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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 700i => Topic started by: Porkie on June 06, 2014, 12:23:04 PM
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I have been considering a new 700 Kymco but I had a question: What prices have you seen for the scoot? Nobody pays retail that I know of and I never will. I am interested in sales prices in the United States only and the Dealers names and locations.
I love my new 500 but I bet I would like the 700 even more:)
Thanks in advance for any comments.
Sam:)
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Hey Sam I really don't know what the low price is going to be on this scoot. My local has one. Been there for awhile and I don't see it selling anytime soon. They do seem anxious to move it. Their business is 300cc or less and most in the 125-150cc class. They sell a ton of scoots but few large ones.
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/mcd/4489226440.html (http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/mcd/4489226440.html)
I thought I saw a dealer ad at 8k but can't remember where. I've been all over the last few weeks.
Good luck. I rode one and its a fine machine. Problem for me would be the BMWs are starting too drop in price.
Be Big,
AMAC
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Now that's a good ad. I know the public is starting to embrace scooters, but it me a wbile. The thinking on this says buy a motorcycle, or a decent automobile for tnis much money.
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I don't care how they want to portray them... Anything over 250cc is not a scooter IMHO.
Please help me understand this... Why would someone want a 700cc machine that has a crippled transmission, and reduced handling abilities that also goes way to fast for any piece of hardware on the machine.
For ONCE I am not try ing to be a smart ass. I really don't understand. Why buy a sub par death trap compared to a REAL motorcycle. Physical limitations of the rider excluded... No one that can not walk goes out and buys a McLaren f!, and adds handicap controls.
My point is you cannot down shift in emergency situations so you are relying on brakes made a cheap as possible. The tire size speaks for itself. the frames are supported by plastic. The lighting sucks. Center of gravity is designed for rider stance, and has nothing to do with handling yet people buy these things, and insist they are Fantastic on the HIGHWAY!
Honestly I believe they should be, and eventually will be banned.
Trust me... I am not trolling for hates sake. I am trying to understand if people really understand what they are getting themselves into with these "maxi scoots".
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I don't care how they want to portray them... Anything over 250cc is not a scooter IMHO.
Please help me understand this... Why would someone want a 700cc machine that has a crippled transmission, and reduced handling abilities that also goes way to fast for any piece of hardware on the machine.
For ONCE I am not try ing to be a smart ass. I really don't understand. Why buy a sub par death trap compared to a REAL motorcycle. Physical limitations of the rider excluded... No one that can not walk goes out and buys a McLaren f!, and adds handicap controls.
My point is you cannot down shift in emergency situations so you are relying on brakes made a cheap as possible. The tire size speaks for itself. the frames are supported by plastic. The lighting sucks. Center of gravity is designed for rider stance, and has nothing to do with handling yet people buy these things, and insist they are Fantastic on the HIGHWAY!
Honestly I believe they should be, and eventually will be banned.
Trust me... I am not trolling for hates sake. I am trying to understand if people really understand what they are getting themselves into with these "maxi scoots".
Yep.
Be Big,
AMAC
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One word: FUN.
75% of the time I ride my scooter to work instead of my Goldwing. Why?: It brings back the fun feeling I had many years ago when I first rode--anything and everything from moped to 750cc, 3 cyl 2 stroke screamers, they were all fun. After 76 motorcycle's and scoot's, the "Thrill is gone," like BB King sings about--except on a scooter.
If I could drive a Go-cart to work instead of my Dodge 400 Horsepower, Hemi powered, 4x4 Big Horn pickup, I'd do it for one reason: Fun!
Sam:)
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To the point. I like your style AMAC
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One word: FUN.
75% of the time I ride my scooter to work instead of my Goldwing. Why?: It brings back the fun feeling I had many years ago when I first rode--anything and everything from moped to 750cc, 3 cyl 2 stroke screamers, they were all fun. After 76 motorcycle's and scoot's, the "Thrill is gone," like BB King sings about--except on a scooter.
