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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Super 8 150 => Topic started by: dudley on January 31, 2012, 05:56:04 PM
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Who makes a 100/80-14 front tire for the super 8?
Lots of options for the 120/80-14 rear.
Can I go 120 on the front without compromising handling?
What do you have on your super 8?
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Hey Dudley. There are alot of options volunteered on the forum. I believe they are in the People section. You can upsize, and alot of the time you are MUCH better off. I would recommend keeping a larger tire on the rear however. Now that I'm thinking about it I believe Heidenau (bad spelling) has tires in your size
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Mine came with a 120 on the front as standard equipment.
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Actually not alot of options in the rear size either.
Seems to be more popular for a front tire.
Should I go 120 front(will it fit)
And 130 rear?
Or two 120s.
Don't know dammit about scooter tires.
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It's more about how you like to ride. The steering angle will change w/ tire diameter, and placement so I think of it as how you would like the bike to feel. Bigger tires are generally a softer feeling ride, and vice versa. Then theres style... If you allways feel like you are falling over the bars go w/ (2) bigger tires the same size. If you want a quicker feeling in the front go smaller on the front, and bigger on the rear.
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Thank you, zombie.
That is some info I can apply while researching further.
Teaching me to fish, so to speak.
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The super 8 has a tire fender/hugger with only a small space between that and the tire. A big tire will not fit unless you remove the hugger.
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Or modify it. YEEEEEHAWWWWW!
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Klaviator,
What's on the rear?
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Klaviator,
What's on the rear?
I have a 120 front and rear. Both Chen shins. At 4900 miles they show little signs of wear. I'm guessing the rear will last 10,000+ miles and the front much longer than that.
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Chen Shin s last forever cause they are hard as plastic. Great for touring. Suckified in the rain or morning dew.
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Chen Shin s last forever cause they are hard as plastic. Great for touring. Suckified in the rain or morning dew.
Actually I was thinking hard as concrete ;D Despite this, on dry roads they have plenty of traction. The S-8 runs out of ground clearance before the tires run out of grip. I take it easy when the roads are wet and haven't had any problems so far.
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At nearly 8000 miles, my rear tire is wearing out. I haven't been able to find a single 120/80-14 rear tire although there are front tires in that size. Has anyone out there replaced their rear tire?
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I'm at 11,000 miles on the originals and they still look good.
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I'm at 11,000 miles on the originals and they still look good.
I have 10,000+ on the originals and still looks like new... ::)
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Quick question....Can you order the stock tires (Cheng Shin) from a Kymco dealer?
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I don't know over there... but here in my country, yes...
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Vivo: I called my local dealer here in Beverly, MA. & they confirmed that I can in fact get the stock tires from Kymco. Nice to know, if I when I need a new set!
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Nice.. dealers only sell upon order and usually don't keep them in stock...
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I ordered a rear OEM tire from my dealer. It was around $95. Pretty pricey for a small Chen Shin scooter tire but I couldn't find any other options that fit except for putting a front tire on the rear. At least the stock tires last a long time.
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Klaviator: Funny...I have had a few Cheng-Shin tires in my day & they really aren't that bad. My Suzuki TU-250X motorcycle had them & I was pleased with them. My Kymco People S200 had them, no issues to report. My soon to be Super 8 has them & I'm ok with that. Ok...So we pay a few extra dollars for the tire! As you mentioned....They don't need to be replaced that often!
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I have 10,000+ on my Super 8 Chengs. They are somewhat slippery in the rain but I can live with that.
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BTW...I noticed on my new 2013 Kymco Super 8 150 that the front tire changed from 100/80/14 to 120/70/14 Now we have a decent amount of tire selections i.e. Michelin, Avon, Pirelli etc. That older verison front tire was tough to find.
