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LIKE 200i / Like 200i as an external battery charger
« on: May 26, 2024, 05:02:47 PM »
I want to use the KYMCO scooter to charge an external scooter battery.  With the external battery, I could use an inverter to power small 110 VAC devices in an emergency. My thought was to turn off the headlight during the charging operation to lighten the load on the alternator.  (There is no ON/OFF switch for the headlamp.) Once removed, I expected either the 10 A or 15 A to kill the headlight or all of the lights while the remaining fuse would run the engine.  Unfortunately, what I found was that removal of the 10 A fuse killed everything.  Then, to my astonishment, I found out that removal of only the 15 A fuse also killed everything except, I believe, the fuel pump.  My plan is ruined!

I could put a kill switch in the glove compartment or under the seat, but that involves the disassembly of plexiglass panels and finding the appropriate wire in a wiring harness.  I would be satisfied with turning off only the front headlight and letting the other lights function.

In my old age, I seem to have forgotten the days when I traced electrons through a heavy fixed military radar set in the Air Force.

During the charge operation with a fully charged scooter battery and a discharged external battery, I plan to attach the batteries together without running the scooter.  After waiting some time for the two batteries to equalize, I would start the scooter and allow both batteries to be recharged. 

Does anyone know why removing either of the two fuses, essentially kills all electrical functions?  And, does anyone have a suggestion on how they would proceed with this project?  Thanks.

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LIKE 200i / Valve stems for a Like 200i tire
« on: March 05, 2022, 04:02:25 AM »
It is finally time to replace my OEM Kenda tires with new Amazon-purchased Michelin City Grip 2s.  From past posts, a new 90-degree tire stem in the rear is something worth having to make it easier to check/add air to the tires.  (The front tire already has the 90-degree stem.)  The KYMCO dealer says this $13 stem requires a special tool so as to not damage the plastic stem during installation.  Questions:
1.  Has anyone heard of this potential installation problem?  (The work will be done by a local Honda dealer but they prefer I buy the stem from KYMCO to be sure it is the correct one.)
2.  Should both front and rear stems be replaced as is done with automobile tires?  Or can the front one be reused?
3.  Should I reject the urge to add an Armor-All-like product to the tires before they are installed on the wheels?  (I want that first turn to be a pleasant one and not land me on the pavement.)
Thanks.

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LIKE 200i / Like 200i air filter mount
« on: June 07, 2021, 01:04:40 AM »
The other day I felt it was time to purchase a new filter for my scooter.  I noticed that a screw was missing from the filter mount.  The bolt appears to be an M5 X 1.50 x 20.  However, as seen from the attached picture, the thread size is not 1.50.  In fact, it doesn't match any common size thread.  Nor does it appear to have a consistent thread pattern.  I can only guess that it is some type of a self-taping screw.  I tried to order the part from the KYMCO dealer but the parts person said KYMCO adds a $20 handling fee to a $2 part.  After being directed to a local Lowe's store, I confirmed that they had nothing that would be identical.  (As a side note, the KYMCO dealer didn't seem to believe me that all scooter parts are metric with the possible exception of the mirror mounts.)

Comments?  As is sometimes the case, one missing screw will not let the air filter fall off.  Oh, well, . . .

By the way, the new $29.81 air filter comes with a P/N 17211-LGR5-E10 but doesn't come with a pre-filter (as does the OEM unit) and the parts listing doesn't show an available pre-filter.

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LIKE 200i / Like 200i trans lube drain/fill plug gaskets
« on: July 14, 2020, 02:17:37 PM »
I've been looking for the equivalent Toyota drain plug gasket for the drain/fill gear lube plugs.  I found and bought 50 "crunch" gaskets with an 8 mm interior (hole) diameter.  They are manufactured by Uxcell and are sold by Amazon for $8.99.  They don't appear to be special in any way but they will give an opportunity to use  two fresh gaskets each time I replace the 75W-90 gear lube.
 

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LIKE 200i / 12 VDC socket replacement in the glove compartment
« on: June 03, 2020, 02:34:00 AM »
I've been putting this project off for years after learning in 2015 that the stock 200i 12 V socket has a weak fuse, low grade wiring and it is difficult to replace the fuse.  The project went just like all my projects  . . . all down hill!  By the time that the front cover had to be separated into two pieces I was ready to give up.  The silicone spray, "butter" knife trick, prying and tugging all failed me.  I hadn't broken anything, yet!  After a little meditation I recalled that the real objective was to snake two 12 gauge wires from the glove compartment area to the battery box.  The inside of the glove box already has two plastic cover panels.  So instead of mounting the new socket behind the glove box, I installed it in the glove box.  I also installed a new fuse and fuse holding in the glove box so that I have easy access if the fuse ever needs to be replaced.  The twin USB ports on the low voltage plug gives me the option of powering or charging two devices at a time.

