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Scooters - 125 to 300 => People 250 => Topic started by: SeattleBP on July 26, 2009, 12:03:23 AM
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I have a 2006 People 250 that I have not ridden all that much due to a heavy work related travel schedule. I have recently begun riding it a lot more, and just recently have noticed a wobble in the front wheel when coasting down to a stop. Usually, this wobble occurs at about 25-35 mph, while coasting slower on the way to a full stop. Accelerating will cause the wobble to stop, and it does not seem to occur at higher speeds, nor when the throttle is open. I have been able to make this wobble manifest by riding up and down my street and just repetitively coasting to that 25-35 mph threshold, and sure enough, happens every time.
So, my question is, has this happened to anyone else, and if so, what has been the likely culprit? My Scooter is essentially new, with less than 2000 km on the ODO. I can't imagine any part being worn out in such a small span of mileage, but I am looking for thoughts and suggestions. Haven't taken it to the dealer yet...that whole work-travel thing again. Any help/ advice of what to look for would be appreciated. Thanks.
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My 2007 P250 does the exact same thing! I've suspected that the front tire needs replacing, since it's been plugged twice. Another friend of mine who has an Xciting 500 recommended DynaBeads, but I haven't tried them, yet.
If you try either of these, or something else, please report back on this thread... I have a new tire (Pirelli) at the shop, but haven't scheduled the change-out, so I'll probably do that in the next couple of weeks, and let you know.
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check the steering head bearings. If thats ok check if the front tire is scalloped. hope this helps
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Low speed front end wobble sometimes happens when you install a topcase but do not replace handlebar weights with heavier ones.
With some cases you get heavier weights. I had them replaced both on Kawasaki and on Beverly.
Yet on some bikes this does not happen at all.
This does not refer to jprestonian who does not have a topcase, if I remember correctly.
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Hi -
I have a 2006 People 250 that I have not ridden all that much due to a heavy work related travel schedule. I have recently begun riding it a lot more, and just recently have noticed a wobble in the front wheel when coasting down to a stop. Usually, this wobble occurs at about 25-35 mph, while coasting slower on the way to a full stop. Accelerating will cause the wobble to stop, and it does not seem to occur at higher speeds, nor when the throttle is open. I have been able to make this wobble manifest by riding up and down my street and just repetitively coasting to that 25-35 mph threshold, and sure enough, happens every time.
So, my question is, has this happened to anyone else, and if so, what has been the likely culprit? My Scooter is essentially new, with less than 2000 km on the ODO. I can't imagine any part being worn out in such a small span of mileage, but I am looking for thoughts and suggestions. Haven't taken it to the dealer yet...that whole work-travel thing again. Any help/ advice of what to look for would be appreciated. Thanks.
This isnt a front end or top box related issue...Its a clutch/cvt problem and a fairly easy one to diagnose..Because the problem occurs as you slow down and not passing up thru 25-35 mph it isnt a tire/balance issue or a head bearing problem. First fix: hold the rear brake lock tight and rev the throttle to a mid range and hold for a few seconds(nothing will break,lol) This should remove any glaze on the clutch plates...My bet is it works.... Jprestionian...Riding a plugged tire??? YIKES
Good Luck
OlBull
36000km of smiles
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Actually, I do have a Shad 29 on the P250.
Will try the clutch de-glazing suggested by OlBull. One thing that makes me think this could be the issue is that I also have some shuddering at takeoff, especially when the scooter is "cold."
As for the plugs, the punctures were both very close to midline, and my French neighbor said in France, they would ride on such tires without a second thought. I *do* have a replacement tire at the shop... just need to work in some time to have it changed out.
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I will also try the possible fix suggested by olbull...I can't imagine it's a top-case issue, because I had my top case installed upon purchase, and it's only begun to do this recently. Ditto for tires - pressure is on target, and the tread is fine. I suspect if olbull's fix does not work, I will have to take it to the shop to check for a wheel issue or steering head bearings, just to be sure. Thanks for the suggestions...
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I tried OlBull's suggestion for de-glazing the clutch surfaces... with mixed results. The severity and frequency of the wobble has lessened, somewhat, but not completely gone away. I'll check the clutch surfaces sometime soon to see if a little abrasion is called for. I may enlist the help of my GV 250-owning neighbor, reticulum, as he works on his quite a bit, and knows a lot of tricks I don't know.
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Hello, way back in January I wrote about the same problem. Except mine would wobble all the time. My responses to my post really didn't help out my situation. So I was pretty much resigned to living with the wobble. So after I passed the problem by my local mechanics they suggested the head bearing. But I did the head bearing test as well as the left/right test, and did the poor man's balancing. All seemed to work as advertised. But being motocross guys, they asked about the fork oil. Now I wouldn't suggest you go tearing into a new scooter. But mine is old and I am the third owner, so I said "What the Heck! I have a spare scoot anyways." Fork oil can get old and rancid, and will foam after a long period of time. If you research your Kymco book , you will notice nowhere does it mention anything about fork oil. Thats because they make it extremely hard to change. Basically its a plastic cap, held on by a wire ring, holding a big spring in place (and the oil back). So you have to remove your fender, front wheel, and pull off both forks. I destroyed both retainers in the removal process. But a couple of 1 1/4" snap rings from Ace solved that problem. Don't quote me on the size, I'm going off my failing memory. I poured the fork oil into a measuring cup and got approximately 150 ml from each. The old oil was as black as can be. New fork oil is clear like mineral oil. I used 7 wt which is an average weight. Bought it from the local Honda dealership. Put back in the same ml, with just a hair over to compensate for breakdown. With my wife's help we put the plug and snap ring back in. And installation was the reverse of removal. I swear the ride feels tighter and less wobbly. It may be that the factory short changed one of your forks, or one fork leaks. Or it may be as Ole Bull says, that its the People's pogo stick design. But anyways, thats my 2 cents.
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UPDATE: I've had the new Pirelli GTS 23 put on the front to replace the twice-plugged Kenda OEM tire. Again, a slight reduction of the wobble, but it's still there.
In other news, I'm using Fuelly (http://www.fuelly.com/driver/jprestonian/people-250) now (six fill-ups), and just had my best tank: 66 MPG. This leads me to believe the MPG "sweet spot" for this bike is around 50 mph, as I did a lot of riding at that speed on Saturday after the last fill-up.
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UPDATE: I've had the new Pirelli GTS 23 put on the front to replace the twice-plugged Kenda OEM tire. Again, a slight reduction of the wobble, but it's still there.
In other news, I'm using Fuelly (http://www.fuelly.com/driver/jprestonian/people-250) now (six fill-ups), and just had my best tank: 66 MPG. This leads me to believe the MPG "sweet spot" for this bike is around 50 mph, as I did a lot of riding at that speed on Saturday after the last fill-up.
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Worst I`ve seen - 44 mpg
Best I`ve seen - 62 mpg
Average I usually see while commuting daily - 56 mpg
The problem is that consumption sweet spot is usually boredom sore spot... I cannot drive 50 mph if I do not want to die of boredom... otherwise it would be much more comfortable and relaxing taking a bus, a car or going by foot. :)
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I guess it all depends on where you ride. In my usual travels, 90% of my riding is in 40mph speed zones. So, I'm usually between 40-50mph much of the time, with a lot of stop-n-go, in-town travel.
My mileage suffers when I get on the intercity freeways, 'cause I have to WOT it to keep up -- no one does 55mph. It's 70+, all the time. And, no one here understands turn signals, or only switching one lane at a time. Or traffic signs.
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