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Scooters - 125 to 300 => People s200 => Topic started by: art on July 26, 2010, 05:40:40 PM
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Here's the culpret! It's seemed to be kicking in a little premature on my scoot and at the worst times.
It plugs into the lower right post.
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Next- The bike was hitting it's power band too early for my taste,making the motor work harder than needed at 50+ mph. A stiffer contra spring did the trick here plus a set of dr pully 16g.
This took the hit off the line away and moved it to just off idle smoothly! From there it's like electric glide to 50mph than has another nice hit when power band is in stride,has a larger bike feel.
I had to make the contra so don't now the tension,more info when oem replacments show up
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Next- To compliment the the smoother feel. A little more horse power. I upjetted the main to a .047 according to my calipers with mixed results. (damn camera)
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Next- Needed some more airflow. Tried a few 1/4" holes,not enouph so off with the cover. Now this motor is alive! I will most likely add some 1 1\2" holes in the outer cover and some black flyscreen to the inner to keep the critters out ;D I don't know if this is a stock airfilter,sure looks like a k/n ???
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Next- The results,Pro, The bike will sip gas now around town at 35mph and under.There is no stress on the motor,takes less than an 1/8th throttle to mantain this speed,at a 1\4 throttle will hold to under 50mph all day long. When needed the thing does have some umph now and will not cut your rev's if you need that little bit more. Has a great feel to it now with the handling of a 50cc Vary nice!!!
The cons, I did not get my 70+ out of it yet! It will hold an indicated 70+ but we all know it's 4 mph optimistic. You will be sacrificing some mpg's for the top end power(small price to pay in my book) and the model has been difficult to get good parts info on even from the factory,for instance the actuel belt size! I think i got it figured out a malossi 795x19.8x30 (not verified) would like to try a little longer one though.
So to sum it all up,The mods were positive and changed the bike for the better in my opinion(I did not get authorization if wondering ::) ) I'm in it for the cost of the 16g rollers and a jet(left over from another project) I feel that kymco just missed a home run with this model. The bottle neck being the internal gearing,cause the motor is sweet in this frame!
Still got some tinkering to do. I aint done yet! Hopfully ya'll can read this cause if ya can't frankly my dear i don't give a damn ;D
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...transparency.....that's why you my muthaf*cka....
;D
..final drive gear changes would get you where you want to be...
..how about the larger diameter rear tire??
..of course, with either mod, that'd throw you back to square one on everything else....
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Talk nice to me and I'll tell you the exact belt size.
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Ha! goining through that with the 50 right now(by the way I'm back in the 60+ club) I'll post in the other thread. I will be doing some more with the s200. Going to run me anouther $40 to test and possibly another belt size. Found some contra springs for it,on order and got to verify the belt size. The belt with the cover off seems to slap around a bit It were'nt right In stock form and not quite dialed in yet,the drive and clutch pulley seem to be fighting each other a bit if I can get this smoothe look out. It will take a tire up Hmmm ;D Going to stay cheap on this one for now. Think i can get another 5 mph out of it we'll see!
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Ha! I treat people with the same respect I'm given, I'm kinda funny that way ;D Honetly Id like a 1/4" longer.(belt that is ;) )
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...the first +ten mph are relatively easy...
;)
..after that, it gets a bit more tedious...
..i'm putting the red Leo fly springs in my guilty right now..(finally found them..they were in the pack they came in so i could find them easily)...lol..
..hoping it'll get rid of the belt grab at initial throttle...it's very annoying...
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Ill catch you up later got some unexpected company
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..cool..goin' for a good long test ride ....
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..goin' for a good long test ride..
..holy frikin' crap!!!!
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I love test rides that end that way,than again not.cause you know there's more ;)
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Still waiting on some parts so decided to get to that spark plug today(what a pain)Don't know what thay were thinking on this! (They were'nt :D )
Anyway was looking good a hair ritch so decided to open the pipe a little. Four 1/4" holes (at the back near outlet) and instant pick up off the line and sounding a little meaner! Gained about a 1/2 second on 0 to 30 will try a top speed run later on.
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You basically have to pull the body to get to the spark plug.
You have to take the entire scoot apart to change a light bulb.
Dumb
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I got to it with the seet bucket and battery cover removed,but need a swivelhead socket to do it this way and a firm hand on the plastic to give you an extras 1/4" Would not want to do this at night in the rain on the side of the road :P
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After you pull the center cover and the seat tub, and of course the three bolts for the rack, you can just lift the body up and out of the way. Wait till you adjust the valves!
