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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 500 => Topic started by: Dr. Scooter on February 13, 2010, 04:09:38 PM
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Has anyone wired around this yet. I have a problem knee and it is hard to put it up on the center stand to start it and let it warm up so i wanted to use the side stand if i can wire around it
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I didn't know those had a safety switch on the center stand! I don't have your model, so I can't speak from experience, but I'm sure you can just ground the switch to bypass it. If you have a voltmeter it should be relatively easy to figure out.
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I didn't know those had a safety switch on the center stand! I don't have your model, so I can't speak from experience, but I'm sure you can just ground the switch to bypass it. If you have a voltmeter it should be relatively easy to figure out.
The safety switch on the 500 is on the side stand. If you have it down, the scoot won't start. The starter turns the motor, but all you'd get is a dead battery eventually. If you are idling and put the side stand down, the engine is killed.
I am developing a bad knee. It won't be too long before putting a bigger scoot on the center stand is going to be a pain for me (pun intended). It would be nice to be able to warm the bike up while on the side stand.
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Hey Rick I will do some research and see what it takes to get to it and wire it to where it can be bypassed
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Well, there's a good reason for that switch. It's not a good idea to let the bike run on its kickstand, since the rear wheel is turning until the bike warms up. If the rear wheel touches the ground (impossible on the center stand, unless the rear is overloaded), your bike takes its own ride, brief as it is... and it doesn't end pretty.
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Hince the parking break. I know there are pros and cons to doing this but what about the riders who cant get it on the center stand I did some testing earlier and the parking break on my bike holds pretty darn good
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Just locate the switch, and either butt connect the wires together or cut one off. I would try cutting one wire off first because if they must continue a circuit they will both have to be cut anyway. Taa Daa!
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I plan on cutting the both and using bullet connectors
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The side stand switch has three wires going to it. One is a common ground which looks like it is green. A second wire (Y/G) goes to the ignition module and it looks like a ground is applied to the module when the stand is in the up condition. A third wire (Y/B) goes to the instrument cluster side stand LED. The ground is removed from the ignition module and applied to the third wire to light the LED in the stand down position. So it looks like you need to apply the ground to the ignition module to simulate a 'stand up' condition. At least that's the way it looks from the wiring diagram. I would double check the switch operation just to make sure.
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If there is no error in the wiring diagram jrd is correct. Couple of connectors should solve your problem. But don't forget that parking brake. I know the side stand switch is a pain sometimes, like when I got to get off to raise the garage door and have to restart... I try to remember the remote, but sometimes forget an leave it in the car. I have thought about doing the same, but so far I have put up with it for safety.
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I just dont want to always fight it on the center stand when I get home from work when I am tired or the next morning. On another note I am looking for a muffler cover if anyone knows of one the help is appreciated greatly
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Does anyone know if there is possibility of harming anything by warming the scoot on the side stand, other than the risk of unscheduled take off? Wouldn't be the same thing as warming it while you sit on the bike?
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As long as oil level is ok, I cannot think of a problem. I've ridden all kind of bikes for years and never heard of an issue with them running while on the side stand. My son's sport bike does not even have a center stand, nor does the VTX I used to have. The xciting does not lean very far on the side stand anyway. That engine should run in most any position as long as the carb works and it can pick up oil in the sump.
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Do you mean the muffler guard? If so, I know where there is one with a slight crack. Should be usable, though. When I got my '07 Xciting 500 a week ago, I noticed the muffler guard was cracked so the dealer took one off a new 500 and installed it on mine before delivery. If they've still got the old one maybe you could get it from them. You'll need the 4 bolts which hold it too. Can always get those from hardware store if necessary.
The crack is noticible but they had been riding the scooter with that guard. Will try to post a pic of it on the scooter. http://allaboutscooters.com/contact.html (http://allaboutscooters.com/contact.html) This link is to their contact page where you can email or call them.
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trying to post a link to picture of that guard(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac134/Hepafilter_2010/IMG_0017.jpg)
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Hey man I know where that is. That gaurd can be EASILY repaired w/ epoxy putty, and a little paint. Matching the body color might be nice!
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As long as oil level is ok, I cannot think of a problem. I've ridden all kind of bikes for years and never heard of an issue with them running while on the side stand. My son's sport bike does not even have a center stand, nor does the VTX I used to have. The xciting does not lean very far on the side stand anyway. That engine should run in most any position as long as the carb works and it can pick up oil in the sump.