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"we" have a selection if "we" have a 2013 Super 8 150 :P
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"we" have a selection if "we" have a 2013 Super 8 150 :P
Of course, "we" all have the Super 8 because this is a Super 8 board... :P
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Hey guys,
I have a kymco super 8 125 here in Australia. Looking to put some decent tires on it as these chen shin's are just too slippery for me in the wet. After doing some research on rollind diameters and such I believe we can go from a 100/80 R14 to a 120/70 R14 on the front (which you guys already know anyway). For the back we can go from the 120/80 R14 to a 140/70 R14. My question is, obviously the fronts will fit fine as they are coming out of the factory with them on. What about the rear, has anybody put a 140/70 R14 tire on, does it fit ok or is their modding back there to be done? If they fit it opens me up to quite a range of tires in particular the pirelli diablo's. Should I be looking at any other brands? I know michelin and continentals make those sizes as well. Cheers in advance.
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140/60/14..
(http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae37/uploadthepicshere/11232010435.jpg)
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Cheers and thanks for the pic. Is their any reason you went for a 140/60 instead of the 140/70? The later has pretty much the same rolling diameter as the stock wheel. Did you have to modify anything back there to get it to fit or it just went straight on?
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Cheers and thanks for the pic. Is their any reason you went for a 140/60 instead of the 140/70? The later has pretty much the same rolling diameter as the stock wheel. Did you have to modify anything back there to get it to fit or it just went straight on?
Tire sidewall height... the 140/60 has a sidewall height of 84mm while the 140/70 has 98mm... Actually that is a borrowed pic... I'm also still in the process of searching for the best tire combination for my super 8...
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So what is the side wall height of the stock 120/80 then? I would have thought that would have bewn a smaller rolling diameter? Should I not be going the 140/70 then?
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I just looked it up. The stock wheel has a side wall of 96mm and the 140/70 is like you said at 98mm. On this calcultaor I'm looking at though everything in difference wise is all under 1% difference from rolling diameter:- current wheel 547.60mm new wheel 551.60mm, circumference:- current wheel 1720.34mm new wheel 1732.90mm, Revolution/km:- current wheel 581.28 new wheel 577.07. Their is also a small difference in speedo readings. At 104km/hr the actual speed is 105.37km/hr.
I am only new to the scooters so please don't think I am trying to tell you hpw it is. I am only going off info infront of me. So if you care to shed some light on why a smaller side wall would be better than a wheel that is nearly identical in characteristics is better I am willing to listen.
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Well, what really matters are your personal purpose/choice.... I want a tire that will look great on the scoot.. tire size and tread design... I don't want a super big tire that will look awkward nor a small geeky tire... that is why I'm still looking. The 140/70 is wide and tall... overall it looks big (well, for me it is) the 140/60 looks just wide and balanced....and not really tall.... remove the fender and it looks great....
(http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l532/ajfourtwenty/Puge/Preview.jpg)
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Is that a 140/60 tire on that bike?
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Here is the pirelli diablo tyres on my super 8 125
120/70/14 on the front
140/70/14 on the back
steering is a little slower on the front. firmer with better feel. i like it much better.
had to remove the rear tyre hugger. no great loss
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Thanks for the info. Did the rear tyre hugger have to come off cause it was hitting on the tyre? When I did my measurements it looked like it would fit in or was the tyre too high? How do you find them in the wet?
On a side note, I noticed you are in Queensland, where are you located?
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Haven't ridden in the wet yet only got fitted 2 days ago. No way will fit in with hugger too wide. Only 6mm gap between shockers. Living in yatala area. These are real motorbike tyres that will save your arse in a sticky situation. The stock tyres should be banned from sale. I believe they would last longer than the motor, they are so hard a compound. I would rather spend the money on a tyre that wears out quicker but I don't die. A good trade off I think. These diablo's will be fantastic once I get used to the different steering.
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Cool, thanks mate and thanks to vivo as well for your input. I will be place an order today for the diablos :D
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I removed the tire hugger once.... rode it in the rain...mud/water splashed all over and had to install it again.... I sure liked the looks without the tire hugger but rain and mud is my problem...