If I could drive a Go-cart to work instead of my Dodge 400 Horsepower, Hemi powered, 4x4 Big Horn pickup, I'd do it for one reason: Fun!
Sam:)
I agree 100%. I would also ride a 40-50 hp go cart if I could... It's the scooter on the Highway thing that gets me. On country roads sure. The fun is the reason but Highway riding seems to be just a bit out of their league (to me).
Like running a saucer sled down a luge track.
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I have been considering a new 700 Kymco but I had a question: What prices have you seen for the scoot? Nobody pays retail that I know of and I never will. I am interested in sales prices in the United States only and the Dealers names and locations.
CycleTrader is a great source (range from $7,800-MSRP) and of course it depends on where in the US and dealers sitting on one are more likely to discount unless the factory offers an incentive down the road if they are sitting in warehouses. I have over the year bought new bikes that were sitting in the warehouse unsold like the new 1986 Honda Helix I bought in 1989 for a sweet deal or my most recent purchase of a new 2009 Suzuki Burgman 650 std model for $7,500 OTD in 2010. I might be interested in one myself however the price needs to be at least around that $7,800 figure for me.
I don't care how they want to portray them... Anything over 250cc is not a scooter IMHO.
I somewhat agree with that though I think it should have more to do with the physical size like my Helixes were large more like a bike but with only a 250cc engine.
Please help me understand this... Why would someone want a 700cc machine that has a crippled transmission, and reduced handling abilities that also goes way to fast for any piece of hardware on the machine.
For ONCE I am not try ing to be a smart ass. I really don't understand. Why buy a sub par death trap compared to a REAL motorcycle. Physical limitations of the rider excluded... No one that can not walk goes out and buys a McLaren f!, and adds handicap controls.
My point is you cannot down shift in emergency situations so you are relying on brakes made a cheap as possible. The tire size speaks for itself. the frames are supported by plastic. The lighting sucks. Center of gravity is designed for rider stance, and has nothing to do with handling yet people buy these things, and insist they are Fantastic on the HIGHWAY!
Honestly I believe they should be, and eventually will be banned.
Trust me... I am not trolling for hates sake. I am trying to understand if people really understand what they are getting themselves into with these "maxi scoots".
Sounds like you have never ridden one let alone ever owned one. Firstly the center of gravity on most maxi-scoots is lower than that on many "motorcycles" and what does it matter if you can't downshift (nevermind the fact that the bike does this on its own just like an automatic in a car) if the brakes do their job? In fact the brakes on these bikes are much better than most with dual front/single rear discs. You really should read some of the motorcycle reviews on these "scooters" from even sport bike riders.
I have seen a steady conversion of cruiser/touring bike owners (everything from BMW's, Goldwings, Harleys, and even sportier bikes) moving over to maxi-scoots (in fact I was just reading a post on a Burgman forum of two Harley riders who moved over, not that Harleys "handle" lol) because they are so easy to ride, handle great, etc... The fact that on some of these maxi-scoots you have better weather/wind protection and get things like ABS, power folding mirrors, power adjustable windscreen, heated grips/seats, and that along with most have a very large usuable trunk makes them all the more appealing for all around use.
Frames supported by plastic thats just too ridiculous. As far as lighting goes I doubt you could find better than my Burgman 650 on a "real motorcycle". It has dual H4 bulbs (the same as many cars) for lighting, both work on low and high unlike some of those European models. It has enough room under the seat for two full face helmets, great wind/weather protection, radial tires, a ECVT I can change ratios if I so desire or even put in a mode to keep the RPM's higher for twisties, and cruises all day at any speed I want twist and go. The bike is more capable of being pushed harder than I do not that I'm real easy on it.
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Thank you MJR, I appreciate your taking the time to explain some of these points. I am sure it will help others More so than me.
