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Scooters - 125 to 300 => LIKE 200i => Topic started by: 91cavgt on July 03, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
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I went riding into town yesterday morning to get a new tire installed. Halfway there I realized I had left one of my saddle bags opened, so I pulled off at a gas station to close it. When I got back on and went to leave, I hit the gas and the scooter barely moved whereas normally it would leave at a normal pace. Since this was during rush hour traffic, I had to get on the gas though and I quickly noticed that the clutch was slipping much more than usual. Typically, the clutch is fully engaged by the time the scooter hits around 7 mph, but this time the clutch finally fully grabbed at 15 mph, and it seemed as though the engine was revving up slightly higher than normal. When I had left my house just 5 miles earlier, the scooter behaved as normal. Could this be caused by a clutch spring breaking? Beyond that, it ran fine accept for a slight reduction in top speed from 61 mph on level ground down to about 59 mph.
I have also recently noticed that my rear brake is bleeding down over a long period of time. It must have an internal leak because over a period of the scooter sitting for a couple of days, I can grab the rear brake and the handle will almost touch the hand grip before there is resistance. The next time you hit the rear brake the feel is normal. There are no outside fluid leaks either.
So I called up the closest dealer to me (30 miles away) and they told me to bring it in. So hopefully by this next week I'll have an idea of what is going on with it.
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Good luck! Keep us posted on the outcome.
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Well, I called the dealership today and got an update on my Like. The service rep told me that they could not find anything wrong with the clutch or the brakes, but they did find an excess amount of play in the throttle. Upon closer inspection they found the throttle cable adjustment was stripped out (I have never adjusted the throttle) and needs to be replaced. They told me this is why the clutch took a long time to grab and why my top speed was down by a couple of MPH.
The parts are on order and it should be ready by late next week.
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I picked up my Like from the shop last week and it did fix the problem. There was no charge at all since it was a warranty repair.
After picking it up, I rode it 73 miles to my fiance's house and about 99% of that trip was at full throttle going down the highway. I love this little scooter as it never missed a beat the entire way, and got 54 mpg to boot!!!
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Glad it all worked out.
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I picked up my Like from the shop last week and it did fix the problem. There was no charge at all since it was a warranty repair.
After picking it up, I rode it 73 miles to my fiance's house and about 99% of that trip was at full throttle going down the highway. I love this little scooter as it never missed a beat the entire way, and got 54 mpg to boot!!!
Can't believe you guys ride these things WOT! You must live in The Land of Billiard Tables! Even so, not this fellow - not even for a mile!
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Can't believe you guys ride these things WOT! You must live in The Land of Billiard Tables! Even so, not this fellow - not even for a mile!
Most of the local highways are pretty nice and smooth for the most part. There are some pretty bad roads here and there so I tend to stay away from them. Since I live in the south, we don't get much snow at all and it doesn't freeze very much so the roads tend to be better than in the north.
But even in town, when leaving a stop light I typically am at full throttle till I hit the speed limit, or another stop light!!
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Well, the last time I had my Like in the shop, it had 1400 miles on the odometer. Now at 2500 miles I am experiencing the same thing again. I wonder if my riding at wide open throttle for such long periods of time has anything to do with this, what now seems like, reoccuring problem?
So, sometime this next week I'll be dropping my Like back off at the local dealer to see what they can do.
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Just something quick and easy to check, the "puke tube". I have read on here that if you ride wot a lot that that tends to fill up. I don't know what the symptoms are if it gets too full.
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The throttle play adjustment at the grip, or down at the engine is stripped- which?
Never really looked at where the throttle cable attaches down there - is there something that could strip out if a person is really honking on the throttle, repeatedly?
Yes please, keep us posted for the findings and the fix!
3200 here & no issues - 75 > 82 MPG (lower numbers now that riding in 40F degree weather 1/2 the time. Still making those O'Dark:30 daily jaunts. Will catch up on my sleep when I get even older. )
Stig
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Just something quick and easy to check, the "puke tube". I have read on here that if you ride wot a lot that that tends to fill up. I don't know what the symptoms are if it gets too full.