I have seen in this thread, and other places, that the back wheel will turn until the scoot warms up. I assume there is something warming in the clutch. So, if that back wheel can't turn during the warm up, it won't hurt th clutch or other stuff?
.. and yes, I'm probably paranoid, but it is a nice Red and Black scoot that fits me rather well, and I don't want to blow it up :-)
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The only reason the back wheel sometimes turns during warm up is due to the choke being on. It increases the engine rpm and can be enough to spin the clutch fast enough to engage. I always warm up my scoot on the side stand and it has never tried to take off on me. The rear wheel doesn't have enough drive force behind it to actually move the weight of the scoot. Or rather it doesn't spin the clutch fast enough to really grab, it just light rubs so the wheel will spin if there is no resistance, but not with any weight on it. I would think for the bike to take off on you would mean you need to do some serious adjustments to your carb!
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No harm at all. The clutch is centrifugal, and dry.
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Shaka, did you bypass the side stand switch? Now that we are discussing it, I am considering it as well. Sometimes it is an annoyance when I forget something and want to get back off and on to have to stop and restart the scoot. I know it only takes a second but it still annoys me. Just have to remember to not absentmindedly twitch the throttle... ;D
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Hey guys. Easy. remove the side panel and remove the switch by removing the 10mm nut, it only holds the switch in position. You can then cable tie the swith to the frame and fit it back any time. just turn the switch so that the motor starts. U can even use the switch as a hide away anti theft switch by turning it on by hand
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Hey guys. Easy. remove the side panel and remove the switch by removing the 10mm nut, it only holds the switch in position. You can then cable tie the swith to the frame and fit it back any time. just turn the switch so that the motor starts. U can even use the switch as a hide away anti theft switch by turning it on by hand
That's not a bad idea! No, I didn't by-pass my switch, my ZX50 doesn't have any safety switches on the stands. I sure would remove them if it did though! ;) That would be annoying!
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In defense of the safety switch, and in the interest of a funny story, I want to offer the following:
Back when I was younger, searching for a woman to ride on the back of my Harley, I finally found one. Nice looking, good smile and sense of humor, long hair, sweet mouth, "Hop on," I said. And away we went. I was feeeeeeeling gooooood.
Stopped for gas, forgot to raise the side stand, and when I leaned to maneuver a curve the side stand kept the bike upright and over the curb I went. Both of us sprawled on the grass. Nothing hurt but my pride.
Oh yeah, she didn't want to ride with me again. It took several beers and some flowers to overcome.
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Did she marry you? I leave out ALL the time w/ the side stand down. I have to stand in a weird sort of way to kick start, and hold the choke on. If I don't fall over on my own it is a victory in itself. So the kickstand is not in my thoughts at all. I think iolite has the cure for the ? tho! In reflection I dont think I have ever seen a runaway scoot on the news. However I hear there is a ground hog eating its way thru Crow-atia. Now that has me concerned!
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Even though I am not a religious son-of-a-b*tch (http://is.gd/8xA88), I live by the simple Biblical maxim: Do what thou wilt, if it harm none (except your own dumb a$$, possibly). ;)
I can say I have personally witnessed a scooter dump at least a half-dozen times where someone started the bike on its side stand, and left it running, unattended.
I've considered removing the kickstand on my P250, as I never use it. Never. For one thang, it seems to me to be at least an inch too short, if not 1.5". While sitting on the kick, a good, stiff breeze could blow it over, I have no doubt. Also, I think the bike looks cooler when parked up on its center stand -- let alone knowing that it's definitely more secure that-a-ways.
Were it me, and my bike were too heavy for me to put on its center stand, I would get a smaller bike.
Then again, you know what a stick-in-the-mud I am -- if the bike's not fast enough, I'd buy a bigger one, too, rather than to start doing mods out the yang. ;)
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Was gonna bring up that point about riding off with the sidestand down too! It will either dump you on your right side at the first left turn you try to make or at the very least give you a real good scare. Just pray it doesn't happen in traffic!
Here's a couple more that we should remember and newbies note: Riding across a slight bump or elevation with sidestand down can cause the same thing. Also, if you happen to want to roll your scooter backward, say, out of the garage or wherever it's kept, if there's a slight bump or rise there --same thing. Another instance is when unloading bike from a truck or trailer . . . roll it back . . . everything's fine till you start down the ramp . . . sidestand down will dump it right on whoever's standing on the right side.
