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Agility 50 / Re: 72cc BBK
« on: March 29, 2013, 09:38:36 AM »
Compression ratio only determines the maximum gas pressure that results when the piston reaches top dead center. (disclaimer : for a certain volumetric efficiency that is, which is rpm and engine dependent, probably close to 100% at low rpms for our engines, and also excluding the effect of rising gas temperature by compression itself, which will be less at extremely low rpms, and comparable in effect between a 50 and an 85cc)...

The area of the top of the piston, together with this pressure, determines the force needed to turn over the crankshaft towards and over that point...

Since an 85cc's piston has an area that is larger by a factor 1.7 than that of a 50cc (if it's really an 85cc), it's easy to see why an 85cc with a compression ratio of 9:1 will be harder to crank than a 50cc with a compression ratio of 11:1...

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Agility 50 / Re: 72cc BBK
« on: March 20, 2013, 07:49:47 PM »
The NCY 85cc starts easier than the 72cc did, the static compression ratio of cylinder and head appears to be lower for the 85cc..

Of course your crankshaft will wear quicker than with a 50cc, but it won't fail in a few miles, if all else is right...

I've been told by mechanics at different shops that a lot of the crankshaft failures they see in these Kymco engines occur with just the stock cylinder, and most failures can be traced back to oil pump failures or low oil levels in the past anyway...

And, if you really worry about durability, you shouldn't own a motorized vehicle I guess - they all tend to break expensive parts at the time your bank account is empty :-)

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Agility 50 / Re: 72cc BBK
« on: March 19, 2013, 06:22:33 PM »

Although I tend to trust what the R70 guys say, I wouldn't go cheap on things like this myself... It's about my daily transport, so I prefer to spend some extra cash, for that warm and fuzzy feel (or is it an illusion ?) of buying quality stuff...

You'll need heavier weights because the increased torque will pull the variator into a lower ratio, increasing rpm beyond the powerband or into the revlimiter. So it's not meant to lower rpm compared to a 50cc, instead, it's needed to keep rpm in its useful range...

If you want to increase the top speed, you'll need to do the usual variator derestriction (or install the Overdrive 2), and after that, you can also derestrict the CDI if you prefer speed over reliability - you can search this forum for plenty of advice on this...


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Agility 50 / Re: 72cc BBK
« on: March 19, 2013, 05:10:17 PM »

With my 2010 Agility, the rocker arm assembly was just fine as it was... Even if you need an alternative one, the cost is almost nothing, especially compared to what you will spend over the next few years, now you've started modding...

Just like with the 72cc, the only "mandatory" changes are a larger main jet and heavier roller weights in the variator.

The best way to go about this, in my experience, is to only read the information on the Revolution70 website, and the manual they ship with the cylinder kits. These guys really know their stuff....

The world wide interweb, on the other hand, is full of stories about completely different parts and engines - and also full of morons who don't know or understand anything :-)

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Agility 50 / Re: 72cc BBK
« on: March 19, 2013, 03:33:38 PM »
Trust the guy at R70, he's always right.

My 72cc +T2 setup was nice, but I'm running the NCY 85cc + head together with the T2 now - and that is sooo much better that I wish I bought this immediately...

Instead of the Overdrive 2, I would go for the torquedrive (with straight guide tracks) from the same shop, and some 8,5 gram rollers for your stock variator, this gives a very smooth setup, with almost constant rpm and performance...

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Agility 50 / Re: 72cc BBK
« on: March 16, 2013, 09:19:38 AM »
Only changing the cylinder, camshaft and main jet is fine.
Main jet should be 2..4 sizes up from 50cc, mine was running fine with 86..88 (before I modded the filter box)...

Consumption will increase according to how much of the extra power you really use. Mine went from 1L/43km to 1L/35km..

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Agility 50 / Re: Stock gears
« on: January 09, 2013, 07:18:52 AM »
The dutch 4T gurus from http://www.revolution70.nl sell a +10% gear kit for the 10" (short case) Kymco engine.
Their advice is : do not buy this kit unless your setup is so powerful that it pulls straight to 9000rpm all the way every time...

These guys know what they're talking about, trust me - and I don't think your tiny 80cc (which is probably actually a 72cc with stock carb and camshaft) fits their definition of powerful... Heck, even my 85cc with racing head and T2 camshaft won't go all the way to the top in every situation, a +10% kit would only be a waste of low end acceleration on such a setup...


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Kymco News / Re: Easyparts has left the building.... (2)
« on: January 01, 2013, 07:45:52 PM »

Exactly the kind of shop that I was looking for !

Thanks   :)

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Eye Candy | Videos and Pics / Re: Cool Scooters!
« on: December 22, 2012, 02:37:30 PM »

Great, a scooter for hemorrhoid sufferers... ;D

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Agility 50 / Re: keihin pe20
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:13:18 AM »

The PE20 is not a CV carb, so I would expect them to be easier to tune indeed.
Also, slide carbs are _said_ to have a quicker throttle response than CV carbs...

In my experience, the tiny difference in throttle response time (if any) can only be relevant for manual shifty bikes, where you have to open/close the throttle lots of times to get somewhere, not for our "just twist and go" automatics...

And, I also think that the advantages of a CV carb are worth the extra bit of effort for learning how to tune and maintain them. To be honest, I think that people who can't get a CV carb setup right would also struggle with a regular slide carb, unless they're just lucky... The simpler construction of a slide carb increases chances of getting it right accidentally, I think that's one of the reasons they're so popular...

Another thing to consider is the way the throttle cable is installed... It comes out of the top of the carb, and since it can only bend so tight and you need to allow for some headroom because of the rear shock compressing, you'd probably better forget about using the underseat storage for anything else than the throttle cable with these carbs...

Personally, I would look for a 20mm CV carb instead...

Just my thoughts...


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Agility 50 / Re: winter/all-weather tires
« on: December 20, 2012, 09:34:51 AM »
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its all his fault, everything is.

+1

His posts about blown air induction made me sign up for this forum, because I couldn't view the pictures as a non-member back then... Since then, everything has gone downhill over here....





( ;D)

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Agility 50 / Re: winter/all-weather tires
« on: December 18, 2012, 04:04:30 PM »

I've noticed no significant difference in handling when I went from a 90/90-10 to a 100/90-10 on the front wheel of my 10" Agility....

But then again, the 10" has always been a nervous unguided missile anyway, one of the reasons I bought a 12" as well...  ;D

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Agility 50 / Re: Carb Problems
« on: December 18, 2012, 12:47:49 PM »

Even without a revlimiter the power will drop above 7500rpm (with stock camshaft that is)...

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Agility 50 / Re: winter/all-weather tires
« on: December 18, 2012, 12:43:11 PM »
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Speedo should be exactly the same since the height stays the same, only width changes

The indicated hight of a tyre is a percentage of its width - it's relative, not absolute...

Therefore a 130/70-12 will have a slightly larger diameter than a 120/70-12...

You'll probably need about 7mm of extra headroom for a 130/70-12.. But since tyre sizes aren't as exact as one would expect, and you're changing the shape of the tyre by putting it on a narrower rim, there's only one way to find out...  ;D

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Agility 50 / Re: Carb Problems
« on: December 18, 2012, 06:52:24 AM »

The loss of top end might also be caused by running too far into the revlimiter, that costs a lot of power...

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