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Scooters - 50cc => Like 50 2T => Topic started by: ParaIndiana on August 25, 2012, 03:07:34 AM
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I've been working on this project for a while. I figured I'd share some pics, and maybe some of my experiences. Some good, some not so much.
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Nuyce!
How do you like the ZXR?
Can't wait to hear what's been done!
Welcome to the Forum ;D
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I guess I should list all the mods. But first on the ZXR... It sounds great and came with plenty of hardware to make it a breeze to install, but I think I may look for something else. It seems to make power at a bit higher RPM than I would like. I have an Athena 70cc BBK on its way, so I'll wait to see how it works with that kit before I decide.
My list of mods:
Naraku V.2 sport 70cc BBK
LeoVince ZX-R pipe
NGK iridium spark plug BR8HIX
Malossi PHBG 19mm Carb; 90 main
Stage 6 manual choke cable
Naraku sport variator with 44g of weight
Polini torque spring; Blue 15%
Stage6 Racing Clutch MKII
Malossi Kevlar belt
I believe I listed everything. Of course this will be an ongoing project, so list may change.
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There is always something to change...
Sweet set-up!
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DAYUM! You've done some incredible work! Have you seen substantial improvements? How fast was it's stock max speed vs. now? stock acceleration vs. now? The reason I ask is because I'm wondering what the best route to take is when I start to tackle my Yamaha Zuma. It's a 2 stroke, as well. It's older than dirt, but a helluva good scoot.
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Thank you for the documentation! I would just about kill for a garage/work area.
Are you on the stock intake manifold? Have you changed out the reeds and/or cage yet?
More questions, I am sure, but they can wait :D
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Nope, no change to the intake or reeds yet. I still use the stock air box as well with no modifications to it. The Athena BBK that I have coming has carbon fiber reeds included, so those will be added. I really have no work space. Just a small shed with just enough room to park it in along with the kids bicycles. I had plenty of room to do work on the motor assembly once it was removed from the rest of the scoot.
On to stock vs now.
Before the rebuild, I had nearly 2000 (almost) trouble free miles on it. I had some issues with the rear brake cable within the first few hundred miles. Replaced it and problem solved. Top speed on stock was 33-35mph(GPS) average. I was never really impressed with the stock take off from stop. It was very doggy and acceleration bogged at about 20mph and would pick back up again at about 25mph. This issue would come back to haunt me. I didn't feel safe on it in traffic because of it performance. After a near rear-ending (one of several) I decided it was time to do something. I poured over every bit of information throughout the winter before I placed my first order. My first set of goodies was the BBK, ZX-R pipe, and carb. The pipe and BBK were on back order from overseas, so it took about a month to get my parts. In this time I began the tear down and checked the specs of the parts that I planned on keeping. Everything looked great aside from a few loose bolts here and there and some road grime. I'll skip all the details of installing all the parts as it was very straight forward and I had no problems from start to finish. It started very first try, and after minor tuning of the carb, I was ready to begin breaking it in. I knew I needed to replace the transmission parts, but funding was tight, so it had to wait. My plan was to keep the stock vario, but even with the new parts I still had a lot of lag between 20-30mph. I had a set of new rollers laying around. Putting those in had no effect on the lag. I took the vario off and made a clay mold of the inside of the vario to better see it. It appeared to have a flat spot on all the roller guides. I had found my lag problem.
Skip ahead a bit more. Parts ordered. Transmission rebuilt. I used a Prima tuning weight set (3g-14g) to dial in just the right weight. Ordered Stage 6 weight that matched my choice.
Post rebuild performance is like night and day compared to stock. No wheelies, but the front end does get really loose on a WOT takeoff. It's a lot a fun to jump out ahead of someone at a green light. Nobody in my town has even thought of tuning their scoots. Lots of $500 Chinese junk scoots around. It will easily hit 55mph(GPS) and I feel it has more in it. I am still nervous to run it really hard. It only has a couple of hundred miles on it since the rebuild.