The moral of the story:  Consider seriously what your wife says when she says leave the scooter alone.  The GPS can't be read in the daylight especially when wearing sunglasses.  And the smartphone is only checked occasionally but I normally forget to bring it.  With a 5 amp fuse, there is no limit as to how many devices I could fry before the fuse blows.  But I certainly won't spend more money to buy to lower amperage fuse! 

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LIKE 200i / Quick reference list of Like 200i light bulbs
« on: February 09, 2020, 01:50:59 AM »
Has anyone attempted to compile a list of the common names for the various types of bulbs used in the factory Like 200i?  My Cyclepedia Service Manual lists bulbs such as "Winker 12V 10W" or a "License light 12V 5W."  It would be great to know that the stock directional signal bulb is a GE # 11609 or a license plate light is a # 194.  The KYMCO dealer suggests  the "remove and compare" method.  Maybe I'm getting lazy in my old age but perhaps one of your have taken your own notes at one time or another.  Thanks.

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LIKE 200i / Max Vehicle Capacity of the Like 200i
« on: March 06, 2017, 08:24:27 PM »
One topic I haven’t seen discussed is the maximum vehicle capacity for the Like 200i.  As a previous technical writer I often find inconsistencies in the owner’s manual and in maintenance manuals.  The following is from an e-mail I sent to KYMCO last October:
“I own a 2015 Like 200i and I found a discrepancy in the Owner's Manual, T200-KA40AA-US-A5, revised June 2012.  On page 5, "Load Limits & Loading Guidelines," the maximum weight capacity of the scooter is listed as 330 pounds.  However, on page 51, "Specifications," the maximum weight capacity is shown to be 358 pounds.  On a relatively small vehicle such as the Like 200i, a 28 pound discrepancy could be significant.  While I am confident that I am safe riding the Like solo, when traveling with a passenger, my passenger and I could be dangerously close or even exceeding the maximum weight capacity.  Please let me know which of the two listed maximum weight capacity specifications is correct.  Also, is there a newer version available of the 2015 Owner's Manual than the June 2012 copy which came with the scooter?”

Here is the response on October 24, 2016:  “The max. weight capacity on the Like 200i is 358lbs.”
Travis W. Stone
Technical Department Manager
KYMCO USA, INC.
Desk    844-816-6648
 tstone@kymcousa.com
www.kymcousa.com

I recall the days when my 6’ 6” roommate in college and I used to return from the grocery store on my Honda S90 motorcycle.  Boy was it overweight!   And the pictures and videos one sees with 2 or 3 riders on a scooter carrying all sorts of belongings, makes a person wonder about their safety.

Increasing the tire pressure is a good way to minimize heat build-up in the tires.  (It also increases the possibility of tire damage when hitting pot holes.)  But here, too, there are inconsistencies:  My owner’s manual says the  pressure (cold) for the front is 25 psi (rider only or rider & passenger) and the rear is 29 psi (rider only) or 32 psi (rider & passenger) with a maximum of 35 psi in either tire at any time.  But the sidewall of the Kenda says the max load is 494 lbs @ 40 psi for the front tire and the max load  is  536 lbs @ 40 psi for the rear tire.  The recommended manufacturer’s tire pressure for most cars and trucks is generally far lower than what is on the sidewall of a tire.  But people with RV trailers will generally fill the tires to the maximum of the tire.

Some scooter riders may play with the rear suspension settings but that doesn’t really  improve the safe driving characteristics of bikes.  What are your thoughts when carrying a passenger?  Thanks.

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LIKE 200i / One more look at the valve adjustment specification
« on: February 21, 2017, 04:29:37 PM »
Hi:  I noticed a Vehicle Emission Control Information on my Like 200i (see attached pix).  Notice the spec for the valve adjustment which is 0.06 +/- .02 mm.  Since my maintenance manual says 0.1 mm and this is what most forum member use, I sent the following e-mail to Cyclepedia and received a response:

"I own the Cyclepedia Service Manual for the KYMCO Like 200i. Page 84 states that the cold valve clearance spec is 0.10 mm for both the intact and exhaust valves.  However, a label affixed to my 2015 scooter (see attached) lists 0.06 mm plus/minus 0.02 mm.  Since the valve setting is critical to the operation of the engine and its lifespan, it's important to get this right!  The spec used by members of the Like 200i forum is 0.10 mm.  Some members say the exhaust valve should be slightly greater than the intake.  Can you verify this specification?"

"Secondly, and not as critical: Page 31 of the Cyclepedia Manual says the octane of gasoline should be 92 or 95.  However, my KYMCO Owner's Manual (page 15) says 91 and the label (see attached) says 87. Please Clarify.  Thanks for your assistance." 