I quit riding cruisers back in the early 80's. Well before I ever heard of Maxi Scooters. My personal favorite bike was the Kawi LTD 1000. My brother was a Gold Wing guy. We used to swap bikes until I had a near miss with a custom van that swerved for whatever reason.
The thing that sticks w/ me to this day is the momentum the bike had was far to great for the handling capability.
Back to scooters.... I have ridden a Burgman 650, and I understand it takes time to get a "feel" for these things but my instant impression was worse than I could bear. I got off within 15 miles.Perhaps it is a left over fear of riding a bomb straight into the ground (ie: Slim Pickins) or it is a REAL aptitude I have for knowing what is safe feeling, and what isn't.
I ride low chopped bikes. It has always been my preference. I also have taken the low side slide too many times to count. My "feeling" on Maxi's is there is realty no choice except for a high side flight.
Not to beat this into the ground but they remind me of the 250 Yamaha Trikes they had back in the day. They were so dangerous they stopped producing them.
Again I appreciate your input. I know your post will help some folks understand what they are looking at, and I hope some of my rant helps someone see both sides of the coin. Something that big should be designed to be agile enough to avoid trouble, and not bear down the lane into it.
One of my favorite movie lines ever... 1,000,000 parts, and all built by the lowest bidder.
I'd spend the $$$, and get a Kawi again.
My 65 cents...
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Back to scooters.... I have ridden a Burgman 650, and I understand it takes time to get a "feel" for these things but my instant impression was worse than I could bear. I got off within 15 miles.
I can understand if you've already had such slides before. As I was reading your reply I remembered how I felt the first time I took my first scooter on the freeway back in 1987. It was a Honda Helix and the small narrow bias ply tires would track in the grooved concrete freeway. It spooked me and it took some time to get used to. Once I did get used to it I never really thought that much about it again.
Being I never rode larger bikes before I don't have a sense for them but coming up from the Helix it's a different story. Having larger radial tires changes the feel quite a bit from the Helix and the Burgman 650 is a more capable bike than I would say I am a rider. One of the things I found on the Burgman was the larger front fairing and headlights made it much more visible to traffic around me vs. the Helixes. My candy apple red Helix I got somewhat noticed on but still had to watch people. The pearl white Helix, forget it nobody saw me on that one, might as well have been invisible. My first Burgie was dark blue but I didn't have any real issues being seen on it.
As far as the MyRoad 700i the lighting is suppose to be pretty good for a bike. Most of the reviews suggest it might be nice for someone of my height (5'7") but maybe not for someone much taller without seat/windscreen changes. I find it a very interesting bike, in some of the photos on the mini site http://www.kymco.com/event/2011_myroad700i/ (http://www.kymco.com/event/2011_myroad700i/) it make me think it should be something Judge Dredd should be on. 8)
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Thanks man.
Maybe I'l go test ride one in Talli., just so I can say I gave it a go. I'll (of course) use Jose Sanchez as my alias... just in case the bike don't make it back in one piece.
This is exactly where forums can make all the difference. Learning from people who have "been there/done that"
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MJR is right on. I have over 50,000 miles on my xciting 500 (almost all hwy-freeway). Toured cross country 2 times, several 700 plus mile days and one 1,004 mile day. With the set up and beg riding position I can ride all day. With low center of gravity it handles very well. Good breaks etc. I have owned dresser Hog's and Beemers, Harley FLT's (2), And 4 touring BMW's (last 2 R-100 RT's). Weight is 475, and has a long wheel base (about same as Harley road king). So it handles well in side winds. My scooter is just about one of the best road/touring bikes I have ever owned. I feel and or have no safety issues with the bike to boot. ;) :) ;D 8) :-* P. S. I have met several burgman 650 owners on the road. Not one would trade or sell their bikes for anything else in the world. Can't get a better testimonial then that! :-*
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Highway bike...
