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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 500 => Topic started by: jerry2 on September 24, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
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I got a new (leftover) 2010 500 Ri last week and am loving it. Today I rode it to the coffee shop and someone comes out and tells me it was laying on its side in the parking lot. I had left it on the side stand, rear wheel brake not on, but on a slight uphill grade so it would take some kind of contact to lay it over. The bike is white. I was shocked that it had no fairing damage, just a little to the black under the foot area where it fell over. When we examined the bike there was a tiny black mark on the left rear that makes me think someone backed into it and then took off when it fell. Riding it home I noticed the throttle seemed to stick and saw the bar end was bent at an angle. The bolt that runs through the bar end had bent in the fall. I managed to loosen the bolt a couple of turns and operation went back to normal though still bent at an angle.
My impression is that this is one tough bike and well designed to protect the fairing in a fall. I previously owned a Piaggio MP3 500 and if it went down the fairings showed it. I have been a little concerned in parking the Kymco on a downhill or left to right slope. Has anyone else had one go down while parked? What were the circumstances?
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Hi Jerry2
and welcome to the forum. I bought a new 09 Xciting500Ri back in January at the age of 64 with no experience. I started riding short distances without a problem but the right hand turns would put me on the ground a couple of times. I accumulated a few scrapes and scratches along the way. My friend and next door neighbor races the big boys (MotoGP) and has a motorcycle dream garage. We purchased some paint and sand paper and before we could begin repair I had a pretty serious event with a deer and now the insurance agent is involved and the dealer is going to repair or replace. To answer your question I've never had the 500 fall off the side stand. So all my fairing damage was from learner's stupidity or unavoidable crash. It sounds like your damge needs only some 600-800 sandpaper and black magic marker. Wish I could say the same. Ride the hell out of it.
Mike
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I love my Super 8 because its black! lots of scrapes and it still looks new... thanks to sandpaper and black paint marker...
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try this velcro wrap to secure your front brake also.... hope this helps...
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Note to self. Use center stand.
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Note to self. Use center stand.
Yes, and that too... plus unicorn piss for your new scoot... ;)
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Yes, and that too... plus unicorn piss for your new scoot... ;)
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Sad pregnant unicorn. The 100 octane uni-piss is the the awesome sauce.
The knocked up unicorn is the sad panda eating the tourist of the pregnant unicorn genre. Can't wipe that pic off my eyeballs or some effer knocking over my scooter.
Kind of want scooter knocker over to have to look at the pregnant unicorn picture for a few minutes.
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When we examined the bike there was a tiny black mark on the left rear that makes me think someone backed into it and then took off when it fell.
jerry2., you said a tiny black mark. Is the black mark the paint from the car that bumped the scoot? If it is, you can remove that by using a 2000 grit sandpaper and water. Wet the sandpaper and rub lightly to remove the paint, make sure the sandpaper is always wet. Don't use rubbing compound or wax. It will just seal in the paint from the car and make it more difficult to remove. After this, you can apply wax and buff.
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I try to use the center stand whenever I can. The times I don't is when I'm parked uphill. That thing can be a bugger to try to get off the stand then. Those are the times I use the side stand. I always use the parking brake.
Have you tried one of those pads you put under your side stand? I bought one as a souvenier from this place in tennessee (deals gap motorcycle resort) but you can find them anywhere that motorcycles are sold. It really helps when the ground is soft or you just want a better footing.
I've even heard of people crushing a soda / beer can and using it for that purpose.
Ride safe.
Don in KC.
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If I park on a down hill slope, (slope down from front of the bike-forward), I use the parking break. What I try to do is to park on a slope that makes the rear tire a little lowwer than the front, (backward slope). The only way the bike could roll back wards is if the slope was really high/bad. It would have to drag the side stand along with the bike to roll or fall down. :-*
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The center stand is something of a problem for me. I'm 5' 5.5" and weight 145. So far I haven't been able to get it on the center stand. In fact, I thinking about having some kind of lever or handle built to give me a greater fulcrum. When I had the Piaggio MP3 500 I could barely get it on the center stand but there you have 2 front wheels that lock in place and keep the bike level. This one is more difficult.
I guess I should give a little background on myself. I never had a motorcycle before age 74. I went through a couple and then bought the Piaggio. At 75 I rode from Dallas to SC by way of TN and the Tail of the Dragon, 2,431 miles total. My daughter didn't like me going alone but has given up on that. I rode Dallas to New Orleans last year (531 miles in 1 day) and decided I had done enough long distance riding in 100 degree + heat and I sold the Piaggio. That left me with a Honda PCX. Someone stole that so I decided I should get something heavier that I could take on the highway. That brought me to the Xciting, less than a month after birthday 79. Don't let the numbers fool you; I'm in good health and the Xciting feels like the bike I should have. I find it very comfortable except I am on tiptoes when stopped.
Thanks for all the repair information.
