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Compagno 50i and 110i / Compagno 110i seat size?
« on: April 06, 2015, 03:04:31 AM »
Just wondering if anyone has tried riding with a passenger?  The seat looks thick and comfy, legroom looks good for rider and passenger, but is the seat long enough for two people?

I'm 160 and my wife 110, we both have small frames and don't mind riding two-up snuggled up close for medium to long distances.  But we don't really want to be crammed together uncomfortably to the point of misery.

All the specs say dual rear shocks, but the photos clearly show a single rear shock.  The first priority would be to replace that with an adjustable unit to make sure the handling is crisp and stable with two people at higher speeds.

After some much needed seat mods we have done extensive two-up touring on our current Tomos Nitro 150.  We also did some successful touring on a Honda Elite 110 with 8.9 HP and power and speed was not an issue.  After trying several larger scooters and small motorcycles, I regret selling the Elite 110.  Honda doesn't produce them anymore, and I find the lighter weight and slightly more power of the Compagno very appealing.

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General Discussion / Re: 2014 Yamaha Zuma 50f vs 2014 Honda Ruckus
« on: September 05, 2014, 03:58:22 AM »
I've owned a 2007 Yamaha C3 and several Taiwanese 50cc two-strokes.

The C3 has the same fuel-injected and water-cooled  3-valve engine as the new Zuma 50f.

Throw some 4.5 gram Dr. Pulley slider weights in it and it will pull 45 mph all day long.  It is the only 4-stroke 50cc scooter I know of that can keep up with a two-stroke, but it gets 115 mpg while doing it and has one of the most bulletproof engines ever put in a scooter.

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People GT 300i / Re: CVT Belt Prices
« on: January 01, 2014, 09:42:11 PM »
Find out what the belt size is and try to find a Gates Powerlink from an online vendor.  I bought two for my Taiwanese GY6 150cc for $27 apiece.

Beware of a counterfeit belts for both Bando and Gates.

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People GT 300i / Re: GTi belt change - dumb question?
« on: January 01, 2014, 09:37:22 PM »
The rear brake will hold the clutch bell and nut.  Carry a socket and wrench with a small piece of pipe that slips over the wrench and gives you a little extra leverage.  Combined with a spare belt it doesn't take up much room under the seat or in a top case.  If need be you can stuff a piece of cord or small rope in the spark plug hole to lock the piston in place and remove the variator nut.  Or you can carry a tool that locks the variator from spinning, but those are usually a little bigger and may be inconvenient to carry.

Mark the shaft and nut with a dot of paint on each ahead time or when properly tightened.  You can then have a reference point to torque things down somewhat accurately on the road.  It also works great for checking to make sure the nut isn't backing off.

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General Discussion / Re: Like 200
« on: December 02, 2013, 04:06:33 PM »
Fine tuning the variator with some Dr. Pulley sliders might give it a little bit more acceleration and might be good for two or three mph on the top end.  No added stress to the engine or mechanicals.  Perhaps swapping out the variator with something aftermarket?  But that could end up being for nought unless you can find several reliable people that confirm a different variator is actually better than the stock one.

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General Discussion / Re: It's official... I have a scooter issue
« on: December 02, 2013, 03:54:03 PM »
You are not alone.  Two years ago I had four scooters and two motorcycles...

It has been a long hard journey, but with professional help and support from my family I am proud to say I am doing much better.  I currently own one scooter and one motorcycle ;)

It's a disease that you will have for the rest of your  life, and there will always be temptation and the risk of falling off the wagon.  Here are a few tricks I have learned that help.

1. Make riding whenever possible a priority always.  When you are out riding and enjoying a scooter/motorcycle, you are fully absorbed enjoying the moment and not thinking of buying something else.

2.  Buy a different scooter/motorcycle every year or so, but always sell off one of your others first!

I really wished you hadn't mentioned the People 50,  I feel myself slipping again...


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General Discussion / Re: My People 150 vs. Drunk driver in pickup
« on: November 27, 2013, 05:05:28 PM »
Glad you weren't seriously injured,  good job on the quick reactions ;)

Congratulations on the new scooter, the PCH 150 is a real nice ride.