If the clutch were engaging the same as it was then I would say you may be on to something. However, just like last time, it feels like the clutch is slipping. The dealer told me last time it had delayed engagement because I was not giving it very much gas because of the stripped out throttle. I typically get on the gas pretty hard from a dead stop to keep ahead of the cars around me, so I am used to the clutch engaging pretty quickly.
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The throttle play adjustment at the grip, or down at the engine is stripped- which?
Never really looked at where the throttle cable attaches down there - is there something that could strip out if a person is really honking on the throttle, repeatedly?
Yes please, keep us posted for the findings and the fix!
3200 here & no issues - 75 > 82 MPG (lower numbers now that riding in 40F degree weather 1/2 the time. Still making those O'Dark:30 daily jaunts. Will catch up on my sleep when I get even older. )
Stig
I am pretty sure the problem was at the grip, which I have never looked at, much less adjusted. I really don't know if it is caused from me being at WOT so often, or just a bad part/assembly from the factory. I really have no idea.
The best fuel economy I have seen so far is right at 70 mpg. That was with a LOT of in town driving. The worst fuel economy is 48 mpg which was riding on the highway at full throttle with a headwind for almost a full tank of fuel.
I have to say, with how I ride, I have been fully impressed by my Like!! It takes the beating I give it and keeps on going!
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Well, I had to drop off my Like at the shop to get worked on 2 days ago. I was going to wait until later to drop it off but it started to run really rough. It started to miss and die, then come back and run ok. The check engine light came on as well. So I babied it to the shop and dropped it off.
I think the running rough may be just a bad tank of fuel since it is time to fill up and it seemed to get worse the more I rode it.
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I just got a call from the dealership. They said there was 3 codes stored. 2 of those were in regards to throttle position and throttle position sensor problems. The other code was a running rich code. They reset the codes and took it for a test ride and was able to hit 62 mph. He is going to call Kymco on Tuesday to see if Kymco wants them to do anything else. So that's where we stand. On Tuesday I should know more.
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I just got a call from the dealership. They said there was 3 codes stored. 2 of those were in regards to throttle position and throttle position sensor problems. The other code was a running rich code. They reset the codes and took it for a test ride and was able to hit 62 mph. He is going to call Kymco on Tuesday to see if Kymco wants them to do anything else. So that's where we stand. On Tuesday I should know more.
Thanks for the update!
A 163cc EFI'd scooter keeping codes!!
Reminds me of the watercooled, linked brakes 50cc sport-scooters! Amazing what they build into scoots.
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I got a call yesterday stating that Kymco released the scooter so I can come pick it up (we were waiting to see if Kymco wanted the dealership to do any work in regards to the engine codes). So I went by this afternoon and picked it up. The service guy told me that I didn't have a reciept because it was all done in the computer. I asked for one and the service guy told me they couldn't give me one. I didn't like that but I had family waiting on me with groceries in the car so I had to leave.
I fill up at the closest gas station and headed out. After riding only 8 miles the check engine light came back on again and the hesitation came back. Great. But, I needed to go home and help unload groceries. After a bit, the scooter started to run decent again and the check engine light went out.
So, tomorrow I have a job interview so I will be riding my Like in town, which is where it had the most difficulty. If it gives me problems again tomorrow then I am going to take it back to the dealer and demand a reciept for the "work" that they did (the service guy told me all they did was reset the check engine light).
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I got a call yesterday stating that Kymco released the scooter so I can come pick it up (we were waiting to see if Kymco wanted the dealership to do any work in regards to the engine codes). So I went by this afternoon and picked it up. The service guy told me that I didn't have a reciept because it was all done in the computer. I asked for one and the service guy told me they couldn't give me one. I didn't like that but I had family waiting on me with groceries in the car so I had to leave.