Actually, once you pull everything off it's not hard on this model.
Which wire did you disconnect from the CDI?
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Wait till you adjust the valves!
..>>SNAP<<..
..thanx scosgt...
..a light just blinked on for me...
..since i've resurrected my a50, from the death-grip of carbon build-up, i need to re-adjust those suckers...
..i had adjusted them to spec during troubleshooting, but i just bet they need another adjustment now that ive cleaned it all out......
:-\
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Theres a pic. click on it. kinda violet purple
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As to the carbon, my SYM dealer gave me a great method..
Go to Home Depot and buy a spray can of "lawnmower power" or something such, it is a green spray can with a straw. They carry it, I have bought it there.
Pull the spark plug. Spray this stuff in and let it sit for 15 minutes. They crank the engine a few times with the plug out. Use a paper towel or something over the hole, the stuff is going to SPRAY. Then replace the plug and crank it up. It melts and burns off all the carbon. When I did it to my SYM at about 5K miles I could feel the difference immediately.
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..yyup. i used the seafoam spray in much that same manner..
..that's some good stuff too...
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I always put one OZ per gallon of Seafoam in the gas when I fuel up. So far so good.
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..i do too...now...but about every other tank...
;D
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Damn! Still no parts,so did some more digging around for the true belt size. Seems the lcd4-eoa Kymco part# is the same as The bando 27.3746 Which measures 781x20x30 so it looks like i'll be ordering the malossi 6113148 That measures 795x19.8x30
So if all goes right It should give me some more top end. In the mean time i guess my springs are on back order ::)
I'll get it all back together Someday I hope.
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I have a new belt I am going to measure tonite.
Also Whidbey Island Mopeds sells a Malossi Kevlar belt for the S200
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Well the springs showed today,and have been testing the 1500 rpm from ncy. The slop and play the belt was showing at idle has been eliminated with a heavier spring. No more flapping around!
No real improvement in top speed (95+ and humid today) may need another upjet for the heat. I think i was getting better results with my homemade spring ::) (maybe need a 1200rpm spring) But it was near 30 degrees cooler last run. OH well orderd the 6113148 from malossi,can't make any real progress untill it's all here.
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and have been testing the 1500 rpm from ncy
..i need that spring...for maybe both my scoots, but i really need it for the guilty..
(maybe need a 1200rpm spring)
..is there such a thing??..what do you estimate your homemade spring to be??
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Ha! thats my guess I don't know if they make one (1200rpm) I still have a 2000 rpm to try but need the damn belt to take it any further. Had it up to an indicated 75mph when it was a bit cooler out. It didn't want to break the low 70mph mark today though. I think it was starved for fuel.
When I get done I might have a 1500 up for grabs ;) They are a bit longer for a gy6 150cc dont know if it makes a difference for the 50cc or not. They are the same diamiter.
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When I get done I might have a 1500 up for grabs They are a bit longer for a gy6 150cc dont know if it makes a difference for the 50cc or not. They are the same diamiter
..i'll take it!!..and pay shipping!!
..the malossi 1000 spring is about an inch longer than oem...
..i bought a 1500, but the diameter was too small...
..want it??
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Got the belt through provoscooters for about $54 shipped. Almost the same price as my local shop that screwed the last order up ::) Had to cancel and start again. :P It's for a kymco 125 according to them but the same dimentions.
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It's a bit more than an inch longer Would you be interested in the 2000 Rpm Don't know which I'm going with yet. Not sure i could use the smaller diamiter for any thing (whats it sposed to fit). The ncy was tight but fit in the holder
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..well, measuring..the malossi is closer to 1.5 inches longer than oem...
..i thing the smaller dia fits a chinese gys clutch...
..speculating...
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Wierd you would think they were the same. The ncy was tight but fit. Here's a pic. The one in the middle is my homemade one :P + a cold one :D
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...pabst...wow...you da man art!!!
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Damn! Still no parts,so did some more digging around for the true belt size. Seems the lcd4-eoa Kymco part# is the same as The bando 27.3746 Which measures 781x20x30 so it looks like i'll be ordering the malossi 6113148 That measures 795x19.8x30
So if all goes right It should give me some more top end. In the mean time i guess my springs are on back order ::)
I'll get it all back together Someday I hope.
I just measured a brand new belt (without taking it out of the plastic).
It is 813X19.9X??
Not sure where the 30 comes from, is that the angle? The height on the KYMCO belt is 10mm
So I think a 795 is going to be too short, but please report back.