Last one: If the scooter is on center stand and, for whatever reason, the sidestand is down too -- like maybe you've been fooling around with it or working on it. . . then, when rocking it OFF the centerstand, the sidestand hits ground with force and over you go. Of course that safety switch isn't gonna save you in either of those cases unless you tried to start the motor.
Yep, I learned all these the hard way. :) Thank goodness I learned em before graduating to bigger heaver machines!
I put the 500 on the center stand yesterday for the first time just to see what it was like. She's somewhat of a heffer alright. But no more difficult than any other large bike as I recall. Yeah there's definately a technique to doing it. With small bikes n scooters you simply drop the center stand and pull the machine up onto it. For the heavier ones you've got to push down on the foot pedal/lever of the stand with a lot of controlled grunt while also lifting with right hand on the grab bar. It's a full body extension which involves your back as much or more than the arms or leg. Only takes a few times practice to get it though. Put your BACK into it.
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Hoolander2, you hit every button w/ me. I am that guy! I just wish I had enough $'s to wear a new pair of socks EVERY DAY! My scoot is 1-1/2" too tall for the kick stand. I put a piece of pipe over the stub (minuses the foot) Looks cool from my house!
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Only on a soft surface I use the side stand (and a plate under the side stand like this:
http://www.bestereste24.de/index.php?topic=artnr_gr&artnr_gr=10026466 (http://www.bestereste24.de/index.php?topic=artnr_gr&artnr_gr=10026466)
), because the center stand hasn't much contact area.
Don't try to disable the safety switch in Europe! Your bike will continue the travel on a tow car and you with your own feet (or train).
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Going on day 5 with the switch off I use my park brake every time I park SO MUCH NICER
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There is no need to remove the sensor or cut anything to bypass the safety switch.
There is a bypass already on the bike!
It's located in the "Spark Plug Access Panel", resting ontop the fuel tank.
Just open that up, reach in, and unplug the current connector, and plug in the other one that's laying there.
This way you will still get the "sidestand down" light on the dash, but won't prevent you from turning the bike on.
Just make sure you use the hand brake anytime you are going to start it this way or that you are on and holding onto the brake.
I engage the handbrake when I park anyway so no danger of it getting away from me.
Just remember to kick the stand up!
-Sergio
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Even though I am not a religious son-of-a-b*tch (http://is.gd/8xA88), I live by the simple Biblical maxim: Do what thou wilt, if it harm none (except your own dumb a$$, possibly). ;)
I can say I have personally witnessed a scooter dump at least a half-dozen times where someone started the bike on its side stand, and left it running, unattended.
I've considered removing the kickstand on my P250, as I never use it. Never. For one thang, it seems to me to be at least an inch too short, if not 1.5".
You should see what it feels like to leave on a side stand small Kymco, for example Cobra 50 or Agility 125.
Feels even worse than big Kymcos.
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Even though I am not a religious son-of-a-b*tch (http://is.gd/8xA88), I live by the simple Biblical maxim: Do what thou wilt, if it harm none (except your own dumb a$$, possibly). ;)
I fast enough, I'd buy a bigger one, too, rather than to start doing mods out the yang. ;)
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This is either a Wiccan quote or part of a quote by the infamous satanist named Alester Crowley. Look it up.
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the switch can be unbolted and tied up to the frame, once it is unbolted there is a small plate on the switch which is turned by the side stand when it is bolted up and rotates the switching mechanism.... with the engine switched to the start position ie all the warning lights come on push on this plate to rotate the switch until the fuel pump can be heard to run ...in this position the scoot can start while the switch is tied up ...initally the red "stand down " light may be on you need to turn the swith using the little plate until the light goes out ...if the engine wont fire you have turned it to the Stand Down position and it wont start even though the light may or may not be on ..you need to back it off a bit untill the pump whirrs then it will start and the light will be out as well...I find that the switch while tied up has a tendency to turn slowly to the "red light on "position due to movement between the little plate and the plastic tie I used to attach it to the frame...I intend to put a small blob of silastic on the switch to prevent this...the action of pushing the plate and turning the switch around is fairly stiff so if you expect it to just whizz around... it doesnt
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more on this...the scoot does not try to run away while idling with the stand down and the switch disconnected. If you leave it to idlel for a lengthy period the electric cooling fan will cut in...no different to being in sloooow traffic
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Nothing personal but the side stand is nothing but dead weight and a hazard ;D ;D ;) It can't be trusted and you don't want to corner into it.