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I would LOVE one of these, but the practical side of my brain (the side which led me to buy a scooter instead of a motorcycle) won't let me spend that much money on one. There is SO much that I could do with that money, and still have enough left to buy a 250 that can go interstate speeds (I go the speed limit, I know a lot of people want bikes that can go a LOT faster, however being able to hold a steady 65 when on the interstate (55 and 50 are more common since most of my riding is on US and state highways) and have a little left over just in case is good enough for me).
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Dude . You can buy a bunch of chopper parts, and build what I showed for FAR lesss $$$$ than you spend on a scooter. This is what I dont' understand about why you guys buy Cheap China Plastic,and think it's safe.
When I crash I pick up my bike, and hit the bars with a rock, and drive on. You all have to wait for Gieco!
Sorry for the miss post. You know I love ya! BUT I'm gonna be riding my 50cc scoot faster, and longer than any of your Maxi scoots. Sorry fellas!
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Just my 2 cents here but if a 250 to 300 will do every speed limit in the country is there any real practical reason to have a bigger motor? Hell in china 250 is the limit because it does all legal speeds. My Like was scary on the highway but the People does great. Im always ahead of traffic. I dont see where it is supposed to feel dangerous aside from just being on two wheels. Weight feels unsafe to me. Slowly moving something as heavy as a myroad seems like it would be easy to drop it. And then a bitch to lift up. Ever put your feet down and one slides as it comes down on sand or gravel? Id worry about that happening with a heavy ride. Around here people show off with big loud heavy bikes that are slow and a pain to manuver at slow speeds. They get 20 mpg less and spent 5 times as much. Then a sport bike half the price and with a smaller motor smokes it. Its crazyness to me. i've never seen a cruiser motorcycle going fast, guess its a price thing. If I paid 30 grand for a big, slow, heavy, midlife crisis, vigra replacement i'd be afraid to open it up too.
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Also those myroads go for 10grand here. For that you could buy the 700cc honda ctx with the duel clutch automatic trans that has manual shifting as well. You even have money left over. Id buy the motorcycle and i bet it would be better to live with.
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Dude . You can buy a bunch of chopper parts, and build what I showed for FAR lesss $$$$ than you spend on a scooter. This is what I dont' understand about why you guys buy Cheap China Plastic,and think it's safe.
When I crash I pick up my bike, and hit the bars with a rock, and drive on. You all have to wait for Gieco!
Sorry for the miss post. You know I love ya! BUT I'm gonna be riding my 50cc scoot faster, and longer than any of your Maxi scoots. Sorry fellas!
Well, I don't buy 'cheap China plastic', I purchased a Korean bike and a Taiwanese bike (neither country is China). And, I did not buy a scooter thinking it was safe. I purchased one instead of a motorcycle because they cost less to maintain, they get better fuel mileage, they have better storage without having to spend a lot of money on extra boxes and bags, and I have a medical problem that keeps me from throwing my leg over a bike like I used to be able to. So, for less money I have a vehicle that costs me less to maintain, is more practical, costs me less to run, and can keep up with the speed limits on both interstate and highway. As to your running your 50cc scoot faster and longer than any of us on our maxi scoots...perhaps, that all comes down to how we maintain our scoots (as it is with any vehicle).
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I have owned several Burgman 650's. A '13 being my latest. They really are a beautiful machine. The major thing I didn't like about them was seat and rear suspension. Anything over 50 +/- miles and my ass was squirming all over. And, if you happened to hit any type of bump, the recoil shoots right up your spine. I think that if they are going to continue to lead the maxi-scooter market...they are going to have to follow the BMW lead and go with at least 15" wheels and change their rear suspension. I had mine on the highway/interstate several times. It handled it fine but there was always an uncomfortable feeling. Personally, I always try to avoid them anyway. The back roads get you there too. The pricing for all the Maxi-Scoots are pretty close now. (within $1000 anyway) With that in mind I would definitely lean toward the Japanese brands or the BMW. I am a huge fan of KYMCO but I personally think that they should stay focused on the smaller scooters. I sat on that Honda CTX the other day. It was very comfy. Nice upright riding position, forward controls....really nice. What scares me away from them is the number of new bikes that Honda is pumping out each year that seem to just fade away.
