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Title: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on January 31, 2013, 03:36:04 AM
ok looking to ordering new roller weights but i have no idea what size they are?? anyone know???  also which way should i go if i want higher speed with lower rpm thanks the only mod i have is, i got a leo vince 4scoot exhaust on it... everything else is stock.. anybody know of a intake? i search for an k&N but no matches
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: Peters on January 31, 2013, 04:39:09 AM
You want heavier rollers

23X18 I think

Look up your model on Racing Planet
http://www.racingplanetusa.com/index.php?sessID=64e80e5bfa495d5543dba3603a281d97 (http://www.racingplanetusa.com/index.php?sessID=64e80e5bfa495d5543dba3603a281d97)
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: ce on January 31, 2013, 05:32:57 AM
Wow, Racing Planet is awesome, they've got the coolest stuff.

Try the Naraku 23 grams, or the Malossi Multivar, and get a belt, and the vario tool, let us know how you do.

Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: Peters on January 31, 2013, 06:02:18 AM
They're great

Haven't ordered anything from them myself but I hear they're good

... And from what I understand they do have a distribution center in the US
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on January 31, 2013, 06:04:08 AM
They're great

Haven't ordered anything from them myself but I hear they're good

... And from what I understand they do have a distribution center in the US

yeah 140 for a belt is a lil bit too much for me... found  one for 56 oem belt
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: Peters on January 31, 2013, 06:20:44 AM
Absolutely

Not saying they have the best prices. If you can find it somewhere else cheaper by all means buy it. I just suggested them because you can find parts specific to your make and model... i.e. roller size... Always search for a cheaper price.
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on January 31, 2013, 06:42:02 AM
ok so my next question is... to remove the variator nut, i either need a impact drill or a tool to hold the variator in place... well is there an specific torque setting???  since i cant set a torque in my drill... any suggestions?
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: TechGuy on January 31, 2013, 07:53:24 AM
I had no luck with just the impact wrench.  The People and Xciting are essentially the same variator.  See my thread http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=1837.0 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=1837.0)
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: TechGuy on January 31, 2013, 07:56:42 AM
Here's my post about DR Pully Sliders.  I got them from a Buggy shop, NW Buggy IIRC. They work great and take out the dead spot in the middle of the power band. Make sure to get them in the correct way.

http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=2731.msg26727#msg26727 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=2731.msg26727#msg26727)
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: de dee on January 31, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
   when you install rollers or sliders do you put them in at 6 oclock or 12 oclock metal facing to the right,. thanks for any info,.
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: TechGuy on January 31, 2013, 09:29:14 PM
Did you read the post  I referenced in the last posting?  I have photos and a drawing.  I know the drawing that come with the sliders is confusing.
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on February 01, 2013, 02:06:46 AM
Thanks for all the info.... Just debating if I should go to 22g or 24g
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: Tailgate on April 06, 2013, 01:11:56 AM
I am a new registered member of this forum. I have been following this forum for probably five years, but this is my first post. I recently moved for a new job and that move leaves me with a 30 mile commute, mostly 4-lane highway travel. I was excited to be able to ride my Xciting 250 on the commute until I discovered that in order to keep up with traffic I was forcing my rpm's into the dreaded red zone. I was seriously thinking about selling the scoot and buying a motorcycle, but a scooter fits me (and my being). Then I read about the use of heavier roller weights/sliders on this forum and after much consideration (and against the recommendation of the local Kymco Dealer) I ordered a set of 22g. Dr. Pulley sliders. I installed them last night and commuted the 30 miles today. I don't want to overstate the difference, but I feel like I am riding a completely different scooter. Pick up from a dead start is immediate as opposed to a slight hesitation, over all pick up is better, and at 120km's/hr I have reduced my engine speed by 400 rpms! I now cruise at 120 km's/ hr at a comfortable 7,100 rpm's. I am ecstatic! Time will tell if this was the right decision, but at the moment ;D I couldn't be happier. Thanks to all for your help!
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: Vivo on April 06, 2013, 01:37:34 AM
Welcome to the forum Tailgate and good job you did there! 
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on April 06, 2013, 04:55:30 AM
Tailgate welcome to the forum..... i do have to say that i find the speedometer is a little bit off... at top speeds is about 5 miles off.... just a little fyi.... i ended up ordering 22g holga rollers...
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on May 04, 2013, 04:32:30 AM
Ok anyone following this post.... I change new belt, since I was going to open the variator I also change the rollers... With a22g... I read couple post up a guy change his stock to 22g sliders and he got what I been looking for as for performance.... So I was exited when I put my 22g rollers and took a test ride...i was disappointed to see no improvement... I made sure rollers were installed the right way..... Any advice? Please help
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: MotoRandy123 on May 04, 2013, 11:37:38 AM
Well sliders and rollers are a bit different. The (22g) sliders will give you a higher RPM to accelerate
and a lower RPM at the top end for more top speed. A lighter roller will give you higher RPM's at all
speeds so slightly better acceleration and slightly lower top speed...

What performance improvement were you looking for?
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on May 04, 2013, 03:05:02 PM
I need lower RPM at top speed right now iget about 65@7500rpm(right at redline).... stock rollers are 20g  put 22g with no change..... May be I need 26g to get same performance as the 22g sliders?
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: MotoRandy123 on May 04, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
Well heavier should lower the revs. Did you weigh the stock ones to make sure they were 20?
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on May 04, 2013, 04:14:07 PM
yeah that was my 1st tough and they all are 20g.... sencond i double check the rollers were installed the right way and they are....all fluids are good just stump... at 22g i should had seen at least a little improvement.. but im getting same performance as my stock rollers and im wondering if i order 24g i migh not get what im looking for and if i order 26g or it could be too heavy anything that i might be missing???
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: MotoRandy123 on May 04, 2013, 08:13:53 PM
Hmm strange. I added epoxy to my rollers on my Yager and noticed a difference. They only added
0.6 - 0.7g to the stock value and it changed by 500 rpm so would expect your "fixed RPM" to go up
by around 1000 RPM.

Did you disassemble the rear pulley at all? The reason I ask is that one time I reassembled my rear
pulley and the collar didn't bottom and so it was like a stiffer spring back there which equals lighter
rollers...
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on May 05, 2013, 04:08:07 AM
i didnt take it a part... just the required taken off to put new belt... i did blow compress air to get all the dust off...  would a dirty front pull pulley cause my problem??
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: MotoRandy123 on May 05, 2013, 10:19:14 AM
No dirt would let the belt slip a little at first until it cleaned itself off. If there were any washers
in the variator and they were put in the wrong place or if the new rollers were a different diameter
you would see a difference. The new belt should give you a little too. Did you buy the OEM belt?
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: xciting250-pigglet09 on May 05, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
No variator has ok only 6 pieces was put back corrwctly torque was to specs, but i'm wondering if its overtorque, I order the right side rollers but I think I should double check if in fact its the right size im as stump,
Title: Re: Variator Rollers
Post by: rb250 on July 10, 2013, 12:04:45 AM
just put in 22gram dr pulley siders and its a diff bike between 30- 50 it feels like its elec,  no clanking very quiet and smooth prob dropped the tach at top speed by 700 - 1000 rpms also last trip in northern wi got 75 mpg 2 up.   only have 800 miles on bike so I didn't replace anything else
also did sliders on my wifes yager and same thing.    they both lost a little takeoff speed but well worth it