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..the "30" is , i believe, the angle of the "teeth" on the I.D. of th' belt...
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..the "30" is , i believe, the angle of the "teeth" on the I.D. of th' belt...
That's probably it but I don't have any way to measure that.
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..no, neither do i, but there is a noticeable difference between a 28 and a 30...
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Yes the 30 is the angle. 813x19.9x30 ? Have not seen the 813 referenced anywhere Hmm 19.9 is with in talerence could probably go from 19.5 to 20+ I have run into some odd #s with the mallosi before.
I'll let you know how it matches the stock one. Not the direction I want to be going in though,should be here in a couple days I hope.
The 6112737 is the next thing close from malossi. The 6113148 is the recomended belt for the s200 from malossi We'll see.
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Yes, the 20 is no problem. If you check the manual, the service life is probably down to 17 or so. There is some play there.
But the 813 is the length. In fact, it measured out to a clean 32 inches!
Remember, this is a proprietary belt made for KYMCO. That is why you can not reference it anyplace.
The SYM is the same way. It is like 919, also made by Bando, and guys have tried belts that were "close", no joy.
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I found some info to cross reference it but it did take a russian translation And had the #s to show how they came up with it,but thats the way it go's we'll see.
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Oh ya, what a pain in the arse. My damn belt finally showed up. The post office lost it on the 19th and after a few complaints it showed up today. This is after they confirmed it was delivered to my door ::) (over a month to get a friken belt for this bike UUG!)
Oh well it is not any longer than the stock one, may be a hair shorter,the other was streached a bit :-\ not what i hoped for but will replace a stock one fine. Did not get to do a full throttle run on it yet but seems the same as the stocker. At least i'll be able to start trying to butten this one up.
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Well it can be done. Got the open air in, not dialed yet,lot of smog and STUFF to sort :D But runs fine just no speed record yet.
still think the tranny gearing is the bottleneck but has improved performance all the way through. Got to play with the cvt a bit more. I think my homemade spring has worked the best so far ::) and need to track down a little longer belt.
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..i know that on a 50 4t, once you open the intake, exhaust, head and cylinder, you can upgrade the gearbox...final drive...and gain over-all performance...
..it's a torque delivery difference that allows the final drive change...
..check bearings when you upgrade...
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Not sure if one exists but will be looking. I think i can get a bit more from the cvt. The motor puts the power out just seems to need a taller gear to be awsome! ;D
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Well some projects go better than others ::) If it there was a way to get delayed I ran into it (still not done!) So here's where I'm at.
Got the open air in, but to do this had to bypass alot of smog,vacuum and rebreather lines. Once done I had a little miss and an occasinal shut down at idle ??? In the heat it was acting like vaperlock and well It was(I think) As i went over things again I noticed the gas cap has no hole tapped through the top. So a little hole to let it breath and no more problem ;D (wonder how it breathed to begin with ?)
Finally got a chance to take this thing for a ride. One wrong turn and the next thing I know i'm on I-5 south bound out of portland (My first unplanned freeway trip)For those that don't know this is a stretch of road with no exits for nearly 8 miles and a 6% uphill grade woo hoo! Well It pulled the whole thing at an indicated 60mph didn't have much more to give but I was impressed and a little frightened,not the place i wanted to test right off :o
Turned around and came back down hill and noticed it was still topping out to early,so back to the drawing board. A little more jetting and some more holes in the exhaust and bingo!
Last test ride it was pushing 130klph rouphly 80mph indicated in the flats, It was a little doggy getting to that speed after the 55mph mark, so while chasing some other parts I found a malossi multivater kit for it :o
It has just showed up and they neglected to tell me the roller width and hight were going to change :-\ so only have the set it showed up with 11.5g I was running a set of dr pully 16g's
Anyway has an improved ramp angle and a larger diamater drive boss and the white spring,so I think i'm close to being done with this one, some more weights and I got a line on a longer belt. I might be able to put the cover back on soon. Maybe one more round of jetting. Ha! allready wondering it they have a drive face for this set ;) Cheers!!!
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I'm curious on the Malossi Variator. Which kit did you go with and can you give me the details of the roller weights? I'm getting ready to do some tuning on my S200 and don't want to rewrite what has already been figured out.