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For Sale / Re: Sold!
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:06:35 PM »
Sold!

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For Sale / Sold!
« on: February 19, 2013, 04:22:32 PM »
I finally decided to bring an end to my SYM ownership.  I'm planning to get a smaller scooter and a 250cc dual sport motorcycle.

This scooter is in near perfect condition with just a hair over 5000 miles.  Top speed 75+ mph and averaging 75 mpg city or highway.  I have changed the oil a total of 7 times (100 miles first change), adjusted the valves 3 times, changed the gear oil 4 times and changed the air filter twice.  The tires are still less than halfway worn and it has been kept inside.  It has the Euro turn signal mod (turn signal stalks removed, amber bulbs in original body integrated turn signal lenses).

Approximately $300 in upgrades including 16 gram Dr. Pulley sliders, stainless steel exhaust with baffle (made in Taiwan), and Napoleon bar end mirrors.

I'm asking $2295 ($1200 under msrp).   Taking into account the $300 in upgrades and dealership fees this is a $1500 - $2000 saving over new.  Located in Sierra Vista, AZ.    SOLD!













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General Discussion / Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« on: February 17, 2013, 05:39:42 AM »
Here's three places that says the Super 8 150 has 10.3 horsepower?

http://sumsunmotor.com/cart/product/detail/site:sumsunmotor-pid:9951-title:KYMCO+Super+8+150

www.kymcousa.com/brochures/KYMCO-OnRoad_2013_Web.pdf

http://www.kymco.com/product/specification.asp?MotorCTID=E9DBBD17-7628-4B30-BADE-5E438E16ED47

That seems reasonable since the Buddy 150 is rated at 10.33 hp, Buddy 125 9.52 hp, and Agility 125 9.3 hp.  All air-cooled with carbs.

The People S200 has about 8% more displacement and about 8% more horsepower than the Super 8 150 (11.1 vs 10.3), that also seems reasonable...

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General Discussion / Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« on: February 16, 2013, 04:06:47 PM »
According to Kymco Taiwan the Super 8 150 has 10.3 hp and it's the 125cc version that has 9.3 hp. 

The Movie 150 has a higher compression ratio, 4-valve head, and a different bore and stroke.  I noticed the Taiwanese specs for the fuel injected version is 13.5 hp.  I wonder if the carb version in the USA managed to produce the same amount, usually (but now always) fuel injection is able to squeeze out a tad bit more power.

My seat of the pants dyno tells me if the carbed version has less hp than the fuel injected one, it's not a significant difference.

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General Discussion / Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« on: February 14, 2013, 04:54:26 PM »
I wouldn't stress too much on water-cooled vs air-cooled.  Kymco air-cooled engines are very well engineered and there are very few (if any) reports on a properly maintained engine overheating even when pushed hard.
Less weight and less complicated, and Kymco still did very well with 13.5 horsepower and 250 lbs. 

I'm approaching 6000 miles on my HD 200, and I was still immediately impressed with the Movie 150.  The power is not quite a match for the HD 200, but it is in the same class, closer than you might think.  Same with the smoothness and ability to handle bumps and rough pavement, even with 12" rims the Movie 150 did quite well.  Suspension, chassis stiffness, and weight distribution play a big role too, there are many very smooth riding maxi scooters with wheels smaller than 16".

But the thing that really made me like the Movie 150 was the way it felt and handled.  The Super 8 has a high mounted gas tank and sits just a little higher than the Movie 150.  With a little wider rubber too, I bet the handling dynamics of the Movie 150 are quite different in spite of some of the similarities with the Super 8 (not to mention 10.3 hp for the Super 8, 13.5 hp for the Movie, 35% more! power!).  I suspect these may be the very reasons the Movie 150 felt so secure on dirt/gravel surfaces even with street tires.

While the Movie 150 is fine for back highways, if you like cruising the interstates, best leave that to your 300i ;)
Even the HD 200 is a little weak for 75 mph speed limits.   I avoid the super slab like the plague, but now and again I've had to put up with it for a few miles to connect smaller highways.  I'm sure the Movie 150 could survive that too if one had no choice ;D

I've owned many motorcycles and scooters, and I prefer the "scooter feel", but without the twitchy or nervous handling some of the smaller scooters have.  SYM did very well with the HD 200 which has a little bit of a motorcycle flavor in a scooter format.   But Kymco gave the Movie 150 more of a lightweight agile and fun feeling, still making sure it was roadworthy with a serious engine and smooth and stable ride.