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Just seeing if you have anymore reviews on your tires? Have you riden it in the wet yet?
Haven't ridden in the wet yet only got fitted 2 days ago. No way will fit in with hugger too wide. Only 6mm gap between shockers. Living in yatala area. These are real motorbike tyres that will save your arse in a sticky situation. The stock tyres should be banned from sale. I believe they would last longer than the motor, they are so hard a compound. I would rather spend the money on a tyre that wears out quicker but I don't die. A good trade off I think. These diablo's will be fantastic once I get used to the different steering.
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Guys...Do you really think the stock tires are that bad? I know Kymco use to use Cheng-Shin branded tires, now they use CST (same company) as of 2013 models here in the USA. I think they are fine myself, but please keep in mind I do not ride in the rain...ever!
Cheng-Shin/CST Link:
http://www.csttires.com/About-CST.aspx (http://www.csttires.com/About-CST.aspx)
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Guys...Do you really think the stock tires are that bad? I know Kymco use to use Cheng-Shin branded tires, now they use CST (same company) as of 2013 models here in the USA. I think they are fine myself, but please keep in mind I do not ride in the rain...ever!
Cheng-Shin/CST Link:
http://www.csttires.com/About-CST.aspx (http://www.csttires.com/About-CST.aspx)
It really depends on your perspective... They last a looong time and for some, that is a good trait. But they are slippery on wet roads, manhole covers, those white lines on the road, etc. Would I buy another set? Maybe... I still need to actually compare the stock to other brands to have an objective comparison...
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Yes, they are the worst tyre I have been on. I have already come off it once in the rain when the tyre slid on me.....and I was only going about 10-15km/hr. All I did was tap the brake and down she went. The sooner I get rid of them the better.
Guys...Do you really think the stock tires are that bad? I know Kymco use to use Cheng-Shin branded tires, now they use CST (same company) as of 2013 models here in the USA. I think they are fine myself, but please keep in mind I do not ride in the rain...ever!
Cheng-Shin/CST Link:
http://www.csttires.com/About-CST.aspx (http://www.csttires.com/About-CST.aspx)
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Well....I guess "if" I drove in the rain, I would have to change the stock CST tires out. Too be honest....I like them well enough as I cruise only when it's not raining. You see...I don't rely on my S8 for real transportation. It's just a fun toy that I use when the outside condintions are good. Whne the start to wear-out, I'll score a decent tire. But...for now, I'll keep them.
Scolburn...Sorry to hear about dumping your S8! I know Vivo been using his stock tires for a while now & he's ok with them. As I recall...She been in the rain with them as well. You cannot expect Kymco to put on a Pirelli, Avon or any really decent tire for a budget scooter. Hell...My Kymco GT300i came with Maxxis tires & they are considering semi-budget!
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Scolburn...Sorry to hear about dumping your S8! I know Vivo been using his stock tires for a while now & he's ok with them. As I recall...She been in the rain with them as well. You cannot expect Kymco to put on a Pirelli, Avon or any really decent tire for a budget scooter. Hell...My Kymco GT300i came with Maxxis tires & they are considering semi-budget!
My stock tires are two years old and yes I use my scoot daily and yes we are hit by an average of 22 typhoons in one year and maybe more this year because it's February and we are on our third storm already. The reason why I don't have accidents on my tires is the fact that I'm aware of my tires' capabilities. It's good on dry but bad on wet... so, when it's wet, I just adjust my riding style... and avoid those slippery surfaces... The main reason why I want to change to a new set is that I have several flats and plugs already and time has come to get new ones.... but damn! these Chengs really last...
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My stock tires are two years old and yes I use my scoot daily and yes we are hit by an average of 22 typhoons in one year and maybe more this year because it's February and we are on our third storm already. The reason why I don't have accidents on my tires is the fact that I'm aware of my tires' capabilities. It's good on dry but bad on wet... so, when it's wet, I just adjust my riding style... and avoid those slippery surfaces... The main reason why I want to change to a new set is that I have several flats and plugs already and time has come to get new ones.... but damn! these Chengs really last...