Just use the center stand. REALY!!! :-*
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Urbestfriend did his a couple of weeks ago. The access, although not easy is thru the cover
on the hump where you have access to the gas tank. The previous explanation on the wire colors is
accurate. I put a off-on switch (You know..with the plastic cover that turns it off / used for racing /
$8.00 at Pep Boys ) on the Left Dash and ran the wires thru that switch. I had a small 4 terminal block
and cut the wires connecting them back into each side of the block. You will likely have to cut some
of the rubber cover loom back too to get enough wire exposed to work with.
This Bike is really heavy and you're right, it's not easy to pick up, let alone just roll it around.
I added the switch in case of a causual stop. I can leave the bike running to keep my lights on.
Unless your idle is too high or your off-spring mess around on it, It's likely not going anywhere.
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..more mods to th' x500!!
;D
..i removed my kickstand because it kept rubbing th' road on left-hand turns...
..very annoying...
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Nothing personal but the side stand is nothing but dead weight and a hazard ;D ;D ;) It can't be trusted and you don't want to corner into it.
Just use the center stand. REALY!!! :-*
It can be useful to have a side stand.
On older bikes, central stand tends to crack and very often you have to weld it back.
It happened to me on one of my 50 cc scoots after just 3 years.
It is useful to have side stand in that situation.
Furthermore, it can have some other useful applications.
For example, sometimes the center stand can get in the way when you are doing something on the bike and center stand can help in that.
Side stand can be useful when you are washing the scoot. I use automatic coin type washer, and after washing I put it on the side stand that enables the water to drain away more easily.
Very, very rarely, you have to park your bike somewhere where there is no solid ground under the center stand, but there is on the side stand.
I use center stand all the time and side stand in very rare cases, but think it is useful to have it.
p.s. A number of new motorcycles have ONLY side stand, not center stand at all!
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There is no need to remove the sensor or cut anything to bypass the safety switch.
There is a bypass already on the bike!
It's located in the "Spark Plug Access Panel", resting ontop the fuel tank.
Just open that up, reach in, and unplug the current connector, and plug in the other one that's laying there.
This way you will still get the "sidestand down" light on the dash, but won't prevent you from turning the bike on.
Just make sure you use the hand brake anytime you are going to start it this way or that you are on and holding onto the brake.
I engage the handbrake when I park anyway so no danger of it getting away from me.
Just remember to kick the stand up!
-Sergio
I did as Sergio mentioned above on my '09 500i and it works fine, but I don't get any sidestand light when the bike is running either with the stand up or down. Doesn't matter to me and now I can let the bike warm up a bit while putting my helmet on b4 my ride or when I get home and open the garage door I can let it idle and not have to turn it off and re-start to drive it in!
Below is a picture showing the connections. The one by my finger is the original connector that I disconnected and plugged in the other one that has the 2 green wires.
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Another option is to take the bike to a welder and have the centerstand lever for your foot lengthened to give you more leverage or have the stands legs shortened so it doesn't have to go up so high. The poor mans fix would be to put a piece of scrap wood or a piece of rubber mat down where you park. Roll to where the rear wheel is on it but the centerstand won't be. If you find the thickness you like then you'll know how much to shorten the centerstand if you decide to do it.
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On my Yager, you can bypass the kickstand switch by placing a spare fuse in the open fuse holder on the left end of the fuse box.
Richard L.
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I did as Sergio mentioned above on my '09 500i and it works fine, but I don't get any sidestand light when the bike is running either with the stand up or down. Doesn't matter to me and now I can let the bike warm up a bit while putting my helmet on b4 my ride or when I get home and open the garage door I can let it idle and not have to turn it off and re-start to drive it in!
Below is a picture showing the connections. The one by my finger is the original connector that I disconnected and plugged in the other one that has the 2 green wires.
i tried to find the connections mentioned by sogni x, but can't seem to find any spare connectors just laying around... what i found when i opened the access panel are four pairs of wires on four connectors.. can't find any extra wire just laying there... do they have it in all models?
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Scoota, what exact year bike is that picture from. There may be a differance between the carbed and fuel injected bikes? :-*
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Mary, that looks same same as on my '09 injected model, I switched the plugs and disabled the side stand kill switch. I haven't looked in the '06 carbed model, but I bet it's the same.
I like being able to get past gates and doors without shutting the scoot off, and warming at idle while I'm astride, but leaving it unattended is just bad form, so if it ghosts away on me sometime, it'll be my own damn fault.
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i'm going to have "judge" serviced this afternoon.. i would try to ask if they would disable the switch for me...
will also try to ask them about the extra connector that's supposed to be there...