So if you like more of a small "scooter feel" but need a reasonably capable machine, the Movie 150 is worth a try.  If you want a more powerful machine that is high speed biased and larger, than you can't beat the People GT 300i or the smaller HD 200.  As wonderful as these machines are, they just can't capture that smaller "scooter feel".  It is rare to find a  scooter that can handle both urban and highway riding without losing that scooter like charm and doing both well,  and in my humble opinion I think the Movie 150 will do just that!

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General Discussion / brief Movie 150 test ride!
« on: February 13, 2013, 05:57:11 PM »
The owner of Scoot Over in Tucson offered me a test ride on a shiny new 2013 Movie 150 which I graciously accepted. 

A little previous research on the internet revealed the new Kymco had 13.5 horsepower and weighed 250 lbs, intriguing to say the least.  Pretty wicked tuning for an air cooled 150cc motor with a carb, though it does have a 4-valve head. 

I took a short 7 or 8 minute ride in a residential area behind the shop, by no means enough time or miles to give a detailed review, but it did reveal the basic character and feel of the Movie 150.   

I noticed three things immediately. 

1. Stone cold the scooter started with a very brief stab of the starter button and idled smoothly and quietly.  This scooter is quiet!  Almost inaudible at idle, and a low muted growl at full throttle.  Quiet and also a nice sounding stock tone, not something I would bother to change at all. 

2. The Movie 150 is very quick to 45 mph, I would venture to say as fast as my HD 200 EVO.  It was actually quicker to 10 mph, I'm guessing the fat 12" tires require a lot less torque to get rolling compared to the much larger diameter 16" hoops on the HD 200.  With more torque and 1.7 horsepower more, I'm sure the HD 200 would pull handily ahead after 45 mph all the way to a faster top end.  I would guess the Movie 150 would have the guts to pull somewhere above 65 mph but less than 70.   While not feeling quite as powerful as the HD 200 in the mid-range, the Movie 150 still had good acceleration from 30 to 45 mph.  Unfortunately in a posted 35 mph speed zone, I didn't have the opportunity to test the upper speed ranges.

3.  With a 2 gallon fuel tank under the floor board and the rider sitting a couple of inches lower than the HD 200, the Movie 150 had a much lower center of gravity, feeling a lot lighter in comparison than one would expect 47 lbs less should feel (Movie 150 250 lbs - HD 200 Evo 297 lbs).  This scooter felt nimble and quick handling like my Yamaha C3 (50cc -198 lbs), but not nervous or twitchy.   A nice stable and smooth ride up to the 45 mph speed I was limited to (it's a shame I didn't get the opportunity to go faster!).

I road down a pot hole infested back alley and Movie 150's suspension and 12" wheels seemed to handle the bumps reasonably well, maybe not as smooth as the HD 200, but pretty darn close.  I took a short cut between the back of two shopping centers, carefully riding on some medium size river rock, gravel and loose dirt with a few ruts.  Wow, this was a huge improvement over the HD 200.  The Movie 150 felt sure footed with virtually no squirmy and loose feeling front wheel or apparent lack of traction.  I guess the lower center of gravity and lighter weight combined with a front tire that is  3/4" wider helps a lot. 

Not near enough time to test seat comfort, but the basic shape was similar and it felt  like maybe just a little bit more cushion.  I'm sure the Movie 150 could never match the stability and ease the HD 200 gobbles up pavement two-up at 65 mph.  But it was still competent in the engine department and should be able to hold 60+ mph on level ground while having more than adequate acceleration at low and mid-range speeds.  Throw in a much more confident feeling off the pavement and lighter more tossable handling and the Movie 150 just "feels" more fun than my SYM HD 200 Evo ;D   

But a short test ride won't reveal any weaknesses or shortcomings the Movie 150 might present at higher speeds or on extended trips.  Giving credit to the proven abilities of my HD 200, it has performed flawlessly with reasonable comfort and economy on many 250 - 350 mile days.

