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People 50 / Re: Top box
« on: July 15, 2019, 01:04:23 AM »
So I did more research
Very little info is available for People S 50 4t  in terms of Top boxes
However turns out that the S 50 has same luggage rack as S 200 and S 250
I found that owners of these bikes typically had Top Boxes ranging in size from 30-40L
So I think I am going to get this:

  https://www.cyclegear.com/accessories/givi-e370-monolock-topcase?gclid=Cj0KCQjwpavpBRDQARIsAPfTwiypMVUCBLcyajhQU0yvjpWxfUh-O9G3PIy_Vo_sthLewi-HRpcafBcaApsDEALw_wcB

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People 50 / Top box
« on: July 13, 2019, 09:05:55 PM »
Is there a specific top box for the people s 50 4t   2007?

What is the largest and best to buy?

Thanks Bll

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People 50 / Rear fender assembly peoples s50 4t
« on: July 28, 2013, 10:50:06 PM »
I have a peoples s50 4T scooter.  Long story but when I took it to the repair shop they did not re-install the rear fender after doing a large motor job.  I was given the parts and told a lay person could do it.  I was able to figure out where 2 of the three mount screws go but not the third.  I figured out the front right and the left rear but not the left front which uses a small bracket.   I could not find any pictures of how it goes.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks bill

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: March 16, 2013, 11:32:01 PM »
This is a big update on my situation.   In Feb 2012 I brought my Kymco to my dealer in town and he literally said he could not fix the engine issue.   Kymco (the company) was super helpful and they sent him parts and advise.   My town guy still could ot fix it.  Month after month I went into his store.  My parts were scattered throughout.  Finally Kymco could not deal with him anymore and they sent my bike to another dealer the next town over.   He was able to fix my engine but when I got the bike back there were many small pieces missing.  I sent Kymco a picture and they noticed the rear fender was missing and sent me a new one ( Part number 80100-LCD2-E00).   I could call them on Monday but I would love to fix tomorrow but I can not figure what it attaches to.  I definitely need pictures.   

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 16, 2012, 10:31:02 PM »
how do I send a pm to you

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 08, 2012, 02:35:13 AM »
never crashed, more like a stupid spill a few weeks before anything seemed wrong,

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 07, 2012, 02:20:03 PM »
The shop owner did ask me if I was bringing in the bike or just engine.  I told him bike but if it is a really easy job to separate the engine, I guess I could ask the bike shop where it is know to help me.  Then I would not have to hire a tow truck (or whatever truck) from the repair shop.  The negative would be that I would have to go pick up the engine and drive it back to where the frame is as oppossed to just driving the bike home from the second repair shop.  I do not know if I am under warranty or not.  I think that kymco is helping me because they stand behind their product and this "injury" should not have occurred at anytime under usual circumstances.

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 07, 2012, 12:21:37 PM »
These are great photos:  I know the proper fix is what you say.  I contacted kymco again and asked them to consider giving me a "factory spec" repair.  My contact is Joe V.P. of operations.  He really seems like a stand up person.  I sent him my concerns (or should I say the forum participants concerns) about the proposed repair.  He is running those by the tech department.  I will let you know how it goes.  One local shop said they could split a motor and replace a crankshaft if 4 hours time.  Does this sound possible with all the know how and correct tools?  By the way the parts I will be needing  are 1) crankshaft 2) drive plate 3) pinion starter 4) gasket

bill

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 06, 2012, 03:58:14 AM »
so I am in a black hole, unexplored territory!  yup I is!

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 06, 2012, 01:43:34 AM »
Quote from: Areomyst on February 06, 2012, 01:37:36 AM
Runout limit is how far "out of round" or "off center" your crank can be.  It does not have to do with the damage on the crankshaft, I was (albeit dramatically) trying to make a point.

Is my crank changing positions?  I thought just the plate was being shifted out

I shouldn't get so worked up about it.  I'm sure they're all trying to do what they can to help you, I just don't feel like some shims and a couple of minimum parts is enough.

~Josh

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 06, 2012, 01:30:28 AM »
Quote from: Areomyst on February 06, 2012, 01:02:28 AM
Yes, the Kymco engine is by far better.  The parts look the same in many cases between the Kymco and the China engines, but believe me, they are VERY different.  

Point well taken

Shimming the variator out will indeed cause the belt to run at a slant.

I do not like this slant business.  I will speak to kymco again about this


 The misalignment isn't the end of the world, the CVT will still work, but if it was my own new scooter, I wouldn't really want to settle with having a goobered crankshaft and a belt that's misaligned.  I used to work for a Kymco dealership.  The quality, longevity, parts support, and value pricing is what ultimately led me to buying a Kymco.  

Since then, I've rebuilt a LOT of Kymco engines, but not one of those rebuilds was due to KYMCO's quality...  Most often, it was due to negligence.  

I take really good care of the bike with periodic check ups

I intend no disrespect towards any involved parties, but I've got to be blunt.  If you did not loosen that variator nut at any point in the bike's life, then there is absolutely no reason that you should be having to deal with this.  