I know I have left a lot out, and I am fighting off a serious case of the flu right now. I can thank the kids for that. They always bring home some form of the plague when they start school.
I'll be happy to answer any questions. I don't know much, but I can share what is working for me.
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Yes, the stock vari kind of sucks. I didn't realize the angular aspect of the ramps until I had my Jasil vari with which to compare it. Definitely smoothed out acceleration and on the occasions when I have dialed the cvt in well, added about 5 miles to my top speed.
Sucks about the flu, but tis the season... Good Healing to you!
I haven't ventured into the realm of BBK yet (though I will later in this existence). I am curious as to why you are transitioning from the Naraku 70cc to the Athena, but having no experience with either, or that type of upgrade, I am just a seeker of info.
For now, I am happy to see what the stock set-up can do (and hopefully keep this piston melt-free) while I better acquaint myself with the world of 2 strokes.
For the record, any covered space (even with kids' bikes) is better than a parking area in a condo complex, so be thankful!
Are you still on the oem cdi as well?
I really wish that Kymco had foregone the clock and given us a tach instead...
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The change from the Naraku to the Athena is for two reasons.
1. I have read several reviews that the Athena produces a couple of extra HP and has a higher rpm range than the Naraku.
2. Earlier this week I had a fairly serious soft-seize. I haven't torn down yet to see the damage, but I feel i have lost some torque and believe I probably damaged the rings. This was caused by accidently refueling with the wrong can of pre-mix. Note to self: Where you placed your gas can in the day may not be the same can or in the same place in the dark. Don't assume. Read the label. Lesson learned.
I probably won't change the CDI. From what I have read, I don't believe there would be much to gain.
Also I have thought of removing the clock and replacing all that space with an LCD tach. That would be for another day. I already have a feeling that this project may be forever ongoing.
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Damn! Wrong gas can. That sucks.
Also I have thought of removing the clock and replacing all that space with an LCD tach. That would be for another day. I already have a feeling that this project may be forever ongoing.
That's a damn good idea! I want a tach too. Post some pics of that install if you do it. I'd like to do the same. And, yes the project does go on forever. Always something else to buy, change, or improve. Just look at zombies ZX.
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A new CDI may give you more than you think. I'm pretty sure newer models have much more restricted CDIs. Timing curve retards at a higher rate.
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Need some glow in the dark tape/paint for the correct can. Hopefully worst case is you get a new kit in and the Naraku just needs a new set of rings or such that you will have a back-up after the Athena install.
As for a newer cdi, there are only a couple of 'plug and play' available for the Like, one from Naraku and the other I am not certain of the manufacturer. They are actually listed for the Like 50 4t, but should work in theory, though I haven't read about their install on a 2t and for around 100 bucks, I don't have the extra cash to just try one to see. There is the option to cut wires and wire one into the system, but I don't feel comfortable enough with the wiring system yet to attempt such an action.
I have thought about utilizing the wasted space in the control panel as well, but my clock stopped working a few months ago so I am uncertain about LCD vs analogue... I just know I need to get a tach of some nature.
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So it appears that the Athena kit will not fit my scoot. Glad the place I was ordering from took the time to review my order and compare it to parts from previous orders. They sent me an email to warn me and ask what I wanted to do. After debating it for a bit, I changed my order to a Malossi BBK. I had a bit of credit, so I added a Naraku CDI to my order. Now it's a wait for more goodies to come in the big brown truck!
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Hooray for Brown trucks!
I am interested in discovering if the cdi is better than stock. When, many moons from now, I do increase the cc, Malossi will likely be the way to go. Kudis on the parts supplier for catching that.
I have a question about the fitment of your pipe. When I went to install mine today, I did have to make an extra hole for the bolt under the fan. Did you incur this or any other anomalies when installing?
Hope the flu is on the outs!
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No new parts yet. I definitely have the flu on its way out. Just responding to drilling the hole. The OEM exhaust had an attachment point just below the fan cover. No need to drill a new one as the ZX-R had a corresponding attachment point. It was nearly an exact match for the original. I just had to make a minor adjustment to the triangle bracket to get it to meet the bolt hole.