I have some concerns with overall comfort or stability on all day long rides, but from what I've experienced so far, I really like the Movie 150 and I'm seriously considering buying one.

Yes, I realize the Kymco Movie 150 was designed to be more of an urban scooter.
But then you are reading the opinion of someone that has taken long trips on a Honda Elite 110, SYM Wolf Classic 150 and even a Yamaha C3!  I not sure everyone shares my view that smaller is just more fun ;)

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People 150 / Re: People 150 two-up touring?
« on: December 18, 2012, 04:49:27 AM »
Hey John, thanks for the link.

Of course I've been doing a lot of research on the People 150, there's plenty of info and reviews out there.

Here is what I've found, even though it doesn't seem to match up with your performance results.

The rated horsepower of a People 150 is 10.2,   Top speed GPS verified seems to be in the low 60's for most people, a few have said high 50's. Top speed is power limited, the engine is not bouncing off of the rev-limiter.  The CVT is well tuned for the torque band, most people saying they can still hold 50 -  55 mph up a reasonable incline or against a moderate headwind.  The engine seems to gain a decent amount of acceleration from Dr. Pulley sliders, air box and exhaust mods, but no more than an extra couple of mph on the top end.  Owners don't seem to be having any overheating issues or engine failures from running higher speeds even in warmer weather, there are a few that run WOT regularly for extended trips with no ill effects.  The very similar engine in the Buddy 125/150 seems to enjoy the same reputation for being indestructible and having good power for an air cooled 150cc.   The Kymco Super 8 is supposed to have the same engine, but it is assembled in China, not Taiwan like the People 150.  For whatever reason it doesn't seem to have as much power and top end as the People 150, higher fuel consumption and when researching the internet it appears to have more problems, even though the Super 8 150 is a newer model.

Two-up touring?   I guess that all depends on your definition of what touring with two riders is.   If it means cruising the interstate at 70+ mph, then no, the People 150 can't get the job done.  If that's what touring meant to us, we would just travel by car and enjoy a lot more wind protection, comfort and convenience.   We like to see the world, smell and feel the air, take in every detail, not rush by with a hurried glance.

Another test today on the HD 200, a low speed 95 mile run down two-lane highways.  We picked a path that we knew would have some traffic, including the usual impatient drivers traveling well over the posted speed limit.   The test was to limit top speed to 50 mph, no matter what came up behind us!  And that's what we did, traveling between 40 and 50 mph the whole way.  Twice when traveling downhill with the wind at our backs, we crept up to 53 - 54 mph, but as soon as I noticed we slowed back down to 50.  On normal inclines we slowed down to 45 mph, on a few steeper hills combined with a slight headwind, down to 40 mph.  A few more cars passed us than when we travel at 60+ mph, but it didn't seem to be a problem or feel unsafe.  As a matter of fact, vehicles seemed to have a much easier time passing us when we were traveling 45 - 50 mph, spending much less time waiting behind us than when we cruised at 60 - 65 mph.

We have ridden these curvy and scenic roads through both mountain and desert scenery several times previously.  But this time we noticed stuff we just didn't see before!  While it took us two hours vs an hour and a half (riding time, stops not included) we arrived feeling more fresh than usual,  That's right, I guess less wind, less noise, and a more relaxing speed where definitely less stressful than traveling at higher speeds.  I haven't had such a relaxing and satisfying ride in recent memory.   It reminds me of good times on a 50cc scooter cruising through less traveled streets in the city, only better. 

My wife and I are older, and not in a hurry on our trips.  This kind of touring probably isn't for everybody, but trust me, everyone should try it at least once ;)

Bottom line, as soon as I find a good deal on a People 150 (new or used) I'm gonna get it, and then put a lot of miles on it ;D






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People 150 / People 150 two-up touring?
« on: December 13, 2012, 07:21:38 AM »
We ride a SYM HD 200 EVO and it does everything we need it to, and more.  Just because it can, we cruise 60 - 65 mph on two lane highways covering 250 miles or more on day trips.  We actually prefer riding around 50 mph, but I don't want to be a traffic obstacle, so we hold the legal speed limit.  There hasn't been a long hill or grade that we couldn't hold at least 55 mph on.  We notice that even when maintaining the speed limit, cars will pass anyway, especially on lonely two lane highways in the middle of nowhere.