Back to the scooter debate. I had my Burgman 650 and a People 200s at the same time. I found that I enjoyed riding the People more than I did the Burgman. My solution was that I off'd both of them when I found the GT300i. As stated earlier, it exceeds any posted speed limit at half the price and is still a blast to ride. The Burgman was fun..the GT300i is ALOT of fun. No payment is nice too.
If you have your heart set on the 700 KYMCO.....go for it. I am sure you will enjoy it. Now is a good time to look for a last years model while all of the new ones are coming in.
What I don't like is that it appears that the market is creeping toward a full liter scooter. Makes no sense.
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Full 1,000 cc touring scooter makes perfect sense to me. Would make a great touring bike. Why should kymco stick to the small scoot market? The x500 makes for a great in town or hwy bike. 400i is one of the best maxi scoots on the market. You can tour on a 300i also. 700 is right up there with the big burger and BMW 650's. If someone made a 1,000 cc touring scoot with hard Givi type bag's and top box with back rest, this combined with the under seat storage, and full fairing with long wide seat, would make for the perfect touring bike. If sold at 10-12,000 dollars and 50 plus MPG, sure beats a $20,000 and up Goldwing at 28 MPG. ??? :-*
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I think that was the point I was trying to make. These 500's, 650's & 700's tour just fine. (as does my newly acquired 300) Continuing up to a possible 1000cc really just keeps prices going up. A 650 Burgman is already close to $12,000. The others are close behind. Add an aftermarket option or two and you have spend some major $$$. Many of the cruiser motorcycles out there are in the 1800cc range. I've been riding for a lot of years....I just don't understand the need for a motor that big when the smaller cc bikes do the same thing. I dream of the idea of someday owning a Goldwing. I just could never justify it when I can do basically the same thing on a 650 Burgman for half the price. We have had three KYMCO's over the years and not a single problem with any of them. I am a big fan of them. I guess I just see them as more of a "typical" scooter company than a maxi-scooter company. Not knocking them..but if I were going to spend $10,000 +/- on a maxi, I would stay Japanese or the BMW. The 400 is not available around here. That would be a nice size bike and about where I would make my cut off between a scooter and a Maxi-scooter.
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I agree, 1800 cc is way over board. The triumph triple is 2300 cc???? How much do you need? I owned 1 BMW 750 twin, 2 BMW 1,000 cc twins, and 2 Harley FLT dressers. 60 HP max for all. Toured every where. Max speed limit is 75. Who needs 140 HP? Yes a bigger bike with hard bag's and such would cost more, but 12,000 to 15,000 for a 1,000 cc touring scoot with all the bells and whistles makes much more sense to me than a 20,000 plus HOG or Goldwing? I agree, total over kill. :-*
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My 2012 Goldwing is my 76th motorcycle/ scooter and at this time I also have a 2013 Xciting 500.
My Goldwing consistently gets 45 mpg at Interstate speeds and ironically, so does my Xciting 500.
To get 28 mpg's, I'd have to cruise through Montana again at a sustained 100+ mph, so don't make it look like the GW is this huge gas hog.
The comfort of a GW is unsurpassed but my past BMW K1200LT-C came very close.
Several 1800cc Cruisers were sure fun and practical for my commute also.
I love scooters and have had 6 Maxi-scooter's and 3 sub-maxi scooters and all put a smile on my face when I rode them but there is something about having 125-150 rear wheel horsepower that is invigorating.
I know pride of ownership and ego makes some people believe THEIR bike/ scoot is something special and oh so fast that a 50cc scooter can outrun the rest of us:)
If you live in the city and commute in the city, then enjoy your scooter and it's efficiency and I will enjoy my quick and Xciting 150 mile breakfast and lunch runs.