I fill up at the closest gas station and headed out. After riding only 8 miles the check engine light came back on again and the hesitation came back. Great. But, I needed to go home and help unload groceries. After a bit, the scooter started to run decent again and the check engine light went out.
So, tomorrow I have a job interview so I will be riding my Like in town, which is where it had the most difficulty. If it gives me problems again tomorrow then I am going to take it back to the dealer and demand a reciept for the "work" that they did (the service guy told me all they did was reset the check engine light).
Good luck 91,
Keep us posted.....all of us LIKE owners follow these threads closely!
I am not totally up to speed on the computers of these things, but can YOU get the code blinks from the scoot so YOU can check the on-line service manuals for what the issue might be?
Again, good luck!
Stig
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Good luck 91,
Keep us posted.....all of us LIKE owners follow these threads closely!
I am not totally up to speed on the computers of these things, but can YOU get the code blinks from the scoot so YOU can check the on-line service manuals for what the issue might be?
Again, good luck!
Stig
The service rep told me that there were 3 codes this last time. 2 of them were in regards to throttle position not being right and the other code was something about the motor running too rich.
As far as checking the codes myself, I have not heard about a way that we can pull the codes up ourselves.
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The on-line service manual for the LIKE 200i with Cyclepedia has a topic listing: FI System Self-Diagnosis, and a sub topic: Self Diagnosis Procedures.
They show you how to get the codes using just the scoot and list 25 different Failure Codes, with description & "Fault Management"
I purhcased a life-time manual from them for @ $40 shortly after my scoot was delivered. I always obtain a manual on all my vehicles.
Disconnecting the battery clears, loses, the stored failure codes the manual says.
Stig
(http://i42.tinypic.com/x1hsp3.jpg)Sample page from Cyclepedia
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Well, I wasn't able to check the codes this morning. I went for a job interview, and on the way back home it started to hesitate again. Next thing I know the check engine light comes on so I turn and head to the dealer. About 2 miles from the dealer the scooter just falls on it's face and feels like I lifted off the throttle doing 35 mph. Luckily, the guy tailgating me was paying attention and so he didn't hit me, but it could have been a VERY bad situation. After quickly dropping 5 mph, it picks right back up again. So I baby it to the dealer, and as I pull into the dealership the scooter stalls. It has never stalled on me before.
So, once again it is back at the dealership to get repaired.
After I dropped it off I found that the dealer will rent a scooter to you if yours is in the shop. They only had 1 model to rent. A Kymco Downtown 300i for $25 a day! If I had a job I would have rented it, but I have a feeling I'll be going back to the dealership if I get this new job and renting the 300i for a few days to see how I like it.
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Sounds like a good dealer to have. I'd love to rent a DT300 for a day.
Scoot safely,
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I finally got an update from the dealer just now. Big surprise, once again the computer is throwing throttle position sensor codes. At this point, once again, they are waiting on Kymco to tell them what to do. He is not sure if the TPS sensor is seperate from the throttle body as well as the computer and he would then be able to just order a TPS sensor, or if the entire throttle body and/or computer will have to be replaced.
I hope they get this fixed soon as I just got a job that is 10 miles away. My Like gets a LOT better fuel economy than what my truck gets.
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I finally got an update from the dealer just now. Big surprise, once again the computer is throwing throttle position sensor codes. At this point, once again, they are waiting on Kymco to tell them what to do. He is not sure if the TPS sensor is seperate from the throttle body as well as the computer and he would then be able to just order a TPS sensor, or if the entire throttle body and/or computer will have to be replaced.
I hope they get this fixed soon as I just got a job that is 10 miles away. My Like gets a LOT better fuel economy than what my truck gets.
Congrats on landing the J O B !
The scoot will be sorted out....you'll see.