The last couple of times we went riding, I tried a little experiment.  I cut down our speed on any given stretch 10 -12 mph, and kept the throttle below 3/4.   Our max cruising speed was 50 - 55 mph, and on some long inclines or against a good headwind, we slowed down to 45 - 50 mph.  To our surprise, no more cars than usual passed us, and we thoroughly enjoyed the slower pace.

While I love the HD 200, I don't like the way SYM/Alliance does business.  The nearest dealer is almost 200 miles away in Phoenix, and Tucson which is 70 miles away doesn't even have a SYM dealer anymore.  You can't order SYM parts online, Alliance Powersports only distributes parts directly to a SYM dealer.  The SYM HD 200 uses a highly modified GY6 engine, 4-valve, liquid cooled, and a cermanic coated cylinder, aftermarket parts are pretty much non-existent.  I do all of my own maintenance and repairs, and due to the lack of parts availability and dealers, I just don't really want to own a SYM anymore.

On the other hand, the Kymco People 150 is more of a standard GY6, and I see many options for ordering parts both OEM and aftermarket.  The GY6  has been in production for quite a few years from both Taiwanese and Japanese manufacturers (Chinese doesn't count!).  So even though  2012 is the last year for the  Kymco People 150, Genuine and a few others continue to offer quality GY6 based machines, meaning both stock and performance parts should be readily accessible for quite some time into the future.

My wife and I weigh 265 lbs combined, and we travel light with maybe 10 lbs of tools and gear.  We previously owned a Honda Elite 110, and after a few modifications it would top out at 57 mph, cruising 50 - 55 mph was reasonable with the engine being water cooled.  We weren't too unhappy with the power (maybe wanting a little more), but the small wheels made for a very nervous highway ride, and the seat was pretty uncomfortable after an hour or two.  We found that 16" wheels delivered a very smooth ride, and the larger/softer seat on the HD 200 was a relief.

I'm hoping to find a compromise with the People 150, just not sure if it is what we need or not.  If I bought one I would do my usual mods:

Short windscreen
complete smog device/canister and PAIR removal.
Dr. Pulley sliders
minor venting of the CVT cover
Aftermarket exhaust to eliminate the weight of the heavy catalyst equipped stock muffler
mild air box mods, usually just the small snorkel removal or enlarging a very small inlet
re-jet and fine tune the carb.

I am very meticulous about maintenance, changing the engine oil and gear oil often, keeping the air filter clean, checking the tire pressures before every ride, keeping a fresh spark plug in, adjusting the valves at or before the recommended intervals, adding seafoam occasionally to the fuel tank, making sure the carb jets are clean and the float level is correct, checking and servicing the clutch, variator and belt and of course keeping the engine and scooter spotless among other things.

Would I be expecting too much of the People 150 according to the following criteria?

extended 55 mph cruising two-up (265 lbs) on level ground with no headwind
maintaining 45 mph on long grades (nothing radically steep) or against a stiff headwind
holding WOT to keep up with traffic flow for a few minutes or miles (to keep impatient cars from running us down)
not worrying about overheating issues at higher speeds on hot days (100 degrees+)

We really love the look of the People 150, it's gets marginally better gas mileage than the HD 200, and most importantly I feel confident we can find parts for it and keep it in top notch running condition for a long, long time.   Being more than 50 lbs lighter than the HD 200 is a significant benefit too, sometimes the HD 200 can feel heavy.

I have an almost brand new 2012 SYM Wolf Classic motorcycle that only has 900 miles on it.  Thankfully that one is a Honda CB125 clone and there are some part options for it.  I never rode it much and am trying to sell it, but there hasn't been any takers so far.  I was thinking if someone had a People 150 a couple of years old without too many miles and still in good shape, I could offer a straight across trade and test the People 150's capabilities without actually spending any extra money.

But that's probably just wishful thinking...  I would really like to hear some opinions on the People 150 in regards to touring ability.   If it sounds favorable, I will sell off the HD 200 cheap and buy a new Kymco.





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