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Was your ZXR part #5524R? (for the Super 8 2t, Agility 50 2t, Top Boy, Dink, etc)
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I'm not sure the part number at the moment. Maybe a picture will help?
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Thank you very much for taking the time, but alas, no, the pic didn't help. What type(s) of gasketry did you use to install it?
Here's why all the questions: With a crush ring gasket only and with the flanges meeting well at the engine, the tube on the pipe for bolting to the case is covering half the hole and the hanging hardware doesn't line up at all.
With crush ring and additional gasket, the tube is completely in front of the case and the flanges are slightly askew, though the pipe hole and the engine port meet up. Too, in this latter configuration, the hanging hardware can be adjusted to match with the second engine case attachment hole. I had originally gone with the last configuration and had to drill a hole in the plate to the left of the attachment tube to get a bolt into the case.
With the crush ring only, it can fit all attachment points, but the pipe flange is a little askew, though as noted before, port and exhaust hole line up. This last config is where I have settled for now.
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The only thing I used was the crush ring. I left everything bolted in loose and got it squared up. I tightened it all down and it sealed. Did your pipe come with a metal spacer that you had to place on the triangle bracket? My spacer was hidden in some packing paper when I first began the install. Nothing lined up and I was about to make one myself until I decided to give the box one more looking over. Surprise! Just the piece I needed.
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Yes I have the spacer, although I did have to dig through the box for the washer that goes with the long bolt:) I haven't given up hope and will try it again, but dang. I should note that when I have tried to fit prior to bolting, the triangle bracket has been loosened so it could be adjusted during the process, but whereas through the bolt tube (under the cooling fan) I can see half of the engine case's threaded hole, I have thus far been unable to line up in any fashion the hole on the triangle bracket with the one in the case. Even in my current config, that thick spacer does help with "righting" the pipe. Thank you for giving me a control group against which to measure! Good luck with the new parts (though with the holiday the waiting will be prolonged)
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I would suggest writing or emailing the manufacturer with these issues. It may be a flaw in the production of your pipe. All it would take is for one weld to be off just slightly to throw the whole thing off. I would hope they would stand behind their work. Don't alter the pipe in any way, or they may not do anything about it if it is their problem.
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I greatly appreciate your passing it along, but not only did I remove the restrictor cone shortly after receiving the pipe, I gave it a second (more thorough) coating of heat-resistant clear coating. Too, the Like 50 is NOT on the list of Kymco scooters this pipe is expected to fit.
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Damn, wass, now I'm real nervous about installing :-\
I'll let you know if the same problems exist with my pipe as soon as I start hooking things up next week.
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Man, I wouldn't be surprised if Kymco did some 'adjusting' in production runs of the Like 50. The crush ring alone is plenty, for sure.
Just find your zen and make it happen.
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Or just find a big enough hammer and make it happen ;D
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I generally find that a proper deadblow hammer can solve most of life's problems ;D
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I think a proper blowjob could solve most of the worlds problems ;D
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True dat!
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I think a proper blowjob could solve most of the worlds problems
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I finally got the Malossi BBK that I had been waiting on yesterday. I tore down the motor last night and was surprised at the condition of the piston on the previous kit. It had huge pits in the walls of it! It appeared as if it was flaws in the metal itself and not from wear. Rings=trashed. :( I knew it wasn't the same after the soft seize.
I took care to clear the previous gasket material off and do a visual check of the crank case. I covered the rings, pin, cylinder wall with oil. Everything seemed to go together well. I only had time for a short test run last night as it was nearly 2am by the time I finished. It seemed to be running on the rich side. I'll tackle that problem today if the weather holds out. Strong storms and tornadoes in the forecast.
I may be splitting my time between here and another forum after this weekend. I'm taking a little road trip on Saturday to pick myself up a brand new 2013 Aprillia SR 50. Good times are in my future. :) I plan on keeping my Like and giving it to the wife.
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Keep us up with the ape, too. Those are some fierce beasts. If you haven't already, check out the scooter invasion forum. Much scooter goodness on there.