Like the late and often quoted, bastion of common sense, Rodney King once said: "Can't we all just get along?"
Sam:)
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Yes we can....that's why we're all here. Someday I am going to test ride a Goldwing. (my local dealer has been trying to get me to ride one for a while now) But I refuse to so until I have enough money for the down payment because I know I will have own one. Your report of 45MPG helps considerably! Thanks a lot.
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If anyone in the PNW is looking for a MyRoad 700i, we have one going for $8000 out the door. Columbia Scooters
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I'm not knocking anyone's ride. Own & or ride what you want. I'm just saying why pay $$$$ for a bike when one for 5-7 thousand will get the job done. Also, never met a 6 cylinder gold wing owner that stated they got over 35MPG, and I have known many. I guess their all lairs? :-*
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I have no idea what a "lairs" is.
http://gl1800riders.com/forums/forums.php (http://gl1800riders.com/forums/forums.php)
I guess this forum will show many "lairs," that get the mileage I quoted.
Funny, it jumped from 28 to 35 mpg---odd how quickly that happened.
A little 'City car' will get the job done too---but who wants one in the real commuting world?
The Goldwing has set the standard for touring bikes since it's debut in 1975. Some say the new BMW K1600GTL is as good as or better and the Harley Electraglide series is in the mix also. In my extremely humble opinion, all others are pretenders and just sportbikes/ adventure bikes with a few add on accessories to make them more practical.
$20,000 to $30,000 plus may seem extravagant to some but you get what you pay for and it sounds like class envy to denigrate a persons choice based on price.
To each his own.
Sam:)
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I have owned several Burgman 650's. A '13 being my latest. They really are a beautiful machine. The major thing I didn't like about them was seat and rear suspension. Anything over 50 +/- miles and my ass was squirming all over. And, if you happened to hit any type of bump, the recoil shoots right up your spine. (Ed. TOO TRUE!!!)
...I had my Burgman 650 and a People 200s at the same time. I found that I enjoyed riding the People more than I did the Burgman. My solution was that I off'd both of them when I found the GT300i. As stated earlier, it exceeds any posted speed limit at half the price and is still a blast to ride. The Burgman was fun..the GT300i is ALOT of fun.
My brother did the same. He went from a new Aprilia (!!!) Sports City 250 scooter, to a used Majesty 400, to a new 2009 Burgman 650. He LOVED it, put on a better windscreen and upgraded to full Sintered brake pads to haul all that LARD down, but he is 5'6' and 160# and dropped that 600+ pounds three times. He then added a new SYM CityCom 300, put on Pirelli Diablos and WOW, what a great little Bike! With an added windscreen he rode it everywhere and relegated the Big Burger to mostly the occasional Highway Touring thing.
Now he had one for each projected use...and a FULL garage. Then he test road a used Tmax 500. Game OVER. Found a great deal on a low-mileage Tmax in LA and bought it, and sold BOTH the Big Burger and the CityCom 300. I road his Tmax; BIG MISTAKE. I bought a NEW 2009 Tmax for $2,000 off list, sold my Majesty and never have looked back.
(Oh, he DID get rid of the Tmax500...replaced it with a 2012 Tmax 530!!!!)
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I have been considering a new 700 Kymco but I had a question: What prices have you seen for the scoot? Nobody pays retail that I know of and I never will. I am interested in sales prices in the United States only and the Dealers names and locations.
I love my new 500 but I bet I would like the 700 even more:)
Thanks in advance for any comments.
Sam:)
Remember, the 700 is an ANCIENT bike. It was rolled-out at a Bike Show almost 10 years ago, as a less expensive Taiwanese Burgman. It took FOREVER to see actual production, and was introduced early on in Hungary and the Czech Republic. FINALLY it began to show up in dribs and dabs in other countries, but by then the entire maxi-Scooter World had passed it by.
