of days.
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Well, darn, Stig... That sounds like a load of bollocks, as my British friend says. An oil filter is an oil filter is an oil filter. All the rest of that just seems like rubbish to me. Bummer. It's almost like they're so concerned about making a buck off of people, rather than making sure they put at least something in.
If I don't get my new oil filter soon, I'm seriously going to think about getting one of these. I'll be over 750 miles in a couple of days.
You know, I think it was the Burgman service schedule book that advised changing the oil filter only every second oil change. Seriously.
Some guys said, "yeah - that dirty filter filters even a little better than the clean one.".....now that it's gummed up a bit??
Who knows.....
I'd get a HiFlo in there and some new oil.
Stig
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I think I might just do exactly that.
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Dirty filters do typically filter better than new ones (true with air filters too). The thing to worry about with dirty oil filters is eventually they'll get so clogged that they'll open a bypass valve that allows the dirty oil through. Unless they don't have such a valve (I don't think mine does), and then no oil will flow.
No idea how long that takes though.
Personally, I would go with the aftermarket filter for the time being.
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Well, I ordered that Hiflo on August 24.
Still no oil filter from either the dealer or Brooksbarn.
I changed out the old oil for new oil last Friday (took me about 20 minutes. Thanks Clampett!) I drained out the old filter, and blew compressed air through it (gently, gently) to sort of "help" the old oil out. It looked pretty good, but I still ran a neodymium magnet over it, just to catch anything I couldn't see. Buttoned everything back up, and I'm riding around on that old filter with new oil.
Going to do another change when either one of the filters gets in, and then I'm going to order a couple of spares, just to have on hand.
This is getting ridiculous. It's the Dauphine all over again.
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Well, I ordered that Hiflo on August 24.
Still no oil filter from either the dealer or Brooksbarn.
I changed out the old oil for new oil last Friday (took me about 20 minutes. Thanks Clampett!) I drained out the old filter, and blew compressed air through it (gently, gently) to sort of "help" the old oil out. It looked pretty good, but I still ran a neodymium magnet over it, just to catch anything I couldn't see. Buttoned everything back up, and I'm riding around on that old filter with new oil.
Going to do another change when either one of the filters gets in, and then I'm going to order a couple of spares, just to have on hand.
This is getting ridiculous. It's the Dauphine all over again.
Owner's of brand new models run into this lack of spares, sometimes.
Could be worse...could be finding first year mechanical issues, with all the recall hassles and road breakdowns.
Strange that filter is not common to other models sold here. Oil & air filters should arrive on the same boat carrying the bikes!
Well, you get ALL the joys of 1st owners of new models....incl.the spares shortage.
I know some riders who preach new model avoidance.....
I say, no problem, just do pre-purchase reasearch.
My big thing is ease of DIY maintenance....won't ever again step out with one hard to DIY the basics. I bought the Piaggio serv. manual, before buying the scoot.
I know of 3 scoots so difficult to valve service. ....forums are full of rationalizations for neglecting them. If a bunch neglect them....it must be OK?
😊
Stig
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No new model recalls because it isn't new. They started making these back in 2013. They are just new to the N. American market. So plenty of supplies, just not local.
The new model of the 400i has integrated GPS with a screen you can modify and even add your own screen saver. Maybe we can get it in 4 more years too :-\
As far as the oil filter, the research I've done shows no other bike/scooter uses this filter. But, just because I can't find another ride that uses it doesn't mean it is so......
If you do a search on the HF568, all references state it is only for the 400i.
Track of the sales of these filters would provide some invaluable research on average usage vs just purchase and sitting in the garage.
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For what it's worth gang, It occurred to me that I hadn't posted the torque values to retighten everything. I don't happen to have that info directly in front of me, but I do recall that the manual used some weird values, like Kg/m or something like that. I remember having to convert to Newton-Meters, and I wrote all that down out in the garage when I was doing all this. And that's where it sits. In the garage.
I'll get it posted a little later today.
Sorry about that!
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I've got this:
Oil drain: 18.08 ft/lb torque
Oil strainer: 7.2 ft/lb torque
But I've no info for the filter cover plate (that I can find). So, I just got it hand tight, put the wrench on it and added about 1/8 turn. Checked it a week later and still good without any leaks.
