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General => Kymco News => Topic started by: LidoCA on August 16, 2017, 03:26:09 AM
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I still have not heard anything about a U.S. release for these two scooters. All of the motorcycle mags/websites did a report on them, but still no news. The Spade and Like 150 are out. I wonder if they will wait until next year.
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they might want to work on getting some new dealerships to sell them in.
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Looks like the Xtown 300 and Xciting 400i are here. The reviews from a few people that test rode the Xtown in Columbus, were not glowing. The seat was on the list of poorly designed items. The Xciting sounds promising though, from their descriptions.
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Sure would be nice if Kymco USA would update their Web site.
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the Xciting 400Ri is $8K before taxes here in Canada. My local dealer has 5 already. Along with the Spade. No Like 150 yet.
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I went down to the dealer yesterday to check out the 400i. I found out that they had JUST received the Xtowns as well, one was built up already.
My biggest question about the Xtown has been, are the front footrests still too short for anyone that can sit on the bike without tipping it over?
The answer is NO, they have moved the footrests forwards, and it now sits exactly like the Xciting series of bikes.
Under seat storage: Visually, the 400i has a similar amount to the XC250, which is to say a decent (not Burgman-200 like, where you can stash a dead body, but decent) amount. The Xtown has even more, but its shape reminded me of the storage on the Forza (long/narrow).
Weight -> center stand: The 400i is about as easy to put on the center stand as the XC250. The 300i feels like a feather in comparison, and is extremely easy to put up, and I'm having a hard time believing that the bike weighs 430 lbs. based on how easy it was; I put all my 260lbs of weight on the center stand and almost thought that the bike was going to fly off the center stand due to how fast it got in the air.
Top speeds: The dealer was not doing test drives at this time. My highway travel is typically 70mph; the old XC250 was entering redline at 65mph so I didn't go faster than 65 on the XC250.
I am sure that the 400i can do 70 without redlining (the XC500 redlines at 75-78mph), but I wanted to know what speed red line was on the Xtown. Even more interestingly, there was no indication of red line on the tachometer, even though it went all the way to 10,000rpm. They said they would make some calls to find out; I will keep you posted if they are able to come through on the information.
No storage box options are available for either bike at this time, unless you're comfortable with building your own mounting plates; the grab bar/trunk mount assemblies on both bikes are different from the previous Xciting grab bars/trunk mounts. The Xtown grab bar had what looked like a flat platform which might be suitable for repurposing, for this, but the 400i did not.
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Redline for the Xtown 300i is at 65mph per the dealer. Same as the Xciting 250.
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I have an old 2012 300i and it has no red line on the tact. I saw 85 mph on the clock the other day , VERY BRIEFLY, and it was just about 7500 rpms.. I figure that if the factory wanted me to roll out at 6500, they would have put a red line there. First time I've run it that fast, but a line of 18 wheelers were going to make me miss my exit. I rarely every cruise above 65 ~ 70.
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The Downtown 300i motor is a completely different, and newer motor, than in the Xtown. The Xtown motor is an evolution of the 250cc motor used in the Xciting 250, GrandVista, and Bet & Win. The DT300i produces 29hp @ 299CC, while the Xtown 300i produces 23hp @ 276cc.
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The Downtown 300i motor is a completely different, and newer motor, than in the Xtown. The Xtown motor is an evolution of the 250cc motor used in the Xciting 250, GrandVista, and Bet & Win. The DT300i produces 29hp @ 299CC, while the Xtown 300i produces 23hp @ 276cc.
and there you have it. As I’ve said in the past the 300 is now a price point unit.
It looks great when one sees 3999.00.
As long as the rider has never rode a DT300 the Xtown may seem good. But it’s a shadow of the DT.
AMAC
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But... if you don't need to go faster than 65mph, the Xtown stomps on the Downtown and kicks it to the curb. Plenty of power up to 65mph, ABS up front, better mileage/range, and LEG ROOM. The XC250, which weighs the same as the Xtown, was fine up to 65mph (top speed was 75mph, with the tall windshield and 270lbs of rider and accessories), and the Xtown has even more oomph. I can totally understand why Kymco discontinued the Dt300i.
