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Scooters - 125 to 300 => LIKE 200i => Topic started by: Ithaca Like 200i on August 01, 2016, 02:15:35 AM
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I got my 2013 Like 200i last spring, with just 500 miles on it. Since then I've put 3000 miles on it. It's a fun little ride. Sure beats driving a minivan.
I have noticed that the headlight is really dim. I want to replace it, mostly for safety. Seriously, at 30 mph I'm going faster than the headlight actually shines. Almost hit a deer because It was not illuminated until I was right on top of it. The focus appears to be correct, but there isn't much light.
I want to replace the headlight with a brighter one. The manual calls out a 35w/35w bulb for low/high beam, does not call out a part number. Obviously I don't want to use the same bulb model, I want to put in a much brighter bulb.
I have a couple concerns about putting in a higher wattage bulb, including heat, and also not having enough output from the alternator to properly operate and charge everything. I don't want to melt down the headlight housing, and I don't want to recharge my battery every couple days. A 60w bulb would be over 2 amps more current than the 35w bulb. I don't imagine that the alternator was designed to provide much extra current.
I'm sure somebody on the forums has replaced that bulb. I'm assuming that maybe a halogen or xenon bulb of the same wattage exists. Could you please tell me the bulb type and model number? I don't want to disassemble anything until I have the new bulb.
Thanks.
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Good topic, I'm looking at doing the same to my LIKE so will be interested in seeing what is recommended. I have a guess now and say that Stig will have an answer.
Paul
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go with a cree led h4!! no hassle no ballast last almost for ever
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Nope.
I got nothing.
This scooter does not have the best forward lighting.
This is very evident with oncoming car lights in your face.
You simply don't see much until that car passes.
I dealt with that again 15 mins ago.
My concern with replacement bulbs is:
1) heat
2) incorrect electrical draw
3) incorrect light pattern blinding oncoming drivers
Phillips and others make a direct replacement bulb with 30% brighter claimed.
I do know that our OEM bulbs dim over time. Popping in a new one would be a slight improvement.
I guess it is time to do some serious research for a new plug and play bulb that will not damage our scooter. Any lighting improvement will be good.
I'll be calling to ask bike/scooter shops across the USA.
OK LIKE owners....get to work!
Stig
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This light issue with this scooter is exactly why I never ride it on an unfamiliar road at night. !! Never.
The twin headlights on the Forza and Burgman were a revelation in night scooter vision! !
Stig
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The standard globe is a Philips HS1 12636 12v 35/35. I was looking at one of the Philips globes on ebay that said you get 30% better light but the markings were the exact same as my globe. Might have to study up on those cree led lights.
Philips also offer this one, interesting about the orange effect but wondering how it would stand out at day time.
http://www.mea.philips.com/c-p/12636CTVBW/cityvision-moto-motorcycle-headlights#see-all-benefits (http://www.mea.philips.com/c-p/12636CTVBW/cityvision-moto-motorcycle-headlights#see-all-benefits)
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The standard globe is a Philips HS1 12636 12v 35/35. I was looking at one of the Philips globes on ebay that said you get 30% better light but the markings were the exact same as my globe. Might have to study up on those cree led lights.
Philips also offer this one, interesting about the orange effect but wondering how it would stand out at day time.
http://www.mea.philips.com/c-p/12636CTVBW/cityvision-moto-motorcycle-headlights#see-all-benefits (http://www.mea.philips.com/c-p/12636CTVBW/cityvision-moto-motorcycle-headlights#see-all-benefits)
Hello Paul,
Just ordered one of the orange Philips lights from the U.K.
Probably illegal here in the States.
Give it a go. Thanks for info.
Stig
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Will be great to see your review on it. Going to give Philips Australia a call to find out if they have a dealer overhere who sells them. During the daytime I find that since my LIKE is white the headlight does not stand out at all.
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I looked into motorcycle driving lights to mount on the side of the front fender, but cost is crazy expensive for those things.
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After taking a closer look through the front lens, I see that it is a halogen bulb in there. I can see the black paint on the end.
The 12636-ctv-bw sounded like a good option, except when I tried to get one, a message came up that the bulb was not available to export to the US. Too bad, as a slight orange/yellow tinge can really cut through fog.