When I checked it the week following, I set the wrench to 8 ft/lb and it moved just a hair then clicked.
I'd feel better if I knew the proper torque for the filter.
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I've got this:
Oil drain: 18.08 ft/lb torque
Oil strainer: 7.2 ft/lb torque
But I've no info for the filter cover plate (that I can find). So, I just got it hand tight, put the wrench on it and added about 1/8 turn. Checked it a week later and still good without any leaks.
When I checked it the week following, I set the wrench to 8 ft/lb and it moved just a hair then clicked.
I'd feel better if I knew the proper torque for the filter.
Well, there ya go...
I think I did my filter cap at 10 Nm. I'm going to park on a piece of cardboard tonight when I get home, and see what it looks like tomorrow.
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I'm going to park on a piece of cardboard tonight when I get home, and see what it looks like tomorrow.
I'm very happy to report that there are no runs, drips, or leaks. The cardboard was clean.
But I'm still nervous that I didn't put enough gear oil in the trans. I may go back out and top it off later today, if I don't start feeling a little better about this.
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Your call, ET. No whining if you gotta clean up a buncha 90W! Har, har!
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Your call, ET. No whining if you gotta clean up a buncha 90W! Har, har!
Whine? Me?
I think I'm just going to visually check it, and let it go at that. If it isn't visible at the edge of the hole, then I'll add in a bit more.
I suspect I won't have to do that, as I added about 240ml. That's 10 more than a complete overhaul calls for.
The engine oil is just fine. Although, I don't like the way the dipstick is gradiated. It just isn't visually clear what the level is. Needs to be redesigned.
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Some Piaggio scoots have a plastic dipstick in the top of the gear case.
I caught a lot of grief from Vespa owners for not checking mine.
My Piaggio does not have a DS.
The fill till overflows sure makes things simpler. Wish all scoots had that.
I measure what comes out of a new scooter....and refill with that amount. I would not return more than directed by a manual. A bit less would likely have less consequences than an overfill.
When I get messed up on my measurements, I just drain and start over.
Stig
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I've got this:
Oil drain: 18.08 ft/lb torque
Oil strainer: 7.2 ft/lb torque
But I've no info for the filter cover plate (that I can find). So, I just got it hand tight, put the wrench on it and added about 1/8 turn. Checked it a week later and still good without any leaks.
When I checked it the week following, I set the wrench to 8 ft/lb and it moved just a hair then clicked.
I'd feel better if I knew the proper torque for the filter.
I wanted to expand on this a little...
From the manual, the recommended torque values:
For the Oil Strainer Screen Cover: 10Nm or 7.38 Ft/Lb
For the Oil Drain Plug Bolt: 25Nm or 18.44 Ft/Lb
For the Gear Oil Drain and Fill Bolt: 9.8Nm or 7.23 Ft/Lb
Here's the one that isn't in the manual, but after looking around a bit and reading the comments sections on several videos, the consensus seems to be...
Oil Filter Cap: 20Nm or 14.75 Ft/Lb
I still don't have any leaks from Diana, but I am also still a bit worried about that dang gear oil...
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Here's the one that isn't in the manual, but after looking around a bit and reading the comments sections on several videos, the consensus seems to be...
Oil Filter Cap: 20Nm or 14.75 Ft/Lb
I still don't have any leaks from Diana, but I am also still a bit worried about that dang gear oil...
One of the strange things to me is the manual lists a range for each torque setting. These(those we listed above) were the minimums.
The Oil Filter Cap has a short range of thread and feels light. 20Nm is the torque for the 6mm bolts also. To me that just seems a bit high for the cap.
I don't mean it is wrong, just seems high to ME. But I'm no engineer or even a real mechanic.
I do tend to worry/panic with aluminum parts(This one is $35) due to my own over zealousness in over tightening before I got a torque wrench.
Still, thanks for the input and update!! Think I'll go now and check the N2 in my tires ::)
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It's 78%, Jed. Just like yesterday! Har, har!
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I noticed that bit about ranges. I just went with the minimums of each range, because I don't trust my torque wrench. It's brand new, and one of those that has a twist-grip scale. I can barely read it for the glare.