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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: blue on August 13, 2012, 10:47:21 PM
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who can tell me why the wireing comeing from the battery to the elc. start gets way to hot and the scoot wont start. (wtf) its got to be somethong in the wireing some wear.is there a relay that might needs replaced.
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..it's because the starter motor is not meant to be run for a long time without cooling down..
..the wiring is probably the weakest link in the circuit, and will get hot due to the excessive amp draw created my the starter working so hard...
..they are powerful little electric motors, that along with the gearing ratio of the bendix, are able to turn those 4t engines fast enough to get the firing sequence in time...
..unfortunately, kymco uses slower, yet larger diameter starter motors on their 4t's than they do on their 2t engines..
..have never quite understood that, but itsa true story!!
..the people and super9 starters turn up waay faster than any 4t starter motor i've ever had...
..blue, find you a 2t starter motor, and all your starting troubles might go away...
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well said. thanks for makeing that point to me.
understand that.Guess my old starter is burnd out.
man I got to save some coin to get this thing fixed.
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..mattern of fact, i got a starter motor on the way from stadium yamaha...
..should be here day after 2moro....
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Mine is working funny. I took it of the scoot and hooked it up to the battery and it worked just fine.But when back on the scoot it well not work................the wires going to it gets hot .and it stopes working.
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Well blue the fact that you hooked it up away from the scoot and it worked fine tell me you have a bad wiring harness or fault in the wiring somewhere on the scoot. You would have to trace, disconnect and meter out every single wire to find it because simply replacing the motor would not work for you i domt think. If its working out the scoot fine then it is fine and the problem is the wiring. Something must have shorted out or be down to earth somewhere in your electrics.
Havent you got a lot of home-made mods all over that scoot for differemt issues youve had in the past? Im sure ive read soke of your posts in the past where youve said you got wires ran in for different stuff and things by-passed here and there? I would check all that 1st.
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Just to be sure blue, did the wiring get hot when you connected it to the battery or not? If it did then i would say starter is gone or going, if it didnt then i guess the starter is fine and it is the scoot wiring itself.
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Also there is a relay but i would think if that was sticking on then you would hear the scoot try to keep cranking over even after it started? Could be worth a look tho, think it would be cheap to buy, they look something like this.......
http://www.motoproject.it/catalog/STARTER-relay-KYMCO-AGILITY-50-R16-2008-2009-2010-2011 (http://www.motoproject.it/catalog/STARTER-relay-KYMCO-AGILITY-50-R16-2008-2009-2010-2011)
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as streido said, in the past found that if you ues scoth block conecters sometimes have problems always better cutting wire then solder and heat shrink over them. id check the loom first .
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any wireing I did to the scoot came straight from the battery.
I try not to touch to much of that stuff because I would rather be safe then sorry.
But it looks like I have to learn because Ill be rewireing the wireing comeing from the battery to the starter.
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ok guys help me out I have friday off of work and I want to get my scoot running. it kick starts fine.
the elc. starter works but for some reason when its on the scoot it well not turn it over. could it be because I dont have the rubber seal on the kick start cover and because I shaved the boss down a Little the bendix is not lineing up right and the elc, starte over heats. or is it a short in the wireing.
let me know what I should be looking for.I know I can fix this just need some help.
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could it be because I dont have the rubber seal on the kick start cover
..YES!!!!...it could very well be!!!
..also make sure you have the steel bushing for the starter bendix's pin to fit into, in the cvt cover...
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Starter motors draw lots of current. And, like word said they are not meant to be ran constantly. Not more than maybe 8-10 seconds. General rule of thumb is you let it rest just as much as it ran. 50/50. There is a word for this... I can't remember right now :-\... Got it! Duty cycle ;D
The motor ran off the scooter fine because it had no mechanical resistance. When it's turning the engine over it draws much more current. As the wire gets hotter the electrical resistance goes though the roof. Meaning less power. Why this is happening I don't know. Nicked wire or loose/corroded connection is the likely culprit.
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could it be because I dont have the rubber seal on the kick start cover
..YES!!!!...it could very well be!!!
..also make sure you have the steel bushing for the starter bendix's pin to fit into, in the cvt cover...
