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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Carol on March 14, 2010, 11:37:57 PM
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We bought this 2007, 200 People S new and have had the same problem since buying it. When I try to start it, it acts as thought the battery disconnects. The clock resets and the dash goes black. The dealer has *fixed* it three times and says the problem is that I don't ride it enough.....(it has 700 miles on it).....I would ride it if it started dang it!!!
Anyone have any ideas on what is causing this or what it will take to fix it?
Thanks in advance.
Carol
Central Minnesota
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My Vento does that as well. I've narrowed it down to a loose connection in the ignition. On yours it may also be a ground wire, probably on the starter, that has a weak connection. You can take it off and sand down the metal where it contacts to make sure it has a good connection. You may want to ask your dealer about replacing the ignition.
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We bought this 2007, 200 People S new and have had the same problem since buying it. When I try to start it, it acts as thought the battery disconnects. The clock resets and the dash goes black. The dealer has *fixed* it three times and says the problem is that I don't ride it enough.....(it has 700 miles on it).....I would ride it if it started dang it!!!
Anyone have any ideas on what is causing this or what it will take to fix it?
Thanks in advance.
Carol
Central Minnesota
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New owner of my ex. Piaggio Beverly 200 has the same issue.
I have never had it.
Not resolved yet AFAIK.
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wvlady63,
I purchased my 2007 people s 200 in April 2009 used with low miles. Had the same problem after roughly 1 month with it. (Former owner was friend and did purchase new battery before he sold it to me so battery wasn't the issue.)
What did the dealer "fix"? -New battery? New ignition switch? Starter? Starter relay?
I will be taking mine to dealer and would like find out similar circumstances before I go.
Also, have new problem!? Key will not turn in ignition. Can't open seat etc...
Anyone with any help?
Thanks.
Domo
LI NY
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Yo Domo! Hampton Bays indahouse! The key situation can easily be fixed w/ a little WD40. Spray a little in, and wiggle it yo! My feeling is the loss of power to the "systems" could also be caused/cured in the Ign. switch. Try it and see...
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Contacted the dealer again, while talking to them - mentioned this forum and the scooter is going back to the shop for a new ignition.
Dealer had not checked the ignition, just the battery and the starter. The scooter has had a new battery twice, and a new stater (whatever that is).
The issue we have been having with this scooter has been present since bringing it home new in '07. I don't know what other options I have regarding this, if it is not the ignition.
Frankly , It just might be the worst purchase I have ever made....... and then it may been one of the best. Can't beat the gas mileage when it does start.
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I had the same problem with my 2007 People S 200 when I bought it used (with 475 miles) in January 2009. The clock would reset on starting if I let the scooter sit without riding for over a day or so. The original owner told me she always kept it on a battery tender when not riding.
What happens is that the starter motor places a high load on the battery, causing the battery voltage to drop to below what's necessary to maintain the state of the electronics (including the clock). This can be caused by poor connections, but is commonly caused by an old battery which can't put out the cranking Amps that it did when new, or a low-quality battery with insufficient cranking power.
The fix was a new good-quality battery - a sealed Yuasa YTX7A-BS. It's been working perfectly for over a year now. I'm suspicious of the quality of the original battery that came with the scooter, and of the bargain-priced replacement batteries.
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The fix was a new good-quality battery - a sealed Yuasa YTX7A-BS. It's been working perfectly for over a year now. I'm suspicious of the quality of the original battery that came with the scooter, and of the bargain-priced replacement batteries. As well you should be. They are garbage. My stock was an h-4 lead acid that has been replaced w/ a h-5 gell cell (Interstate). Hopefully the dealer will change out the switch, and all will be good in the world again. If not an amp meter hooked in series from the battery will tell if there is too much current being drawn for the system. The meter can be moved to find the faulty component. A quick voltage drop test will show if abobotek has it right. Simply hook a voltmeter across the battery, note the voltage, and crank the engine. It should be approx. 12v+ sitting, and no less than 10v cranking. If it falls below 10 volts that is the reset voltage for most all electronics, including the cdi. If it does go below 10, you need to find the cause w/ the ammeter.