That was the first question the Kymco man asked. Did I mod it.  The answer is a big no. I did not mod this nor did anyone else ever.

The crankshaft should be replaced to perform the repair correctly.  In the service manual for that bike it clearly states that the runout limit for the crankshaft is .10mm.  That is about as much play as the thickness of a piece of notebook paper.  If .10mm is unacceptable, then why is this:

I am not sure I understand the line "runout limit for the crankshaft is .1 mm.  What is the runout limit?




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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 06, 2012, 01:07:53 AM »
Quote from: zombie on February 06, 2012, 12:48:16 AM
Look at the engine case . It will have an ID plate stamped into it in the middle of the cvt case, bottom. If it is QMB_M 139 or any thing close to that they are the exact same engine. If yours is a ky ??? or ka or anything like that you can swap the cvt covers, and all else is the same. I forget what the Kymco engine codes are but I think you get it. By the way I wasn't meaning to imply the place you are dealing w/ is a "used car lot" or a evil /mechanic?. Just meant shiming is sort'a Rigging.

I know you were not implying anything...I just took the opportunity to plug the guy because he did not run from the situation.

Could I suppose weld/re-shape the bad spot? Maybe even use a square dowel like a "key". Better than shimming cause the belt will be skewed,

This is my fear:  skewing:  is this a given or a possible?  Welding was discussed but there was concern the plate might not be 100% even or balanced.  are you suggesting we take the stripped part of the shaft which now looks like a round dowel and file it to be square and then make the hole in the face plate square and weld it?
and wear/perform poorly. JMHO

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:36:26 AM »
Quote from: Areomyst on February 05, 2012, 10:37:19 PM
No need to apologize!  Terminology on these things tends to vary a bit anyway, so it can be confusing

When you pull the CVT cover off of the engine to look at the belt, etc, the front pulley is called the variator, and the pulley in the back (closer to the wheel) is the torque driver.  The torque driver has the clutch attached to it.  

Anyway, if you're looking at the assembled transmission, a nut holds the following parts to the crankshaft, in this order:
1 Nut
2 Washer
3 Kickstarter "ratchet"
4 Plastic CVT cooling fan
5 Drive Face (The drive face acts as a pulley half, as well as a means of the starter bendix to turn the engine over - thus the teeth around the outside of the part)
6 Drive boss (the variator pulley slides open and closed on this boss)
7 Variator Pulley (some OEM's call it the Movable Drive Face... Variator is more common)
8 Roller weights (they go "inside" the variator basically)
9 Drive Plate (also called drive ramp, or ramp plate sometimes)
10 Variator Slides - there are 3 of these that go between the drive plate and the variator.  They're basically little V-shaped plastic dampeners.

~Josh

Thanks:  Its good to know vocabulary.    Now that I understand the situation better my question would be this.  If the starter and drive plate is shimmied outward....and the belt of course moves out also ie the front and rear of belt.......does the rear of the belt also move outward or will it run a little on the slant.

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:05:03 AM »
Quote from: zombie on February 05, 2012, 10:27:08 PM
J. You are the best! Here is a utube vid on how easy the cvt work is. MonsterGY6.com Scooter Transmission upgrade Aero is referring to spacing behind the variator assembly.
understand now thanks

I do agree this is NOT a good fix but something you would expect from a used car dealer.
I know I know.  The dealer is actually a decent person who quite honestly told me replacing a crankshaft was something he never did before.  He does minor-mod repairs.  The major emphasis of his business is high end bicycles and he has a few kymcos on his floor he sells or rents.   

I would pursue Kymco's offer to replace the crank (if I read right) That is the correct fix.
Unfortunately they did not feel crank replacement was necessary.  However if the above fix has issues (an I want to know what to look out for), I am guessing they will step to plate.

 OR as I showed you the entire engine w/ carb is only 270.00 delivered. This one I think should be on Kymcooooo.   (can you tell me more about this engine.  How does one compare the two.  Does this mean I have to change the look of my engine also.  The kymco has a nice aluminum engine cover and a sleek look to match the cycle .  The one in photo looked chrome and looked nice but kind of ordinary.  I should not worry about cosmetics but I do not want a mismatch either.

When the problem occurred I asked a few repair shops if they would do an engine substitution for me.  Most places wanted me to tow the bike in.  One person was helpful over the phone but je insinuated to me that the kymco engine was a better engine and that I should do the big repair.
Happy little Ps. I contacted (email) Kymco Global looking for an Asian tail light lens in clear. They told me to contact Kymco Global...??? (at the same email address...???)

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People 50 / Re: loose black line, fall, engine noise
« on: February 05, 2012, 09:03:35 PM »
Josh:  I understood most of this pretty well except for the following line  "I think the shims should go behind the drive plate (all the way in the back of the variator pulley) because if you put them between the drive boss and the drive plate, it will open the variator pulleys too much, and the belt will ride on the drive boss instead of between the pulley halves."

I guess I do not understand the anatomy ie drive boss, drive plate, variator pully and pulley halves.

Thanks:  Sorry for the learning curve

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