Trust me, I am not a hoon in the wet. I am literally holding up the traffic!! I wasn't going fast at all when it went down. I really don't care if they long time, I just want a tyre that can perform in both dry and wet. I ride my bike everyday as a commuter to and from work. I don't want to be worrying if I'm going to fall off when it is raining.
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I just want a tyre that can perform in both dry and wet.
Me too....
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check out mine... 120 70 14 front
140 60 14 rear
nothing to loose, perfectly matched, you can try 150 60 14
pirelli diablo scooter...
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I really like the feel of the stock tires, but I'm not that confident of their traction, especially in the rain. I am concerned that putting a wider tire in the rear will make for some funky handling. For those of you who put a wider tire on and also ride on curvy roads, how does the wider tire, especially a 140, affect the handling.
BTW, the stock tires don't last forever. I wore out my first rear in 8500 miles. The front has 14,600 miles on it. It's not worn out but is cupped and starting to handle funny.
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I really like the feel of the stock tires, but I'm not that confident of their traction, especially in the rain. I am concerned that putting a wider tire in the rear will make for some funky handling. For those of you who put a wider tire on and also ride on curvy roads, how does the wider tire, especially a 140, affect the handling.
BTW, the stock tires don't last forever. I wore out my first rear in 8500 miles. The front has 14,600 miles on it. It's not worn out but is cupped and starting to handle funny.
It's too bad that we don't have any other choice for rear tires due to it's funky size.
I wouldn't mind running a 140 rear tire but the sidewall is awfully close to the shocks.
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Needing a rear tire for my 2013 S8.
Was considering http://www.bikebandit.com/michelin-city-grip-scooter-tire (http://www.bikebandit.com/michelin-city-grip-scooter-tire) 140/60-14 for $64 Thoughts?
(http://i.imgur.com/IGVJawa.jpg)
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I have a City Grip on the front of my Sport City 250. I like the tire but I'm not sure what putting a much wider than stock tire will do to the handling of the Super 8. Also I'd go with a 140/70-14 to be closer to the height of the stock tire.
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Hello Everyone!
Good info here on reading tire specs.
http://heidenautires.com/specifications/ (http://heidenautires.com/specifications/)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff10/tetsixty8/Tiresizing_zps59c84f4e.png)
Has anyone tried this setup yet? on a Super 8 ( I live in the Pacific northwest = lots of rain )
Part Number: 2731878 Michelin City Grip Scooter Tire, Front, 120/70-14, 14, Tire, Tube/Tubeless, Bias Ply, 55, S
Part Number: 3151644 Michelin City Grip Scooter Tire, Rear, Reinforced, 140/70-14, 14, Tire, Tube/Tubeless, Bias Ply, 68, P
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Has anyone tried this setup yet? on a Super 8 ( I live in the Pacific northwest = lots of rain )
Part Number: 2731878 Michelin City Grip Scooter Tire, Front, 120/70-14, 14, Tire, Tube/Tubeless, Bias Ply, 55, S
Part Number: 3151644 Michelin City Grip Scooter Tire, Rear, Reinforced, 140/70-14, 14, Tire, Tube/Tubeless, Bias Ply, 68, P
I have considered this setup but I don't know that going 2 sizes larger (120-140) on the rear is a good idea. The tire is not designed to be mounted on such a narrow rim and may end up with funky handling. I don't think it would be unsafe but it may give the scooter a weird feeling in curves. I know that some people have put a 140 on the rear but so far no one has answered the question of how it affect handling. I'm on my second stock rear tire and will need to replace the front soon. I may just get another OEM tire.
BTW, I ride regularly in the rain. I take it easy and haven't had any problems with the stock tires.
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had serious problems last year , and continuing them this year ...
everytime on spring and summer the fireman washes the roads at 10-11 PM and that's the time i hate riding my kymco
it doesn't matter how careful and slowly you take the ride its about a small reflexive reaction and you're done...