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The DT300i is the ONLY engine unit that is an honest 299 cc with, hmmmmm, more than adequate performance, quite reliable (several Kymco models have congenital troubles) and very good customer loyalty. THEY expect ME to swallow another "300" that has ONLY 273 cc and a PALTRY 23 hp just because it has ABS on the front only (half of what should be)??? Cold day in Singapore, mate! Will NOT part with my sweetie even with her warts for that. Bet the regulator-rectifier is the same part that eats stators! Nope. No way. Out.
Karl
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But... if you don't need to go faster than 65mph, the Xtown stomps on the Downtown and kicks it to the curb. Plenty of power up to 65mph, ABS up front, better mileage/range, and LEG ROOM. The XC250, which weighs the same as the Xtown, was fine up to 65mph (top speed was 75mph, with the tall windshield and 270lbs of rider and accessories), and the Xtown has even more oomph. I can totally understand why Kymco discontinued the Dt300i.
If I didn’t need to go faster than 65 I don’t need a almost maxi, and that’s what the Xtown is.
Many other better choices for city scoots. I’ve ridden both plus the 400 and if you want a ride capable of more than surface roads youll need the 400 to do the job of the old 300.
Here’s what the designers were looking for, $3999.00 and it’s not haveing the DT for lunch.
Why? Because on the way I’ll hit the highway and the xtown will have a hard time with that 70mph merge. I put 10,000 on a Downtown and many of those miles the new xtown won’t do.
Always been a kymco fan but this isn’t their best work.
Of course ya can’t tell if you haven’t ridden them.
AMAC
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I don't understand what the problem is. If you want a bike that's touring capable, like the old Dt300i, you can pick up an Xciting 400i, which is almost the same price as the Dt300i, has 7 more hp, front and rear ABS, and dual front disc brakes. The only thing not to like is the windshield - but then again, you have enough leg room that you won't need to install driver footpegs (which is a much bigger pain in the ass than replacing the windshield). Seriously, NOBODY would buy a new Dt300i with the Xciting 400i at dealers.
The Xtown is competing in the same space as the Honda Forza (there are some things the Forza does differently, and some things the Xtown does better), not the old Dt300i. This is why I made the caveat about not caring above 65mph; the Xtown will probably be able to maintain that on all but the steepest of hills.
Hopefully in the spring the dealer will have some test drives. I've only had the Forza for a few days and miss a lot of the convenience features on the Xciting that Kymco got right.
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I didn’t realize Honda was giving away Forzas. Last I looked they were just shy of 6k with dest charge.
An Xtown a hair over 4K otd. Not seeing where they compete directly except now both have a less than impressive power plant.
Sure I can buy a 400 to do what the old 300 did. Huh?
AMAC
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If I didn’t need to go faster than 65 I don’t need a almost maxi, and that’s what the Xtown is.
Many other better choices for city scoots. I’ve ridden both plus the 400 and if you want a ride capable of more than surface roads youll need the 400 to do the job of the old 300.
Here’s what the designers were looking for, $3999.00 and it’s not haveing the DT for lunch.
Why? Because on the way I’ll hit the highway and the xtown will have a hard time with that 70mph merge. I put 10,000 on a Downtown and many of those miles the new xtown won’t do.
Always been a kymco fan but this isn’t their best work.
Of course ya can’t tell if you haven’t ridden them.
AMAC
I'm with you ! The only trade(s)I'd consider would be the AK 550 or the XCiting 400.
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Pardon the necropost... ::)
Speaking of trades, on Monday, I am finally pulling the trigger on a brand spanking new Xciting 400i ;D ;D
I'll be trading in my lovingly maintained, trusty Honda PCX. I'll miss her, but I'll be able to take the new baby just about anywhere.
No promises, but I hope to be posting some threads on future mods once the Service Manual is available.
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Pardon the necropost... ::)
Speaking of trades, on Monday, I am finally pulling the trigger on a brand spanking new Xciting 400i ;D ;D
I'll be trading in my lovingly maintained, trusty Honda PCX. I'll miss her, but I'll be able to take the new baby just about anywhere.
No promises, but I hope to be posting some threads on future mods once the Service Manual is available.
Absolutely, let us know how it runs, any mods, anything. There is very little real world info or reviews out there on this one.
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Absolutely, let us know how it runs, any mods, anything. There is very little real world info or reviews out there on this one.