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NUYCE!
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My Like blows it away...for now. But the SR corners like a sport bike and drives like a dream. It just has some shortfalls on performance. When I'm done with it, it will be a
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oyez!
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Took my like out for a long ride today. Nearly 100 miles round trip. Ran like a champ!
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Excellent! What kind of gas mileage are you getting? And how is the Ape?
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At my midway point yesterday, I was at a little less than a half a tank. :) As for the ape... BBK, street gearing, remapped ecu, all new transmission. All Malossi.
Well, the dash doesn't lie...Although I could probably squeeze another 5mph out of it after I break it in.
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Sweet googly-moogly! Gots to get one of them Apes! Thanks much for the info and pics!
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A few queries regarding the Like:
You had indicated that the Malossi kit went in without having to perform any modifications (other than "cleaning up" any casting impurities). Was that definitely the case?
Did you get/install carbon fiber reeds? I know they were going to come with the Athena kit, but didn't know if you got some for the Malossi kit.
Was there any improvement with the Naraku cdi? Also, did you stay with the stock mani intake?
Thanks in advance! My minds' gears are turning for the future, if you couldn't tell:)
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With the Malossi BBK, I had very little cleaning as the jug appeared nearly perfect. Only a couple of spots that I had to get at with the dremel. It came with reeds, but they did not match the OEM reeds at all, so I left them out. As for the intake and reeds, they are all still original. That is the only thing left to add to my project. For some reason, they never shipped the Naraku CDI. I didn't get charged, so I never bothered with it. Right now I'm happy with it, so it a case of 'if it's not broke, don't fix it'.
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Sweet googly-moogly! Gots to get one of them Apes! Thanks much for the info and pics!
+1 for using the phrase "Sweet googly-moogly"
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I received some new goodies in the mail today...
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So, how does the VL14 fit?
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Actually, I haven't got it in yet. It appears to be identical to the OEM though. I was going to work on that later tonight.
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Looks as if I'll have to make an adapter to get it to fit, bit in theory, it should work as long as it is sealed.
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I have been trying to figure out an aftermarket cage altogether rather than just changing reeds, but I haven't met much success in finding other's dealings with one that fits the sf10 engine. Please keep the updates coming (and good luck!)
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Still, I find more to do to this scoot. It has been my winter ride. I finally got in a Stage6 primary gear kit. I also bought a different clutch, also Stage6. I never could get my other one set just how I liked it. I'll report back on how things go after I get it all done. Well...will it ever be "all done"? I guess that is the real question. No luck with the reeds. Looked at fashioning a new cage and spacer, but no luck.
I haven't been working on the Kymco a whole lot lately. I have the Aprilia dialed in at a good 65mph on flats, it makes the Kymco a nice cruiser. As for an every day commute, highway speeds feel much safer. I'll be plenty happy if I can ever get the Like up to speeds like that.
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It's finally warm enough to break it out for the year. It's getting a whole new top end and other spring maintenance goodies. It still runs great, and I have had nearly no issues with this build in its current form. I'm looking forward to see what everyone starts pulling out from their winter builds. It's going to be a good year :)
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I see you switched to a pod filter, whats the jetting looking like?
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I have a 112 in it right now for the main. I have never changed the idle jet. It seems to be ok where it's at. If it's not broke, don't fix it right? I may tinker with the idle jet some this summer though. I'd like to get a little more off the line. For the main, I've not noticed much difference between the 108 jet and the 112 I have now, but I think the plug looks a little better at the 112. I had a 98 and a 100 before that, and they were both obviously lean with the pod filter.
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Added a windshield. It doesn't seem to affect the top speed at all. I don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but on low beam at night the glare from the headlamp was terrible. With this, it has completely eliminated the glare. I got caught in a brief shower on my way home the night that I got it on. I stayed nearly completely dry. I think I'm going to like this.
Next on my list...The Kymco crash bar kit and fender kit.
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Very nice!
Im trying to find some stickers; only malossi sends em to me. I really want a Dell'Orto one.