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just had "judge" serviced today...
service center won't take of the switch.. they say they can't do it, that it wasn't safe...
oh well...
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...you can jump that switch out yourself...
..fairly easy to do, just snip and splice...
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my unit is still under warranty though, and i don't want to give them any reason to void my warranty if they find out next time i bring my bike in for service...
anyway, judge has been with me for the past 8months from new and i am only able to clock in less than 1,500mi... :(
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...yeah, that warranty stuff...its some good stuff...
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...you can jump that switch out yourself...
..fairly easy to do, just snip and splice...
IS the switch hardwired, or are there connectors on the wires? If there are aires, couldn't a jumper be made fairly easily, allowing the modification to be easily reversed?
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There is one male connector, and two female connectors down in there.
If your side stand shutoff switch is currently operational, simply unplug the male connector and plug it into the other female connector. Now your engine will run with the side stand down.
Just switch the plugs, that's why they're there, to circumvent the shutoff, or to restore its function.
Don't cut any wires, don't add any fuses, and do not, under any circumstance, dick around with any of the other sh** down in there, don't even look at it, it's off limits, you're lucky we even let you disconnect the side stand, so you better not roll that throttle to impress some hotties without you on it, or that 500X is going for a little ghost ride, and it weighs 437 pounds and will definitely f*** sh** up.
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Dude, what's with the language? Tone it down a notch. And thanks for the info. I'm going to disconnect mine as I don't want to be in a rest area 500 miles from home only to have my bike not start because the side stand switch gives up the ghost. :-*
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...yeah, if you do disable the switch....NEVER FORGET to put that stand into its retracted position before launch...
..it will be embarassing to say the least....
..especially if your first move is a left-hand swoop...
..likely find yourself half-pinned beneath 440lbs of steel and tupperware...
:-*
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Yes, I have done that in the past. Sat & let the bike warm up, take off, lean to turn left only to be kicked straight up again. Probably will do it again, but it would be so nice to start the bike & let it warm up while putting on helmet & such without having to set on the bike. Mine starts and idles very low, so there is no broblem with it taking off on me? :-*
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Might be nice to have it light a light on the dash to warn you not to drive off?
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i love the side stand. I love the center stand. I am on my third muffler cover. My scoot lives outside and big rain the other day and it sunk in the driveway on the center stand fell over, bent the right brake lever, broke the muffler cover and scratched the large chunk of plastic surrounding the light. She is not petite my snow white but i love her anyway. I will take her back to the scooter shop and deposit a pound of flesh to beautify her again.
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if I was parking my scooter outside , I would install a couple of 2 x 2 cement pads in the ground to park on , much cheaper than scooter parts, the best of the season , Merry Xmas All,,,
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I would install a couple of 2 x 2 cement pads
..or a piece of treated 2 X 6...
...SOMETHING!!!!!!
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When I live in a house with no garage I put 2 2x12x10s together and ran it up onto the porch. kinda fun and scary at the same time :p
how long do you warm it up?? I maybe warm it up for 30 seconds.... MAYBE just me I guess :p
later
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Not long, but it would be nice to put on jacket and such as bike runs. :-*
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my warm up is put on gloves & drive nice & slow for 1/2 mile, then head for the hills, 300i DT. Merry Xmas every one & a happy new year,.,
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There is one male connector, and two female connectors down in there.
If your side stand shutoff switch is currently operational, simply unplug the male connector and plug it into the other female connector. Now your engine will run with the side stand down.
Just switch the plugs, that's why they're there, to circumvent the shutoff, or to restore its function.
Don't cut any wires, don't add any fuses, and do not, under any circumstance, dick around with any of the other sh** down in there, don't even look at it, it's off limits, you're lucky we even let you disconnect the side stand, so you better not roll that throttle to impress some hotties without you on it, or that 500X is going for a little ghost ride, and it weighs 437 pounds and will definitely f*** sh** up.
down where boss? can't seem to find any extra female connectors either by the carb service hole or down by the side stand switch... could it be that they don't have the extra female connector in some of 'em 500s???
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Inside the spark plug access compartment in the center of the scoot.
You'll see the fuel tank on the right, and on the left side the connector to the side stand switch. There's an extra plug there, just switch the male, put the side stand down and see if it starts. It's a bypass, so no cutting wires or anything.
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finally been able to find and do it!!! ;D ;) :)
thanks so much guys!!!
now i can stop and open the gate without turning off the engine...
big help... :-*