Even the Cheap-Ass BMW scoots with their all-Chinese parts (EXCEPT for the Italian front struts...), designed as bigger-motor knock offs of old MK2 Tmaxes, but without the Wet Clutches, are light-years ahead of the MyRoad 700, and they were basically stillborn.
(Resale prices on those C-series are starting to drop like a bad elevator over in Europe, as the first factory Warrantees start to expire in December. And here's the BEST part; some things CAN'T be repaired on them, as there are NO PARTS AVAILABLE to anyone, even BMW Europe. They just get boxes of RTA Chinese Scooters to assemble in Germany ("BUILT IN GERMANY!!!"). If the just recalled timing chain tensioner fails and bends valves or holes a piston it CAN'T BE FIXED. No head gaskets/valves/pistons or even ENGINES are available. Under warrantee now they give you A NEW BIKE. And junk the old one. Got a leaking front Brake Caliper? No repair kits are made, and no replacement calipers are available. They have to pull one off of another bike on the showroom floor, if available...)
So, the MyToad was obsolete the DAY it hit the showroom floor. The HOT Maxi Segment is the 400cc, EU A2 license compliant Sport Scooters...NONE of which are imported here.
Bigger than 400cc??The Big Burger 650 is what it is and will stay that way, the Aprilia SRV 850 is a completely impractical friggin Hot Rod that we'll NEVER see, the Silverwing 600 will be discontinued any day now, the MyToad 700 is being GIVEN away to unload it, the Tmax 530 is brilliant but unavailable (to MOST), the C-series BMWs are already becoming Special Order only at the Dealers here and in Europe...NONE stocked in the UK any more.
What's the FUTURE? Hope that when Honda sh**cans the Silverwing they bring over the Integra 750 DCT Scooter. 750cc, almost 60hp and 75 miles per gallon. YOU READ RIGHT...75 MPG!! With a TRUE 6-speed automatic transmission.
One can only hope...
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SkuTorr:The HOT Maxi Segment is the 400cc, EU A2 license compliant Sport Scooters...NONE of which are imported here.
400cc sport scooters?
Let me see, there's the Xmax 400 and the Xciting 400.
The Xmax is a rebodied steel framed Majesty and isn't at all popular, the Kymco has the same amount of underseat storage as the average 125 so it will never be popular either.
So you're really not missing much.
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Lots of us have been waiting to throw a leg over the Honda Integra 700 DCT, that has been out for about 3 years but has never made it to our shores---wonder why????
The scooter world looked forward to the MYroad 700 and it seemed like 10 years before one landed in the states.
Why Yamaha isn't exporting the T-max to the US anymore is anyones guess:(
The 650 Cheeseburger is getting old too but right now, I have my eye on another one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like the Forza but it was a tad to small for me @ 6ft-5in and 300+ lbs!
The BMW scoots keep winning all of the magazine awards but it may have to do with income generating from BMW advertising:)
Sam:)
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Lots of us have been waiting to throw a leg over the Honda Integra 700 DCT, that has been out for about 3 years but has never made it to our shores---wonder why????
Do you get any of the NC range or just the CTX?
The Integra is crap as a scooter, chain drive and zero storage.
Basically its just a regular motorcycle in a dress.
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We in the US get all of the NC and CTX motorcycles, with 6 speeds and the auto.
We don't get the Integra 700 yet.
A chain rear drive on a scooter is not a deal breaker for me--chains have been around absolutely forever on bikes and scooters.
When is a scooter not a scooter, just ask a dedicated VESPA zealot who by the thousands will tell you that a scooter must have a completely FLAT FLOOR. To them, all other scooters are just pretenders to the throne.
To each his own:)
Sam
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I classify a "scooter" by the fact that the engine and drive train/swingarm/wheel are all one unit. If the suspension and engine are separate it's no scooter.
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I classify a "scooter" by the fact that the engine and drive train/swingarm/wheel are all one unit. If the suspension and engine are separate it's no scooter.