I've heard about issues with the glare on the forum but haven't experienced it myself. Looking pretty euro with that windshield :)
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I spent some time this last weekend with putting some TLC back into the motor. I just recently re-honed the jug, and put a new piston in it. The old one was still just fine for the 1500+ miles of life it had on it. Malossi makes great jugs.
New bearings, new reeds, new gaskets. When I had the intake off, I polished (inside) it and smoothed the lip of the adapter from the carb adapter and intake. I completely rebuilt the carburetor and put on a new filter. At 50+ (pegged) I still have plenty of throttle left. I'm afraid to push it really hard, because over 10K RPM, I worry that it is going to throw itself to pieces. It would probably be fine, but I don't want to see my work ruined. It's great for cruising town at a much more reasonable 30-40 mph. I have also cleaned all the stickers off of it, and it looks much cleaner than it did. Maybe some pinstriping in the future? Also, I'm trying to hunt down the chrome crash bar set for this. I hope to run across one second hand.
Edited to say:
This speed is on the flat with no wind.
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All cleaned up!
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I haven't read this whole thread yet but I'm looking forward to it. I love a success story w/ good parts.
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My last run of the day with the Like at Twist and Gone last year. I may not have won anything, but I also didn't break anything. I was in the wrong class to be competitive. Should have been in the 70cc class instead of the 72cc+ class. Lesson learned. I'm also faster now than I was then, so this year will be better I hope.
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What is the current set up? I haven't read the thread yet.
It sounds like the clutch locks up a little late, and you can certainly use a sh** load more rpm's.
I had the hardest time dialing in the stage6 clutch w/ the gears. Once I got it though it made all the difference.
I noticed on this page you stated 10Krpm. I retarded my Ign. to 2*btdc at 14K. Your engine is capable of 14k easy.
If you are interested I have a spare HPI Programable CDI, and Magneto. All you would have to get are the stator/charging coil, mounting kit, and the dongle for programing the CDI. As I remember those parts cost under 100.00. I'll sell the stuff I have for 1/2 of whatever retail is. It's never been used but I did program the CDI to confirm it was good. http://www.hpi.be (http://www.hpi.be) https://www.treatland.tv/HPI-CDI-ignition-s/438.htm (https://www.treatland.tv/HPI-CDI-ignition-s/438.htm)
Way cool bike. Makes me want to play w/ mine again... almost!
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Most of the stuff in the sig is current. I have the clutch dialed in a little better than I did at the track that day. Also I have the Leo Vince pipe on it. I keep forgetting to add it to the sig. Top quality gear oil and Maxima 927 2t oil. I have known that higher rpm would require me to tweak my timing a bit. It starts to predet at 10k+ and that is why I haven't run it all out yet. I would love to have a programmable cdi! If I get any extra funds soon, I'll be in touch, Zombie. Right now I'm happy with what it does. My Aprilia is getting all my money right now. I'm about to cross the 80mph mark with it. Another horsey or 2 and some steeper gears and I'm there.
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That looks like a very solid daily driver. Nice combo.
have you tried or considered a Malossi Red Contra, or the Malossi Torsion control, and either 5 or 4.5 gr rollers w/ the blue spring?
W/ the shorter gears you can get a much better launch/ET by keeping a taller CVT ratio longer.
I have a similar gear set, and found the only way to get good take off is the Red Contra, and 3.5 Polini rollers. The bike takes off at 8.5-9K, and flies on the pipe (8.5-10k power band)
You're right about the PreDet too. The timing in all the available cdi's is too high(generally around 8*btdc @ 8-9k). You should be sloping down toward 2-3* by that point. I tried raising it again going toward 14k but it never did anything but lower the Exhaust gas temp. holding heat on the piston.
Congrats on the Ape. 80+ is a f***ing awesome goal. I know I could break 90 w/ the ZX if I stuck w/ it but blown up parts were getting into the $$$ range, and every fail hurt.
This thread is like watching a dope movie. Almost want to get back into the game... Almost! (least that's what I heard it was like...)