I looked at H1 bulbs on the Autozone website, All the H1 bulbs it listed there were single beam, not hi/lo. I know, I should probably be looking at motorcycle places. I've purchased all my other parts there, though, and they do carry some motorcycle parts.
What is the difference between H1 and H4 bulbs? The Cree LED is an H4 mount. Are they interchangeable? I assume Beermak was not proposing that I rewire the headlight. H4 bulbs are easily purchased. I would just have to make sure that the wattage was OK.
That bulb has to go. "High Beam Harry" came towards me the other night, I literally could not tell where the road was. I had to pull over until he went past.
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Just had to bit of a google to find out the differences : http://www.ehow.com/facts_6950432_difference-h1-h4-headlight-bulbs.html (http://www.ehow.com/facts_6950432_difference-h1-h4-headlight-bulbs.html)
The HS1 is a low powered version of the H4 and comes in both single and double filaments.
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When I am ready to upgrade I doubt if I will be getting the Downtown 350i, not only does it look crap in low beam with only one headlight on but I would prefer more visibility in the traffic.
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Seen plenty of sport bikes with one. Agree it looks goofy.....probably not too expensive to get it reworked at a shop...if you liked everythingelse about the bike.
I happen to like darn near everything Kymco designs.
But then I like most scooters.
Can't think of a newer maxi scooter that I dislike.
Some early Honda and Yamaha maxis were embarrassingly ugly....but some still loved them.
Stig
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Remember the old Honda 250, really loved the look of that and that was the first scooter I ever wanted.
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Well, I think I may have found part of the light issue. A about a week ago it rained, the bike would not start. Had to stick it on a charger for a few minutes. Then it sat for the weekend, was dead Monday morning. Charged it up again, for longer. Looks like the battery may be up for replacement. Prior to this there had been noting indicating a weak battery, had been starting easily.
I pulled the battery out, It was an Interstate YTX9, and the date on the battery was 10 years old. Makes me wonder what happened to the original battery, since it is a 2013 scooter.
I'm assuming that it can be replaced with an Interstate CYTX9-BS, or a Deka GTX9, or one of the same size batteries.
Another thing, why don't I find a list of all the standard maintenance parts, with part numbers for this bike? When I get a turning signal bulb for the car, the book calls out a 4157 NA bulb. Makes getting the correct parts easy.
Thanks for listening
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Well, I think I may have found part of the light issue. A about a week ago it rained, the bike would not start. Had to stick it on a charger for a few minutes. Then it sat for the weekend, was dead Monday morning. Charged it up again, for longer. Looks like the battery may be up for replacement. Prior to this there had been noting indicating a weak battery, had been starting easily.
I pulled the battery out, It was an Interstate YTX9, and the date on the battery was 10 years old. Makes me wonder what happened to the original battery, since it is a 2013 scooter.
I'm assuming that it can be replaced with an Interstate CYTX9-BS, or a Deka GTX9, or one of the same size batteries.
Another thing, why don't I find a list of all the standard maintenance parts, with part numbers for this bike? When I get a turning signal bulb for the car, the book calls out a 4157 NA bulb. Makes getting the correct parts easy.
Thanks for listening
Good battery for more juice...YUASA YTZ-12S
I have this in my LIKE200I, my Burgman 400 and my old Forza300 received one.
You will need to trim 5mm off of the two round hold down posts found under the battery cover. Use a hacksaw or a steak knife to trim them off...since this new battery is. 5mm taller than that old 9 battery. Otherwise both batteries are the same size.
You can buy them on Amazon.
You get more battery for only a bit more $ than the orig. battery. Your EFI scooter really likes a good battery!
I have a DIY on this installment here somewhere.
Stig
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I assume the Like 200 and Like 5 have the same bulb I got an 3 LED light off ebay for 13 dollars and you wanna talk about bright even the low beam is 10X brighter than OEM it was a direct fit and has a cooling fan on it the lil wire clip that holds the bulb on place was a bit of a paint but it all went in and been running it since May.
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I assume the Like 200 and Like 5 have the same bulb I got an 3 LED light off ebay for 13 dollars and you wanna talk about bright even the low beam is 10X brighter than OEM it was a direct fit and has a cooling fan on it the lil wire clip that holds the bulb on place was a bit of a paint but it all went in and been running it since May.
Pace,
How hot does the headlight cover feel after a half-hour?