Stig
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After not hearing anything from my dealer, I called them a few minutes ago to get a status update on my Like. Well, nothing has changed since the last time I talked to them, 6 days ago. Supposedly, they are still waiting on Kymco to give them a call to let them know what they need to do.
It has now been 3 weeks that my Like has been at the shop, and I still don't have an ETA as to when it will be fixed, or even what needs to be done to fix it. Needless to say, I'm not happy. I start work tomorrow and I need to drive my truck that gets 13 mpg. I bought my Like to save money on fuel, but if I can't ride it then it is costing me money that I can't afford.
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It has now been 3 weeks that my Like has been at the shop, and I still don't have an ETA as to when it will be fixed, or even what needs to be done to fix it.
The downside of fuel injection! If you eventually decide to look for another ride, include the Sym RV200 (http://alliancepowersports.com/models/rv.html) in your research . . which has both a carburetor and a kick-start lever.
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Don't sound like the dealer is trying very hard...this will be interesting to monitor since we will all be there eventually. Good luck..sorry!!
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May not be relevant to your problem, but an interesting read . . Honda Elite 110 malfunction indicator light issue (http://www.urbanscootin.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=128436#p128436).
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EFI.
I'm a big fan of fuel injection - as my VW mechanics explained to me when I went from a bug to a Rabbit, (Jetta, Golf, & then Vanagon): "EFI ain't rocket science - it is dead simple to diagnose issues."
And over the next 40 yrs of driving EFI cars - I never had to replace a part that cost more than a few bucks - and learned which symptoms were caused by which failed $8 sensor, every few years.
Maybe it is just that Bosch EFI is fool proof - but also have 200K+ miles on a couple of EFI'd Japanese cars with no issues.
I have certainly read posts from a lot of people who are trying to sus their carbed scooters.
Have of late decided that sorting carb issues is often more art than science.
That the Kymco LIKE 200 had that "i" tacked on there was a big selling point for me - as i plan to commute to work in cold, heat and rain....and need this thing to fire without fail.
Admittedly no small engine expert here...........
Still
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Well said Stig! ;)
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EFI.
I'm a big fan of fuel injection - as my VW mechanics explained to me when I went from a bug to a Rabbit, (Jetta, Golf, & then Vanagon): "EFI ain't rocket science - it is dead simple to diagnose issues."
And over the next 40 yrs of driving EFI cars - I never had to replace a part that cost more than a few bucks - and learned which symptoms were caused by which failed $8 sensor, every few years.
Maybe it is just that Bosch EFI is fool proof - but also have 200K+ miles on a couple of EFI'd Japanese cars with no issues.
I have certainly read posts from a lot of people who are trying to sus their carbed scooters.
Have of late decided that sorting carb issues is often more art than science.
That the Kymco LIKE 200 had that "i" tacked on there was a big selling point for me - as i plan to commute to work in cold, heat and rain....and need this thing to fire without fail.
Admittedly no small engine expert here...........
Still
I agree Stig. I am a mechanic by trade, but a large truck/bus mechanic. EFI is incredibly simple to direct you to the right direction where you can then easily do some basic tests to confirm if particular sensors are causing your problems or if it is something else (like a wire harness or a bad ground or a bad connection). This is what is causing me to not be happy with what is going on. It should take less than a day for the shop to find out what the scooter needs, contact Kymco, and then wait for their response, which they say is what they have done.
However, the first time that I dropped my Like off for a warranty repair (which was the first time in this thread), the scooter was diagnosed, parts were ordered and received, and I had it back fixed in about 2 weeks. If it took this other dealership 2 weeks turn around time, then why has it taken the current dealership 9 days to reset the check engine light, then another 2 weeks to try to find out what parts are needed or what they actually need to do to fix it? I just don't understand.
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If it took this other dealership 2 weeks turn around time, then why has it taken the current dealership 9 days to reset the check engine light, then another 2 weeks to try to find out what parts are needed or what they actually need to do to fix it? I just don't understand.