Marilyn Manson - The Dope Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R682M3ZEyk#)
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I have a question about the Molossi carb. Did it come with jets or did you order them separately?
I'm ordering the 19mm carb from SPI soon. I'm gearing up for a 70cc build, see "Just bought a new Like 50" thread. I want to make sure I have everything on hand. I'm getting all the parts and tools together, gonna prep it then bolt everything on. Any information or ideas would a big help.
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Just the set of jets that come with the carb. 86 main I believe. The carb as it comes worked OK for me with the stock airbox. Once it is replaced with a pod filter, jetting of 100-120 is more appropriate. If you are getting the 20mm intake, it may need closer to 120.
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I believe the Malossi carb is actually a Dellorto PHGB rebadged. My 19mm PHGB cage with the four stroke atomizer tube, it runs way better with the correct atomizer installed. You can tell by looking down the throat and where the needle goes there is a little half circle, that is the 2t if its flat 4t.
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The Malossi carb I purchased came in a Malossi package, but is stamped with the PHGB on the side of it. I never thought to see what atomizer was in it. I'll have to look tomorrow. What exactly is the difference between the 2t and 4t atomizer?
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The 2t has a c shaped cup to block the reverse charge a two stroke produces momentarily before the reeds close. Also the 2t has a closed tube where the 4t has holes to aerate the mixture. A two stroke engine needs a more fluid mixture because it has to travel pretty far to get to combustion. Look up phgb au262 and an262 to see the difference. Almost for sure yours comes with the an
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So if I follow you, I would need to change out the mixer tube if I discover that it is an AN. (Holes in the tube). Are these interchangeable? Is it really that simple? I've been debating changing out carbs and intake anyway. If I go that route, any good recommendation on a 21mm flat slide?
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Yeah you don't HAVE to change it, but really the an tube is meant for four stroke. Also, your jetting will change I went from a 98 main to a 90 on my zuma, but throttle response got a lot better. Maybe the Malossi one they already changed it but I doubt it. My Dellorto said "racing carburetor for two stroke" but had the 4t atomizer lol. From what I read, all of the phgb carbs were sent from Italy with the an setup.
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The malossi kit is a PHBG. Not rebadged. Straight from dellorto. You do not need the 2t atomiser at least on the LIKE.
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Like I said you don't NEED it, but it will help the motor run better.
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just clearing up the record :)
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Looks like I'm back to work on it. I was coming home yesterday and it stopped running like someone flipped a switch. It still has good compression, spark, but dry plug. I think my motor has eaten my new reeds. I'm going to pop off the intake later and have a look. Does anyone have any recommendations on carbon reeds that don't cost a fortune (like the Malossi at $30+) I don't really want to cut my own.
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Ouch. Now even if there are no reeds, shouldnt the plug still get wet?
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That's what I thought too. I'm just guessing at the problem at this point. I have been too busy to even touch it since it quit.I have 2 other scoots to play around on, so I'll let everyone know what I find when I get around to it.
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Problem solved. My plug junked out on me. I'm not sure what happened, but it was dead. No spark at all. Checked it on another scooter even. I thought for sure that it had to be the coil, wire, boot, or some other part of the ignition system. Put in a new plug, and it fired right up. The plug that died was almost brand new. Maybe had 100 miles on it.
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Weiiiirddd. Great simple fix though!!!
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What plug were you running? Also how black was it, maybe your running too rich.
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Actually, the plug looked like it had 100 miles on it. Nice golden color as expected. It just died.
BR8HS
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Also I'd like to point out that it didn't act fouled. When it shut down it was while accelerating. It just went off like a switch. In fact, my first thought was that I hit the kill switch on accident.
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"Added a windshield. It doesn't seem to affect the top speed at all. I don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but on low beam at night the glare from the headlamp was terrible. With this, it has completely eliminated the glare. I got caught in a brief shower on my way home the night that I got it on. I stayed nearly completely dry. I think I'm going to like this. "
Love the windshield, where'd you find it? I've been looking for that one stateside and can't find anybody that carries it.