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Klaviator, found a few posts:"New Tires", some feed back on 120/70/14/140/70/14
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=9019.msg97428#msg97428, (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=9019.msg97428#msg97428,)
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=8791.0 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=8791.0)
The 70 series tire is taller and affects ride quality...ride is harsher... Taller also increases your braking distance because more force is needed to stop a tire with bigger radius. Taller tire also means poor acceleration... However, taller tires give better mileage but poor handling... I would go for a wider and and lower tire.... they look cooler... ;D ;D ;D
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Klaviator, found a few posts:"New Tires", some feed back on 120/70/14/140/70/14
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=9019.msg97428#msg97428, (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=9019.msg97428#msg97428,)
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=8791.0 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=8791.0)
I have read all those threads. People say the tire fits if you remove the hugger and it "looks cool" No one has said anything about how it handles. As for this statement:
"The 70 series tire is taller and affects ride quality...ride is harsher... Taller also increases your braking distance because more force is needed to stop a tire with bigger radius. Taller tire also means poor acceleration... However, taller tires give better mileage but poor handling... I would go for a wider and and lower tire.... they look cooler... ;D ;D ;D"
It makes no sense. A taller tire will normally give a smoother ride. However, if you go with a taller and wider tire and run the same pressure, it may degrade the ride and it will weigh much more than the stock tire. The brakes on my super 8 work fine, I doubt a taller tire will affect braking enough to notice. Poor handling? How? A taller tire will increase cornering clearance, something the super 8 is short of. Also, it is likely to increase mileage slightly since you will lower RPMs. He is correct about less acceleration.
My experience with putting a taller tire on the rear of my Aprilia is no noticeable change in handling and or ride. Reports from people putting a wider tire on is that it makes the bike want to stand up in curves. And this is with a one size wider tire. Normally going up one tire size is fine but 2 sizes may not be.
The stock rear tire is 120/80-14. If I could find a 130/80-14 I'd go with it. A 140/60-14 will be wider and shorter than stock. It will increase your engine RPM at a given speed, decrease cornering clearance, and maybe give a harsher ride. I wouldn't be surprised if it made the scooter handle like sh**, but I don't know because no one has commented on this. I couldn't care less that it looks " cool". I want a tire that works. I ride my scooter. I don't stand around looking at it.
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hi there from the Philippines :-D
just got my Super 8 150 before xmas :-D
i was considering of changing the stock tires as i was told it is very difficult to handle specially on wet roads.
someone suggested i go to 120/70-14 and 140/70-14 for the front and rear respectively.
do i need to do some mods on my ride so that these tires would fit ?
btw, the brand suggested to me was either a FDR, Mizzle or Shinko.
i wanted the Michellin but cant find the appropriate size.
any advice, comments, suggestions (or even violent reactions) are much welcome.
thanks in advance.
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hi there from the Philippines :-D
just got my Super 8 150 before xmas :-D
i was considering of changing the stock tires as i was told it is very difficult to handle specially on wet roads.
someone suggested i go to 120/70-14 and 140/70-14 for the front and rear respectively.
do i need to do some mods on my ride so that these tires would fit ?
btw, the brand suggested to me was either a FDR, Mizzle or Shinko.
i wanted the Michellin but cant find the appropriate size.
any advice, comments, suggestions (or even violent reactions) are much welcome.
thanks in advance.
Hey James. Try opening up a new thread under the Super 8 Forum. You are piggy-backing on an old thread. You should get a better response. Best of luck!
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I just replaced my rear tire with an Avon Viper Stryke 120/80-14 FRONT TIRE. It's the correct size and I can't say I feel much difference from the stock rear tire but I have only gone out for one short ride. I doubt it will last as long as the stock Chen Shin's did but it was also much less expensive at 60 bucks vs over 100 for the Chen Shin.
I'll update after I have put some miles on it.