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This must be really frustrating for you, as a big engine mechanic , to wait for these 'experts' to figure out what's going on with your engine that has a piston the size of a tea cup!
Man, if it wasn't under warranty - I'd be tempted to start doing my own diagnostic 'fix' (by which I mean : "OK, let's start replacing parts here... If this part doesn't cure the problem it will be good to have this new part as a spare!" )
Hang in there - and do keep us posted. Again, congrats on the new job!
Stig
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Thanks Stig for the well wishes!!
I went by the dealership today and got an update.
Come to find out, Kymco America is trying to see if the TPS (throttle position sensor) can be replaced by itself. Apparently you can remove the TPS from the throttle body, but no one can find a part number for it. So, they are going back and forth trying to see if there is a TPS that they can order, or if they have to order the entire throttle body and/or computer in order to just get the TPS.
Here's the kicker that really got under my skin. The service guy looked at the record on the ticket and it showed that they called Kymco on November 6th and November 12th. Both of those days just happen to be the days that I called to get an update. So they have only called Kymco twice in the last 2 weeks that my Like has been at their shop. That is unacceptable to me.
The service guy told me that the next time they could call is next Tuesday since they are closed every Sunday and Monday. WHAT??? They are seriously getting on my last nerve. I feel as though I have been very patient, and I have been on the other side of the counter behind a service desk. I would never treat a custom the way I am being treated. The squeeky wheel gets the grease, and it is about time for me to start being squeeky until I get my Like back.
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98cavgt,
Don't know if this will help...........
(and yeah....that throttle body assembly seems listed as one part for @$218)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/33n8c2u.jpg)
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Thanks Stig!
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I went and talked to the service guys today. I, politely, informed them of how long my Like has been in the shop(today makes 4 weeks) and that I need an answer today as to what is going to happen. I was going to stop by again before 5 pm and was going to get an answer.
Well, I just received a phone call from the dealership. The service guy tells me that they are going to replace the entire throttle body, just like what Stig said needed to be done. The throttle body is being shipped over night and I should get my scooter back tomorrow sometime.
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Good deal!
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Great to hear. I hope that this fix allows you to enjoy your scooter and not have to fight it out with your dealer again. On the plus side maybe your dealer learned a thing or two about keeping a customer in the loop. ;)
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Great to hear. I hope that this fix allows you to enjoy your scooter and not have to fight it out with your dealer again. On the plus side maybe your dealer learned a thing or two about keeping a customer in the loop. ;)
One can only hope!
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One can only hope!
91cavgt,
ALRIGHT~!
OK, you rascal - now you know .....you gotta start that 1000KM break-in cycle again since you're getting a major scooter organ transplant! Quarter throttle, half throttle, full beans after a year or so............
Enjoy, and remember that's not a clutch over there!
Stig
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Might consider installing a temperature meter (http://www.trailtech.net/digital-gauges/tto/temperature) to monitor spark plug cylinder head temperature. One of the usual suspects for a cracked piston (http://symforum.com/index.php?topic=3156.msg18462#msg18462) is a lean air-fuel mixture.
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I received a phone call today at noon from the dealership. My scooter was ready to be picked up! So, I hoped in my truck and headed down to the dealership. After picking up my Like, I took it on a test ride to make sure it was working as it should be. So after a 15 mile ride to work and hitting a top speed of 65 mph on the interstate, I am happy to say that it is back to running like it has been!!
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I received a phone call today at noon from the dealership. My scooter was ready to be picked up! So, I hoped in my truck and headed down to the dealership. After picking up my Like, I took it on a test ride to make sure it was working as it should be. So after a 15 mile ride to work and hitting a top speed of 65 mph on the interstate, I am happy to say that it is back to running like it has been!!
SUPER!
(been following this like Downton Abbey, Season 3 !)
Good for you - seriously. A man has got to have his scooter healthy!
Ride fast and s a f e !
Stig
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Glad to hear! Congrats!
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Woo Hoo! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D