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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Super 8 150 => Topic started by: Esquivel on October 05, 2012, 02:30:54 AM
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6'2 300lbs guy looking at the Super 8 150 as a daily commuter for 48 miles, 12 miles 4 times. Kymco's quality is great from what I researched. Looked into a Super 8 50 a few years ago as a joy rider before I lost my job. Was pleasantly surprised to now see a 150 available. Not too worried about fit or top speed. 45-55 mph is all I need. I'm mostly worried about engine and CVT wear and tear riding everyday for years to come? How many life miles could a normal user expect. Should I expect less? Any other issues I should be concerned about with mpg, top speed, etc?
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My wife rides pillion everyday.. that's a total of 320lbs... lots of obstacles like rain and potholes... my Super 8 is 125cc is still as smooth as silk since I got it last year... belt is still original at 11,000 on the odometer... just do the normal maintenance schedules and it will last years and years... The super8 has a stiff suspension and is very stable if the rider is heavy. I noticed when I'm alone, the rear is jumpy... so, I think at 300lbs. , the 150cc would be fine...
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Thanks Vivo, for the price and sportiness I am really excited about this Super 8. Its good to know that 2 of your are equaling me and riding without problems. ;-)
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You're welcome Esquivel... Just be careful with those original tires, they are quite slippery somtimes in the rain. I might look for better tires when the time comes.
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The bike is built to handle two people so 300lbs should not pose a problem. The engine is a GY6 motor. Most common motor in the world as just about everything in Asia seems to run it... it has been around for over 20 years. There hasn't been any real changes to it simply because it performs as well as it does and parts are very available... as are upgrade kits. The tires that come stock are great tires but they are very hard rubber... in the dry, the do just fine but they can't grip anything in the wet... if you get different tires with softer rubber, they will grip better in the wet but will not last over 10k miles (maybe not 3k depending how grippy they are). If you are driving in a lot of wet weather, definitely trade them out but otherwise I doubt they will be a problem.
Just FYI... the speedometer reads about 10% faster than what you are actually doing... at 60mph, you are really doing 55mph... and it won't go much faster without mods. It has no trouble getting to "60mph" but it struggles at anything past it. If you are going to be on a freeway, definitely do a larger bike because minimum speed on the freeway is the bike maxed out.
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Thanks skishades. I've heard of the GY6 before, didn't know the Super 8 had it, that's great to know. I like having that kind of parts, rebuild and maintenence ability that's not a Honda or Suzuki etc.
I don't need the freeway on my commute. Basically I can avoid it with plenty of back roads. If I did ever take the freeway it's only a 3 mile stretch. But even so I had considered a few minor mods. Would an exhaust and a K&N filter in place of the airbox, or whatever it has, open it up any significant amount? This becoming my daily rider I wouldn't really want to get into the engine at all. Maybe some carb jet tweeks as well would help?
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Esquivel: I purchased a 2012 Super 8 150 to keep @ my parents home in Florida. They are getting older & I want to visit them like 4-5 times a year. I won't take delivery until November 6th (when I come down) BTW....I own a Kymco GT300i up here in my hometown (Magnolia/Gloucester, MA.)
I owned the Kymco People S200 (163cc air-cooled engine) It's really the same GY6 engine as the Super 8. It's damn near bullet-proof! As another poster mentioned, it's been in production for countless years now. I was around 220 lbs. when I was riding the S200 & I have packed-on a few since then. Trust me...It will be more then fine! I would feel a little uneasy about the highway with a Super 8 150, but that's just me (i.e. I don't like highways even w/ my GT300i)
Pull the trigger! It's a soild scoot for fairly short money!
Good Luck!
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A new Super 8 150 is set up at optimum as it starts with 13 gram rollers in the CVT, and is balanced for takeoff and top end for a long time.
I got a used one with 5000 miles, and when I opened the CVT to inspect, there was only minor wear on the belt and drive face, and the rollers were still servicable for another 3-5000 miles at least, and maybe more.