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i am 6'1" and 260lbs. It is a tough bit to get the 2009 xc 500ri on the center stand. It is a lot harder to knock over on the center stand. I had the last bike a 2007 xc 250 sink in my driveway and fall over during the monsoon. It was on the centerstand and it still fell over.
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For some dumb reason I stopped by the Harley Davidson Dealer on one of the busiest Saturdays (It's one of the nicest stores in town). They have a drive with angled slots for parking bikes only. The problem is the whole conbobulation is slightly downhill. Of course I headed straight in, Walked away and my Xct. 250 just rolled forward enough to release the kick stand and it fell over. What an embarassment. I am glad to hear others mention raising the bike on the center stand. I
too find it difficult usually only using it when I change the oil. The tip here may be always park
uphill and slightly across the grade. I don't have a Parking Brake.
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Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
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The first thing I would have done is ask if there were any parking lot cams and figured out who the hell hit my scoot then left. Next, Called the cops for a hit and run or found where they lived at.
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A friend once showed me the error of my ways on how I was putting my SYM 250 on the center stand.
1. Make sure you have a good grip on your bike.
2. Push down on the center stand and let the bike lean fwd a little.
3. When you feel the center stand making contact on both feet, Stand UP on the center stand. The bike should go right up on the stand.
With the old way, I was always having the bike lean towards me a little. I felt I had better control of it. However, when I would finally get it up on the center stand it would pivot a little towards me and to the right. That was what happens when all the weight is on one leg of the center stand.
Before I sold my 250 (397 lbs) I could put it up on the center stand with very little effort.
I hope that helps.
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Ha, I have a 79 yamaha XS1100 (630 lbs dry weight+ saddle bags+ full fairing+full tank=680 lbs +/-) Im 6'2"/ 1.88m, 188 lbs/ 88 Kg +/- lol, I center stand it every where. Its all about the motion in the ocean, push down on the front as your kicking the stand down, then roll it back as you let the front up. Front brake lock helps a lot for them hilly lots when sitting.
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I'll give it a try. I know it will take some technique I haven't learned yet. The bike is 485 lbs dry and I am 145 wet. Technique is required.
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Scooter on Centre Stand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRR5uNITd3U#ws)
If this lady can put this 650 Burgman on the centerstand you can do it..
Suzuki 650 Burgman centerstand technique II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VPeDqKSj5c#)
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Thats awesome, chick maybe weighs 100 lbs.
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Hi Jerry2
As a novice rider I remember my first serious drop occurred at the top of a sharp hill. When I reached the top I ran up on a stop sign. I was trying to balance the bike, look to my right and make the turn all at the same time. Well big bertha rolled back on me and flipped. A nice man stopped and helped me pick it up and I had some pretty bad scratches on it from the asphalt. It dawned on me that this would not be the last time I would drop this 500 lb chunk of plastic and motor. I started looking and thinking and came across these spool like attachments called "frame sliders". And all the Harleys and big boys had "crash bars" Could find nothing that was applicable to the maxi scooters. These would be perfect to prevent fairing damage but I don't know how or what they would attach to. Crash bars would probably require some special machining in a shop that could bend pipe. Anyway just a thought. Any ideas from the wrench heads out there would help. Thanks
Mike
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The first time I placed my scoot on center stand, it got off balanced and the handle bar placed a dent on my parked car's fender... an expensive lesson...
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Hi Vivo!
Been there done that. except it was the side stand that I forgot to put down. By the way what are your thoughts on frame sliders or crash bars on a scooter. The down side is that there is a deficit of structural components to attach anything to. The plastic will break or bend and structural metal is not available in the areas that require protection. Apply your mechanical brain and see what you come up with.
Thanks,
Mike
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Mike,
Here is an example of DIY sliders here. They are made from engineering plastic and bolted at a convenient part of the scooter. Pictured here is a Super 8 with the slider attached on the foot peg/foot rest plate. It replaced one of the bolts there. I think the deficit is very minimal here because the part was designed to withstand the weight of a passenger. Plus, engineering plastic does not break, it's sort of nylon of some kind. Some use the aluminum foot pegs of BMX bikes. Personaly, I don't like sliders because It limits my squeezing-in in between cars during heavy traffic. ;D If my scoot falls...well...that's destiny... ;D
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Thanks! the application looks simple. We don't have the squeeze through problem too much here in the states so I might give this idea a try.
Mike
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I don't know where to get engineering plastic there but here they're available at industrial parts/supply stores in chinatown.
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You ask for Delrin or Acetel. Not good for Gluing. Look for a Plastics
House such as United Plastics (Lima Ohio). Comes in a wide variety of diameters
and can be quite expensive. Machines better than Nylon.
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Thanks Vivo and yourbestfriend,
There are a mutitude of sliders available in the Motorcycle parts supply for Honda and Susuki sportbikes. Application to the XC500 should not be that difficult. I'm thinking about removing the passenger footpeg and bolting them on at that connection. I need to get the scooter back from the Dealer and then I will look at an application. It is going to be in pretty good condition and I want to protect the fairing from any future damage. Would still like to see a scooter/crash bar application.
Thanks, Mike