Although by definition an argument can be made for that, in today's world the line is so blurred there's more to it. Some would offer it must be step-thru. Some small wheels some..........
A conversation about what makes a scooter a scooter is right up there with oil, helmets and religion.
Everybody has a different idea.
Be Big,
AMAC
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For me a scooter must be low maintenance and practical, two virtues which make for an ideal transport solution.
Chains are out, on board storage is a must have.
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For me a scooter must be low maintenance and practical, two virtues which make for an ideal transport solution.
Chains are out, on board storage is a must have.
Why would chain be out of you want low maint? Belts have really short maintenance intervals compared to chains.
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Chain has far higher maintenance requirement than a CVT belt.
Chain requires regular checking, lubrication and adjustment.
And the oil makes for additional cleaning workload.
Belt in my Forza needs no checking, no lubrication, no adjustment, just changed at 16,000 miles.
CVT = no fuss no hassle no mess.
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There is some misunderstanding here: A CVT has to use a belt, never a Chain. Go to youtube and watch any of hundreds of videos showing CVT's in action.
The 'Final drive' on scooters/ motorcycles, can be by chain, gears, belt or ring and pinion.
My order of approval is: ring and pinion and belts on larger bikes and then chains. On scooters, it's gears, chains or belts.
Sam:)
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We were arguing maintenance chain vs belt, motorcycle vs scooter.
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No one is arguing anything Spud.
CVT's are always by belt from the engine to clutch from there, there are various ways to get the power to the ground:
The Kymco Xciting 500 has enclosed gears, bathed in oil.
The 650 Burgman has a series of 5 or 6 gears enclosed and bathed with oil.
The new Tmax has a Belt final drive, like a Harley.
The BMW scooters have an enclosed motorcycle type chain, bathed in oil.
Symantics are fun!
Sam:)
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Symantics are fun!
So are semantics ;)
And for clarity, exposed chain final drive as found on most motorcycles is what I meant.
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Thank you oh Sensei for your spelling correction and for your clarification of what you ACTUALLY meant. ::)
Sam:)
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Pre owned 2014 model for sale at a local Honda dealer here in DFW area - $3999. Not sure how many miles. I left them a message. Will post mileage when they reply.
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Less than 2000 miles on it. For $3999 I could have enough $ left over to get the seat custom fitted to add some more room. Think Ill go check it out this weekend.
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http://www.dfwhonda.com/--xInventoryDetail?id=2285887 (http://www.dfwhonda.com/--xInventoryDetail?id=2285887)
Looks pristine, great deal.
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Decided to not go see the 700. Cockpit looks too cramped (I'm 6'1). Its at DFW Honda in Grapevine TX if anyone is interested.
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Decided to not go see the 700. Cockpit looks too cramped (I'm 6'1). Its at DFW Honda in Grapevine TX if anyone is interested.
Looks like they had a Silverwing also for sale. Yes the seat would have to be customized on the MyRoad. I still need to do my seat but so far I am enjoying the bike, just turned 3,800 miles and finished the 4K service.
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Don't know about the My Road, but the seating on my DT300 was totally unacceptable until I added a back rest and highway foot pegs outside and forward of the factory foot boards. Now it feels just like a cruiser . On cold days I just put my feet on the foot boards and the back rest makes that okay. I doubt that the MR has any smaller rider room than the DT300 does. Just my thoughts.
Mac
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I so wanted to like the Myroad 700. The cockpit was too cramped and uncomfortable for my 6'3" frame. After 45k miles, my Xciting 500 was feeling a bit cramped, despite the custom seat and handlebars that I had made. It looks and rides real trick. Love it. Go scooter camping aka s'camping all the time. Here's a link to a short video on the Tube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWd9kvkI3_8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWd9kvkI3_8)
My LMS had a real nice Silver Wing and since I am a good customer, they made me a decent deal. I do like the Silver Wing. Looking forward to a 3,000 mile round trip from south Texas to northern California in the spring.