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The battery was removed and used to start the kymco venox sitting next to it in the garage. Fired right up.......go figure!
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The 2 different machines will react differently to the same battery. If there is a fault in the people, it will not show up in the other. Or if the batt is marginal at best, it may start one but not the other.
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Use lock graphite if you are going to lube the ignition lock. You can get it at most locksmiths and many larger key suppliers. It comes in a small white tube and blows graphite into the lock. It doesn't dry out or gum up like some oil based lubricants. It is often sold mounted to a card on the rack with the key rings and other such items.
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Finally was able to turn key with a little wd-40 and a lot of elbow grease. Was afraid I was going to break key. Still does not turn smoothly and key not gets stuck IN ignition, but it is "working".
Once key worked I purchased yuasa battery this weekend, not intentionally - just by what parts rep recommended($100!!). Put it in and it started right up! Last summer I was letting it run for an extra 15 min or so (short ride to work - 10 min) after each ride so it would have enough juice for the next start.
With this "quality" battery will I still need to do that or should a tender be used regardless?
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The 10 minute ride is enough to keep the battery in top shape. I have never used a tender for any of my bikes/scooters. If it will be laid up for an extended period I found it easier to remove the battery from the scoot, and store it out of the way. When the scoot is going to be used again I will then put it on a Quick charge. Yusa Makes a good battery, but 100.00 sounds a little on the steep side to me. I purchase several dozen Marine deep cycle, and cranking batteries a year thru Interstate, and they average $49-63.00. I would look around a little ,find some reasonable prices, and bring it to the attention of your vendor. I think he may have added a $40.00 dinner to the bill.
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WVlady and Domo. You may both want to check your idle speed to make sure it's up where it should be. If it's too low, the battery may not be getting charged at all at idle.
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New battery and so far so good! Starts immediately and all components including clock functioning. Now just waiting for dryer weather to hit it everyday. Will need to use it everyday for a few weeks to be confident.
Key issue still not completely resolved. Continues to stick, hard to turn, gets stuck etc... Purchased graphite "liquid". Much of a difference between liquid and powder?
BTW - thanks for all the help. Lots of info.
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I think they may have added a little something to make it easier to flow. Try putting some on the key (lite toothpaste) and then inserting it in to push it all the way into the lock. See if moving the key in an out a few times doesn't move the stuff around and loosen it all up. Repeat on the bottom side of the lock if the paste sticks well enough.
I am not a locksmith but the mail box the post office provided in our neighborhood was the same way until I did something like this.
Good luck!
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Mostly the liquids will flow, and carry away the junk (oxidation) from the affected area. I would try wd-40/PB Blaster... first. once the tumbler is cleared of garbage, the graphite will maintain
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People S had a bad regulator........replaced, now we is on the move again!!!!!!Yippee ;D
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..WOOO-HOOO!!!!!...
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Had the scooter on the highway, loving the bugs hitting the face shield!!!
Walked into the dealership where the scooter was purchased and in the shop numerous times, and the guy's facial expression when he saw me walk in yesterday was priceless!!!
I wonder what exactly he was thinking the minute he saw me? :o
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I bet it was... I HOPE she didn't bring that scooter back! Glad to hear you are enjoying it. We get what they call Love Bugs here in north fl. They fly about in swarms of mating pairs. They have NO natural enimies in the US, and have taken over. you don,t want to smile on your scoot when they are here.
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*cuss word* thing is doing it again........I think I am going to just give up on this POS and buy something else!!!!
3 year old scooter that has 700 miles on it ONLY because it won't friggin run......wth!
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There is another poster here that had a similar issue. The dealer replaced the scoot, as it was in so many times for the same issue. They said it may have been a fault in the harness. Perhaps someone could chime in w/ who, and where this was.
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I have had the same issue since buying it new in 2007, is the dealer responsible to either fix it or replace it seeings it is 3 years old?
Pretty disappointed in the whole situation really. The dealer I bought it from, doesn't sell Kymco anylonger....... how is that supposed to work?
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...yeah, i think your warranty has ran out, but it only has 700 miles on it...