There are no vents within the headlight housing.
Fan or no...seems like heat will build in there?
Stig
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Not that hot it's also also only 22W so less consumption the led has a large rear heating with a built in fan I've had no issues yet
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This is what I got off of eBay in hindsight and from others I would not use the spring (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/0bc58f2c7a9f4fe792f0214ac58eadf6.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/8398a80decea265ef921da7a2743ccfb.jpg)
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Thanks for the info.
Stig
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Silly question but I thought that LEDs did not give out heat.
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Silly question but I thought that LEDs did not give out heat.
Good question. ....
Stig
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The diode is run by electronics which give out alot of heat
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Here is an article
http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles/print/volume-8/issue-6/features/active-cooling-can-boost-lumen-output-in-led-lighting-magazine.html
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Here is an article
http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles/print/volume-8/issue-6/features/active-cooling-can-boost-lumen-output-in-led-lighting-magazine.html (http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles/print/volume-8/issue-6/features/active-cooling-can-boost-lumen-output-in-led-lighting-magazine.html)
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Interesting article, they are a lot more complicated than I thought.
Paul
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OK, it's been a couple weeks, real life kept getting in the way. I did get an LED headlight, Installed it. Here's a link to what I purchased:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291796762760 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/291796762760)
Packaging wasn't much, it was in an unmarked envelope with a foam holder that was notched to hold the bulb. This unit is huge compared to the original bulb.
The Osram bulb I pulled was rated at 720 lumens, this one is rated at 2000 lumens. I suspect that is overly optimistic, and probably more like 1500 lumens. The light is really blue, not the yellowish tint of the old bulb. It also also very bright compared to the old bulb.
The two LEDs are on top side of the unit when installed. The light pattern has a dark spot directly in from of the bike because of this. If I ever need a replacement LED I'll probably look for a light that is less blue, and has lights on more than one side.
The fan threw me off a bit, as when I turned the bike on it started to hum, I guess I wasn't expecting any noise.
The illumination is so much better that I couldn't believe the difference at first. It makes the other lights on the bike seem dark. I guess the next thing is to replace the running lights all around.
Thanks to this forum I realized that I could use an H4 bulb base as well.
I figured out a general rule of thumb is that you get 5x more light per watt as an incandescent bulb. That means If I replace a 5W bulb with a 1W LED I'll have about the same light. If I replace it with a 2W LED I'll get more than twice as much light.
Thanks for the feedback!
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Say ithaca...
How hot does the headlight lense feel after a 1/2 hour.
My concern is the heat build up inside the headlight enclosure since I don't see any way for venting off the heat.
Thanks
Stig
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The LED should run cooler than regular light the fan is there to keep the electronics cool my 3 LED headlight runs cool had it installed since May
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So ithaca,
Your headlight lense feels no warmer with your new bulb after 1/2 hour of operation?
Thanks
Stig
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The heat doesn't seem to be an issue. I replaced a 35w bulb with a 20w LED. It does get warm to the touch, but not hot. I have no problem keeping my hand on the headlight lens. I checked it after riding home from work, about a 15-20 minute ride. The old bulb was definitely warmer. The heat filters around the inside -of the headlight, just like the old incandescent. I think little fan on the end of the headlight distributes the heat fairly evenly in there.
I think heat might have been an issue if I had gone the other way, say using a 50w halogen H4 to replace the 35W HS2.
The safety improvement is excellent. I can see at least twice as far down the road as I could with the old light. In dawn/dusk lighting where I could not see a light there is now a bright spot on the road. I mentioned before that at 30mph I could not see the place I was going to be in a second. I was going faster than my headlight would shine for safe riding. That is not an issue now.
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I changed the headlight and the front running lights on the LX. See them side by side. Both engines running.
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The camera makes the new headlight seem broader. It actually covers the same area as the original, it's just a lot brighter.
New headlight is the 20w LED that Ithaca posted. The side lights are 1.5 watt LEDs from amazon. I don't ride at night very often, but I like the idea that I can see more.
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That... looks awesome!! Great improvement
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I need to change my running lights the HL outshines them and it don't look right
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Hello Paul,
Just ordered one of the orange Philips lights from the U.K.
Probably illegal here in the States.
Give it a go. Thanks for info.
Stig
Stig - any update on the orange Philips bulb?