The biggest issue I have so far, is that there is an obvious and significant lack of available accessories, information, and details. That's the trouble when starting with a brand new model-year, I think. I've managed to find a windshield, and bits for another mod I have in mind (but I need an accurate, model-year specific wiring diagram!) and that's about it. I haven't even found a service manual online anywhere. (In English, that is) I'm contemplating calling US-HQ in Spartanburg to plead for a published manual.
I most certainly will be posting about its operation, handling, etc. as they come up. I would like to ask everyone to please keep in mind that the only thing I have to compare it against is a Honda PCX.
I hope this turns out as well as I expect that it will.
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the Xciting 400Ri is $8K before taxes here in Canada. My local dealer has 5 already. Along with the Spade. No Like 150 yet.
Wow, at $8000 that puts this Kymco 400 square against a Burgman 400. No way a Kymco should be competing straight on with a Suzuki.
They gotta knock $2000 off that price....and they'll still make a nice profit.
Stig
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Wow, at $8000 that puts this Kymco 400 square against a Burgman 400. No way a Kymco should be competing straight on with a Suzuki.
They gotta knock $2000 off that price....and they'll still make a nice profit.
Stig
If I understanding this correctly, the Canadian Dollar is worth 0.7923 USD.
So $8,000 Canadian is the equivalent of $6,338.49 US.
That means I must have gotten a tremendous deal on this brand new Xciting 400i, as I only paid $4,151.70 + $1,000.00 trade in for my Honda. Or rather, will pay it tomorrow.
Suddenly, I feel so much better now...
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That's a great price. I believe list price is somewhere around $5999.00
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That's a great price. I believe list price is somewhere around $5999.00
Until I saw Stig's post above, I had no idea how good a price it was!
Now if I could only get a Service Manual and find accessories/parts that easily!!
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To clarify >>>> you gave them $4150 USD plus your PCX? and you're out the door at that price?
Stig
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To clarify >>>> you gave them $4150 USD plus your PCX? and you're out the door at that price?
Stig
Yes, that's correct. Essentially, I got it at cost. $5,151.70 total.
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I just purchased a 2018 Xtown 300-I. I have to say that overall, I'm very satisfied with it. I paid $4800. out the door, tax, tags, the works.
Coming from a Super 8 150, I was at first a little disappointed in the performance, but as it's getting broken in & I'm getting used to it, it's more than adequate.
I've heard some complaints about the seat, which surprise me, because I've been riding & racing all kinds of bikes for over 55 years, and I think it's the most comfortable seat on two wheels.
I also like the suspension, sprung soft, but still handles as good as my Ducati. Storage space is good, but I added a large tail box, and was surprised to find four bronze, threaded lugs in the rear handhold for just such accommodation.
About my only complaint is with the windscreen. If it were just a little bit taller and shaped differently, you could avoid the wind blast that hits you right in the face at highway speed.
If anyone knows of any after market screens that are taller, please give me a heads up.
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I just purchased a 2018 Xtown 300-I. I have to say that overall, I'm very satisfied with it. I paid $4800. out the door, tax, tags, the works.
Coming from a Super 8 150, I was at first a little disappointed in the performance, but as it's getting broken in & I'm getting used to it, it's more than adequate.
I've heard some complaints about the seat, which surprise me, because I've been riding & racing all kinds of bikes for over 55 years, and I think it's the most comfortable seat on two wheels.
I also like the suspension, sprung soft, but still handles as good as my Ducati. Storage space is good, but I added a large tail box, and was surprised to find four bronze, threaded lugs in the rear handhold for just such accommodation.
About my only complaint is with the windscreen. If it were just a little bit taller and shaped differently, you could avoid the wind blast that hits you right in the face at highway speed.
If anyone knows of any after market screens that are taller, please give me a heads up.
All I can tell you is avoid Ermax. I hated the installation. What took me 35 minutes on the Honda with the National Cycle screen I put on her, took me over four hours with the X400i and that Ermax abomination. It's about 3" - 5" too short. Wind blasts me right in the face off of it.
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=25924.msg184982#msg184982 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=25924.msg184982#msg184982)
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As to fitting an Ermax screen on a scooter...
I loved the screen....bought two for my Burgman 400, a clear and a smoked. Easy installation and I found it perfect for my likes. And the price and shipment were easy.
His is a different scooter than yours....perhaps he'd have an experience like mine? (some folks like the stock Burgman screen - I found it impossible over 30mph!)
Stig