..it's worth a try....
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lets see if anyone can find those other posts to confirm if it was the same scoot. I think 3 years is a bit too long to cry foul, but it may help some to show the records of the repairs vs the service you got from the scoot. Just for the record Why did you wait soooo long to approach fixing it?
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Was it New People 150 stalls intermittently, by Lammy1000, in Technical/How to? Lives in New York.
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...it was a way older post...lammy has had problems with an upgrade...
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Yeah that was the post. I was thinking it was a 2oo people
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History of this scooter and it's shop visits.
Purchased 2/08 (in Minn, snow until June)....ran approx 100 miles (back and forth to work) stranded me at work once, in the shop july-aug 08, dealer replaced the battery and the stater.
Sept 08 ran for another 250 miles with repeated failure to start, put in the shop for repair/ diagnose the problem. Took the dealer so long to get to it, made arrangements to just store the scooter for the winter, Oct thru March of 09.
April 09 retreived from storage, Battery replaced May 09 after repeated failure to start. Back in the shop in June for failure to start. Dealer didn't get around to checking it for a few weeks due to alot of other bikes in for either repair or check-ups. I did call frequently to get update on the progress or lack thereof on the scooter.
July , August, Sept, drove it a few hundred miles between shop stints.......It has been in the shop so many times, I don't remember each time it has been in there.
This last visit was May when the dealer replaced the regulator. It started and ran perfect for a few days, and now we are back to the thing acting like the battery disconnects when I hit the elelctric start.
If this were a car, I would give it back claiming the lemon law!!!!!
Carol
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It's obvious your dealer is not getting it. Perhaps you can take it to another recommended mechanic. I still feel the trouble is in the key switch or the associated wiring, and interlocks. A GOOD mechanic should be able to nail it down in a few hours. I understand your disappointment, and feel I have to point out the real problem appears to be the dealer, and not the scoot. Once this simple problem is sorted out I'm sure you will enjoy the scoot for many years to come.
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I know the frustration you are feeling. My wife's new 2009 People 150 (bought in April 2010) would start and run great but would just stall while cruising. The bike would then start right back up again, then stall 1 to 10 miles later. The dealer replaced many electrical parts in the ignition system without success and said my wife would get a replacement if the problem was not fixed. More time went by with the scoot in the shop and I felt I was getting f---cked, so after going postal in the dealership, the scoot was replaced. The last straw was when the Kymco factory rep want the tech to start checking harness connections and possibly reharness/wire the machine. Current People runs great and I am lusting to get a Kymco 250.
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History of this scooter and it's shop visits
..you should send these posts, and all your receipts to KYMCO...
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I have called and left a message with Kymco. I will hopefully get some response before I die of old age.
As for now, I will return the scooter to the dealer, and let him stare at it in amazement til he dies of old age!
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:-\ .....dang...and i mean it... :-\
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Update:
Scooter had to be pushed home from work last night, completely PO'd the husband.
Called SC Kymco USA, received a return call from Chip - this model was recalled in 2007 for the same issue I have been having!
My dealer dropped the ball big time!
Chip stated that the *marker lights* draw power from battery while the machine is running, hence dead battery .
Scooter will need battery, stator, regular and dummy lights and should be good to go. All will be replaced free, warrantee has run out, but the ongoing issues should have been dealt with by the dealer and he failed to heed the recall that Kymco sent.
Thank you Chip for the information!
Chip also said that he will contact the dealer regarding getting me on the road again.
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...hot frikin damn!!
..there is justice in the world after all.....
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Wvlady... You ROCK! Go get 'em tiger!
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Willie Nelson - On the Road Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TD_pSeNelU#lq-lq2-hq)
I love success stories :)
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thanks peeps!
Sometimes a person just has to get mad, and things start getting done!
Carol
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see manual on repairs or troubleshoot Kymco scooters Peoples 200 and more etc.
http://www.49ccscoot.com/manuals/Kymco_People_S_50-200_Service_Manual.pdf (http://www.49ccscoot.com/manuals/Kymco_People_S_50-200_Service_Manual.pdf)