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Not all has been figured just yet ;) This thing has been a pain to get stuff for. Here's the kit. http://www.sip-scootershop.com/EN/Products/M5111545/Variator+MALOSSI+Multivar.aspx (http://www.sip-scootershop.com/EN/Products/M5111545/Variator+MALOSSI+Multivar.aspx) . This kit will change the the weight size to 20x17 and comes with a 11.5g set.(did not work well) I was running a dr pully set of 16g can't find them in the 20x17 so order at least a set of these http://www.sip-scootershop.com/Products/M6611095V/Variator+rolls+MALOSSI.aspx. (http://www.sip-scootershop.com/Products/M6611095V/Variator+rolls+MALOSSI.aspx.) my best result so far with stock set up. Still waiting for them to arrive so cant give a real opinion on this set yet.
So far the biggest and cheapest gain would be going to a 16g weight set little more air in and a little larger main jet. I would suggest a stiffer clutch spring but havent found the right one yet. The yellow 1500 seems too stiff and could not find the malossi white anywhere except in this variator kit.
Still a work in progress.
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Thanks for the information on the rollers on the Malossi... is that for the top end weights or better acceleration? Here's something you might be interested in. Custom Prima exhaust on the S200.
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Ha! I might be,but trying to keep the price down on this one :D What gains did you get out of the exhaust?
I found the take off on this bike in stock form more than enouph and running a little stiffer spring and heavier weight moved it to just off idle and pulled better throught the mid with more top speed potential with the air and jet mods. At one point had it pulling great all the way through topping just under an idicated 80mph,but with the new ver. and light weights don't know where i stand just yet. I may have over tinkered ;D.
I still think they used the wrong gear set at the factory to get great performance out of this model (top end). It appears to be the same as the 125 and 150 bikes,now if the 250 gears fit I think we would have something.
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I would have to agree with you there. I don't know of any 250 final gears available, or their specs. You know how Kymco is on the specs of parts and such... I'm guessing they do that to confuse the cheap knock-off junk out of the Kymco line (even though Kymco now has a plant in China).
As for the gains I've seen... I can easily hold 65mph on 3/4 throttle. Half a city block I can get it up to 50mph. As it sits, it's dialed in for this mod. The next mod I'm doing is going to be the Malossi Variator. Exhaust is the only mod I've done so far.
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You didn't need to upjet for the pipe?
When you have the cover off for the variater watch how the stock setup tends to rattle the belt around a bit,did not seem quite right the heavier spring will eliminate this,but i need the right weights to see if i gained anything out of this so far. I found a set of 14g local but didn't give me the top I had before. The take off and mid are great but i'm looking for a realistic top of 75+ to handle a short freeway trip now and then. The motor has the power but the gearing may be a road block. It does hit 55 pretty quick though :o
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Yes the 30 is the angle. 813x19.9x30 ? Have not seen the 813 referenced anywhere Hmm 19.9 is with in talerence could probably go from 19.5 to 20+ I have run into some odd #s with the mallosi before.
I'll let you know how it matches the stock one. Not the direction I want to be going in though,should be here in a couple days I hope.
The 6112737 is the next thing close from malossi. The 6113148 is the recomended belt for the s200 from malossi We'll see.
This SHOULD work:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bando-CVT-Belt-SYM-Joyride-RV-150-180-200-/230524082969?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35ac4e5b19 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bando-CVT-Belt-SYM-Joyride-RV-150-180-200-/230524082969?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35ac4e5b19)
819x19x30
6mm more should not e a big problem.
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Cool I'll have to check it out. Still waiting on the weights.Had a 830x20x30 on there it will work but a little loose for my taste.
Had to settle for a set of 15.5g rollers they don't seem to have as many choices for the 20x17 variater :P Would like at least a set of 16g dr pully or possibly more.
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While it does not appear to be an exact exact replacement, if it works properly it would be nice to have a (cheaper) source for a belt as KYMCO parts are a PITA to get.
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Cool I'll have to check it out. Still waiting on the weights.Had a 830x20x30 on there it will work but a little loose for my taste.
Had to settle for a set of 15.5g rollers they don't seem to have as many choices for the 20x17 variater :P Would like at least a set of 16g dr pully or possibly more.
The service manual indicates that the correct belt is a 781 x 20 x 30.
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It is NOT 781. I measured a new belt. It is not even close to 781
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After all that work I guess he just went out and brought a 300 GTI for more speed
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After all that work I guess he just went out and brought a 300 GTI for more speed
From a couple of years reading scoot forums.... that often seems to be the best solution......less aggravation and usually not much more $$ than price once you factor in your time, labor, parts & mods trials.
Certainly more dependable for daily transport and more reliable than home builds.
Stig
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Rev limiter disabled and some easy ......I wonder If it was every finished ???