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http://www.accessoryinternational.com/product/givi-442a-screen-blade-for-like-50-125-200i.html (http://www.accessoryinternational.com/product/givi-442a-screen-blade-for-like-50-125-200i.html)
Here is one similar to it. I've had a lot of questions about it. I can't find any more like I got. I think I got lucky before they sold out. With the one above, it requires ordering the hardware kit too. $150 +shipping for the whole deal. If I remember right, I paid about $180.
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I figured I'd post an update for 2015. New stuff in sig, and a slightly new look for the Kymco.
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Still have a nice max speed as well.
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Your possibly the fastest like 50 on here haha love it. Have your GPS what the needle pegged is? Well above 50?
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Just realized the speedometer pic is an older one I've already posted
Top speed is still the same though.
Gps has me average around 62-65 mph.
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Although running at 50mph is where it feels best at. 60+ is just a max speed.
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Nope, no change to the intake or reeds yet. I still use the stock air box as well with no modifications to it. The Athena BBK that I have coming has carbon fiber reeds included, so those will be added. I really have no work space. Just a small shed with just enough room to park it in along with the kids bicycles. I had plenty of room to do work on the motor assembly once it was removed from the rest of the scoot.
On to stock vs now.
Before the rebuild, I had nearly 2000 (almost) trouble free miles on it. I had some issues with the rear brake cable within the first few hundred miles. Replaced it and problem solved. Top speed on stock was 33-35mph(GPS) average. I was never really impressed with the stock take off from stop. It was very doggy and acceleration bogged at about 20mph and would pick back up again at about 25mph. This issue would come back to haunt me. I didn't feel safe on it in traffic because of it performance. After a near rear-ending (one of several) I decided it was time to do something. I poured over every bit of information throughout the winter before I placed my first order. My first set of goodies was the BBK, ZX-R pipe, and carb. The pipe and BBK were on back order from overseas, so it took about a month to get my parts. In this time I began the tear down and checked the specs of the parts that I planned on keeping. Everything looked great aside from a few loose bolts here and there and some road grime. I'll skip all the details of installing all the parts as it was very straight forward and I had no problems from start to finish. It started very first try, and after minor tuning of the carb, I was ready to begin breaking it in. I knew I needed to replace the transmission parts, but funding was tight, so it had to wait. My plan was to keep the stock vario, but even with the new parts I still had a lot of lag between 20-30mph. I had a set of new rollers laying around. Putting those in had no effect on the lag. I took the vario off and made a clay mold of the inside of the vario to better see it. It appeared to have a flat spot on all the roller guides. I had found my lag problem.
Skip ahead a bit more. Parts ordered. Transmission rebuilt. I used a Prima tuning weight set (3g-14g) to dial in just the right weight. Ordered Stage 6 weight that matched my choice.
Post rebuild performance is like night and day compared to stock. No wheelies, but the front end does get really loose on a WOT takeoff. It's a lot a fun to jump out ahead of someone at a green light. Nobody in my town has even thought of tuning their scoots. Lots of $500 Chinese junk scoots around. It will easily hit 55mph(GPS) and I feel it has more in it. I am still nervous to run it really hard. It only has a couple of hundred miles on it since the rebuild.
I know I have left a lot out, and I am fighting off a serious case of the flu right now. I can thank the kids for that. They always bring home some form of the plague when they start school.
I'll be happy to answer any questions. I don't know much, but I can share what is working for me.
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Hey ParaIndiana, you seem very very knowledgeable, can you tell me if this is mainly what I need to up the speed on my 2012 Kymco Luke 50cc 2t?and can you suggest anything else, maybe an exhaust or Kevlar belt, it's all stock and want to go from 25mph top speed to 40-45 top speed, thanks in advance man!
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Para
Nice ride dude! I have a similar setup but looks like your max speed is killing mine. Looks like ive underestimated the pod filter and clutch.
Im curious what is your Idle jet and Main Jet size. Do you mind posting a photo of your filter setup?
Thanks Alex