Their reply:  "We will confirm this with Kymco and update the manual accordingly but I have to think the sticker on your vehicle is accurate.  I always go with the manufacture's instructions when adjusting valves so if the clearance is the same for intake and exhaust then that is how I set the valves.  Some engines do give different specs for intake and exhaust and some are the same, If they give a range then I set the valves in the middle of the range.  As for the fuel octane I would think the sticker is accurate as well, 87 octane should be fine."  Greg Gardner, Cyclepedia Press LLC  http://www.cyclepedia.com  828-645-0017

After contacting KYMCO, Cyclepedia confirmed that the Emission sticker is correct.  I'm not suggesting that any of you waiver from the 0.1 mm specification but I would be interested in your feedback.

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LIKE 200i / Issues from first DIY Tune Up
« on: October 06, 2016, 03:26:10 AM »
First I adjusted the valves.  Using the silicone spray and "butter knife" I had no trouble removing the plastic body cover.  The Youtube videos and Cyclepedia manual says the valve spec is 0.10 mm.  The intake valve was adjusted to 0.10 mm and the exhaust valve was adjusted to 0.13 mm.  However, I seem to remember a spec range of 0.10 to 0.20 mm.  Does anyone recall seeing this range?  If so, the target setting should probably be 0.15 mm.  Right?

The OEM NGK spark plug was replaced with the NGK Iridium plug.  Neither plugs had lock washers.  Later, reading my notes, I recalled that Stig used the Toyota "crunch" washer 90430-12031 on the spark plug.  Is this a minor oversight or major screw-up?

The oil drain plug with screen was replaced with the Dimple (super) Magnet plug with screen.  The president of Dimple (http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/) has been able to sell the plug he engineered for my Like to a parts vendor in the orient.  I also got a free gauge to check the length and thread pitch of any metric bolt.  I'll take a picture of the plug the next time I change the oil.  I installed the Toyota "crunch" washer to the second drain plug.  The oil was replaced with a synthetic scooter motor oil.

The trans gear lube was replaced with a synthetic gear lube.  A previous posting mentioned not to mix the drain and the fill plugs but mine were identical in size (neither had lock washers).  The Toyota 90430-12031 washers were too big to use.  Stig:  Do you have another part number for a smaller Toyota washer?  I will probably buy a Dimple Magnet plug for the drain plug sometime in the future.  Again, I'll check how many particles it collects.

I was happy to try out the scooter.  But it seemed like I had forgotten how to ride it!  The front wobbled back and forth.   And I had trouble going straight ahead.   Has anyone had trouble riding after a long period of no riding?  The problem could have been an underinflated front tire.  My two Consumers Reports, highly rated, Accutire MS-4021B Digital Tire Pressure Gauges and a Slime digital tire gauge all failed to illuminate at the gas station.  Back home I tested the batteries and they all checked out.  I threw the Slime away.  This morning I tried the Accutire gauges again and they still did not work on the scooter but they did work on my truck.  It seems that the valve in the scooter tire stem is a little more recessed than in a car or truck tire.  Has anyone else experienced this?  I dug out the Slime gauge pieces from the trash bin, cleaned the coffee grounds off of  the pieces and put them on a paper towel to dry!  I understand that the Accutire MS-4710B (5 - 99 psi) or RA60X (5 - 60 psi) Motorcycle Air Gauges are good.  Life is good (if the weather holds out).


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LIKE 200i / Magnetic Oil Drain Plug
« on: June 10, 2016, 07:28:05 PM »
Sad to say that my scooter might sit till this fall before I get to ride it.  I'm visiting grandkids in London, England.  My 2-hour "free" time in the evenings is spent on reading this forum and the Cyclepedia Service Manual.  The manual says that the left side oil drain plug is an M12 X 1.25.  I assume the 1.25 is in centimeters.  I want to order a magnetic oil drain plug and there seems to be several sources with quality products.  I also hope to buy the Toyota Teflon washers, P/N 90430-12031.  Since I haven't heard anyone talk about a magnetic drain plug in the past, are any of you aware of anything I need to be concerned about?

There are thousands of scooters running around London.  Many are Vepas; I haven't seen a KYMCO yet although there is a dealer less than 2 miles from me.  Their ad talks about the 125 cc Like.  If any of you are in London, let me know.

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Recently I had my first maintenance performed by the dealer.  The oil was only $5.99 but for 6.4 oz of gear lube, I was charged $8.99!  He also changed me $3.00 for a new CR7HSA spark plug with only 182 miles on the odometer.  Does anyone know if this is common practice?  I was also charged $5.10 for shop supplies.  I wondered what that included after checking the bill once I got home.  The invoice stated that they replaced the oil filter and inspected the cooling system.  But that must have been a part of a “canned” invoice.  The hourly rate was $85.00 and the total bill was $108.08 before state sales tax.
Is this is line with what others have paid for their first trip to dealer service?  I can’t think of anything that I will not be able to perform myself in the future.  Perhaps I will purchase a diagnostic set at some point.

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