The stock drive weighs 300 grams, so I put in a standard gy6 one that weighs 237, and went to 14 gram rollers to keep the RPMs down at WOT. Top speed is 63 MPH and 55 is comfortable.
I tried a 108 jet, but it seems to rob power by being to rich, so I replaced it with the stock 102 and left the stock 35 pilot jet alone.
Not much tuning is required, but if you care to, most gy6 parts will work, Keihin jets and 18x14 rollers, replacement belt is 23100 KEC4 9000
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Yup, not too much tuning, just good ol' maintenance and TLC... ;D
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Thanks for the great info guys. I was going to ask about some specific parts numbers and what jets to use. But you all set the table.
I hadn't planned on purchasing this year. With how things are going for me, I figure maybe early spring 2013 to have enough for buying OTD. Any of you ever finance one of these? I have a Ural dealer of all places who deals in Kymco. Or a guy with BMS and Roketa, but I want the Kymco, asap. I would feel more comfortable spending an extra K on the Kymco.
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Chinese crap are crap but they are ok. I had one before... the engine is good, but other parts are not, like panels, screws, wires, lights, etc. You will be surely satisfied with a Kymco... I might get another one... if the missus approves... :D
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The chinese bikes are cheap... they have no parts distributer in the US. I read you would need to buy 2 so you have the parts you need in case one breaks down... until the parts distribution improves, I would steer clear. Kymco's Super 8 150 is made in China, but it is not a chinese scoot and I can testify how well Kymco stands by their bikes as I did have a rare warranty work done on the carburetor with no problems or hassles.
Just FYI on upgrading your engine... the pipes will help but the carb may need adjustment afterward... A better air filter will prevent more gunk from getting into the engine but the oil filter is a simple screen mesh... the engine is crude and not delicate so it can handle the "gunk" as it were... If you do anything to the piston, carburetor or other significant part of the engine, you kinda have to go all in and upgrade everything... A larger carb won't help without a bigger piston, which won't get enough air without a better air filter nor will it exhaust effectively without a better exhaust... The good news is, it doesn't cost that much for a complete overhaul... my understanding is about 1000 to 1500 dollars for everything. A pipe is more about sound than significant performance unless you do the overhaul and the variator seems to be the popular change. I changed the lights to LED on mine but haven't touched the engine yet but I'm sure that is only a matter of time... Good luck.
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Honestly....I wouldn't tweak anything on the Super 8 myself. There is no real reason to! What are going to pick-up a few MPH on the top end? Keep it stock & she'll take care of you. It's a real simple straight forward engine. I could see if someone has a 50cc 2T engine, then tweaking comes into play. Save your coin this Fall & Winter & grab a Super 8 in the Spring. As I mentioned, I bought one to keep @ my parents home in FL. Anyway...I mailed the dealer cheks for $1200.00, $800.00 & then finally $500.00. I'll put the remainder on my CC.
Here is what I paid:
$2295.00 (2013 Red/White Kymco Super 8)
$195.00 (Dealer Prep & Freight)
$139.00 (Shad Red 33 Liter Top Case)
$35.00 (Kymco Truck Mount Kit Kymco SKU#K0SP59ST)
$40.00 (Deltran Battery Tender Jr. Battery Float Charge Pigtail)
All these prices include installation. A fair deal if you ask me. She (Heidi @ Tropical Scooters of Vero Beach) charged me $195.00 for dealer prep, but gave me $200.00 off the reatil price. Try to score the Super 8 around what I paid (if you can)
Good Luck!
PS: This is my favorite YouTube video of the Super 8. Play it back @ 720P resolution. Looks nice!
2012 Kymco Super 8 150 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dURGI9yithc#ws)
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Yeah, keep it stock... the engine is basic and bullet proof... no check engine issues, to electronic issues, just oil it and fill'er up, twist and go...
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Vivo: I agree as well that the Chinese aren't there yet. But there is one company called Bintelli (Znen Built) that's is doing it right from the start. Setting-up a solid dealer networks, parts & making an excellent scooter. I went to see this Bintelli Havoc 150cc here:
http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc (http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc)
I spent 1+ looking one over. It's the best Chinese scooter I have ever seen. Plastics were of Kymco quailty. They use only stainless-steel hardware. 2-year warranty, Motobatt battery (excellent battery), NGK plug, Gates belt, Deni carb., Duro tires & Halogen lights. Znen is by far & away the best Chinese-built scooter factory. They started up about a year ago & I think they'll be the leader (quality wise) That Havoc 150cc runs $1600.00 minues dealer prep. Check out the Product Photo Gallery @ the top. It's a very cool scooter with those wide 13" tires. It's kind of a Yamaha Zuma knock-off.
I really considered it very hard, but decided to spend the extra $800.00 for the Super 8. Trust me....A few years from now you'll start to see good quailty scooters coming from the mainland. I think Bintelli is almost there. Here is a quick article about Bintelli.
http://digital.dealernews.com/nxtbooks/advanstar/dn0912/#/12 (http://digital.dealernews.com/nxtbooks/advanstar/dn0912/#/12)
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Great find MassScoot!... I'm quite a fan of Chinese scooters myself. I can live with the poor plastic and other stuff but the only thing I cannot accept is the fast yellowing of the headlight lens of all Chinese scoots. This is the one thing I cannot prevent from happening. If the quality of this part improves, I will surely buy one...again...
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The original Japanese bikes to the US had the same problem with parts distribution and that was before the internet... look at Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda today. Chinese bikes are definitely here to stay and they know what they need to work out to really dominate the market. I like that the Bintelli website was not in Engwish... It was well built and read easily... which indicates they know their market a little better than some of the other chinese brands.
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They all started copying.. the Japanese copies the U.S., then the Taiwanese, then the Koreans, now the Chinese.... but at the end of the day, they stop copying and dominate a big part of the market. Now, the Chinese hire Italian designers and German engineers to really be felt in the market...
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Kymco was smart when they moved a lot of their factories over to China. Taiwanese labor costs are simply over-the-top now. I mean....Buying a Kymco Super 8 for $2300.00 (US Dollars) is a steal IMHO! If that was manufactured in Tiawan, the price would be an extra $600.00+
I like the Bintelli line, but they are just getting started & don't have enough dealers yet. So that's a Chinese signature? Yellowing of the plastics on the speedo? Either way...I think Kymco is the best that scooters have to offer here in the US. Not to say Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, SYM & Piaggio don't offer some soild scoots, just that Kymco is eating the marketshare as I write this.
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keep in mind, Kymco is not a chinese scooter company... made in China and being a chinese brand are two completely different things. I do agree that if Kymco can increase the production in China, they can significantly increase their market share. They already produce a quality product for a good price... but that price is only great on the Super 8... they need their people line and large bikes to meet that quality and price point too. It will happen... just don't know when.
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My Super 8 had been thru storms, floods, hot sun, pot holes, wots, and lots of wots.... it's 14 months old and still looks and feels new.... made in China? doesnt bother me a bit... ;)
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Vivo: I'm heading down to my parents home on November 6th. My new Kymco Super 8 will be waiting for me in their garage. I can't wait to get on her & rack-up some miles! You're so correct that just because it's made in China, it's still a Kymco! Doesn't matter IMHO as well.
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Vivo: I'm heading down to my parents home on November 6th. My new Kymco Super 8 will be waiting for me in their garage. I can't wait to get on her & rack-up some miles! You're so correct that just because it's made in China, it's still a Kymco! Doesn't matter IMHO as well.
Ride safe! ;)
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Don't forget to dress up in the proper riding attire for your new scoot...
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Car vs bike... If only Kymco used German engineers, you wouldn't need a helmet... you would need a special license and sign an agreement to only use it for the betterment of mankind...