Or that... The motor could be trying to work too hard because of those two things
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You would think it would sound different though. Does it sound different blue? Slower or bogging down. Or even grinding.
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..well, i experienced the same thing back in th day...
..the bushing slipped out once...had starter issues a lil while before i figured it out...
..when i ran without my gasket, my clutch bell nut zinged the cover, and i spaced it out..
..then somebody suggested that i rtv the gasket to the cover and i said, well, duh.......
..why not...lol...
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Is a good idea. If I remember correctly my people has a rubber gasket sort of wedged in a grove on the cover. It's nice. The Z has a paper type that is broken in a 1 or 2 inch section and wants to fall off and break more every time I'm in there >:(. I run it anyway :D. I've noticed quite a few small things that are a little better quality with my People VS the ZX... I do love the ride on the Z though. So comfortable. Just needs a BBK ;D
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You would think it would sound different though. Does it sound different blue? Slower or bogging down. Or even grinding.
when I frist turn the scoot over it sounds ok but yet not strong enough to turn the scoot over and it dies down and gets quite.
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..ppl gasket fits waay better than a50s....
..how long does it sound "good"...
..like pete said... Duty cycle
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when I frist turn the scoot over it sounds ok but yet not strong enough to turn the scoot over and it dies down and gets quite.
It could be a bad armature or starter brushes. For all the effort I'd just replace it.
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It could be a bad armature or starter brushes. For all the effort I'd just replace it.
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I tryed a dif starter and it did the same thing. my mind is going. ponkers....................
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well could be you have two bad starters lol.
if it works ok on the bench id say its in the wireing.try tracing it all back. i know its a pain . un less if your over sized fuse from the bat has had something to do with it.blown a relay or somthing. not much help i know sorry
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well could be you have two bad starters lol.
if it works ok on the bench id say its in the wireing.try tracing it all back. i know its a pain . un less if your over sized fuse from the bat has had something to do with it.blown a relay or somthing. not much help i know sorry
no both startes are good I have put theam in my other scoot and they work fine. just dont work in the kymco. and the fuses are the right ones. So to trace this back to the relay switch.does the relay switch need to be working for the kick start to work right. because I dont under satand why the kick start works and not the elec.
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No Blue the relay has nothing to do with the kick start. The kick start is a mechanical starting system, the elec start is an electrical starting system. They are not connected in any way, well apart from they both crank the engine over, but they are totally seperate systems and should have no influence on each other.
It has to be a problem in your electrics, either in the wiring, the relay, the startet button, or the starter itself. All the relay is is a heavy duty switch that can take a larger current than the small button on the handlebars, you press the button on the bars and that activates the relay coil which pulls in the contacts to make the circuit for the starter ( or at least thats how any relays i worked with work).
You seem to have ruled out the starter itself being faulty since you said it works on another scoot, so it must be wiring, relay or elec start switch imo.
Can you borrow a relay from anyone else to try? Did you replace the wire that was burning up? Where did that wire come from and go to?
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..or the bendix is binding...he's not using the cvt cover gasket..
..that makes a world of difference...did on my a50 anyway...
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..or the bendix is binding...he's not using the cvt cover gasket..
..that makes a world of difference...did on my a50 anyway...
Yeah that too. Forgot he had no gasket. Could space it out with cork l rubber or even couple of washers on the corners of the cover to space it and see how that works?
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Could space it out with cork l rubber or even couple of washers on the corners of the cover to space it and see how that works?
..yup..that's what i did for a while...
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Could space it out with cork l rubber or even couple of washers on the corners of the cover to space it and see how that works?
..yup..that's what i did for a while...
Redneck :P
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..yeah baby!!!
..gotta make it work!!!
..then i did glue the gasket to the cover...
..that worked, and looked MUCH better...lol..
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wana see some red neck sh__ watch me hook up a pull start to it. I have one that just might work.
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wana see some red neck sh__ watch me hook up a pull start to it. I have one that just might work.
Now this i gotta see :o
Man Blue that sccot has been thro some crazy sh** over the years, dont break it now!
I take it all back, Word is no redneck, he aint even a pinkneck man, you got that side of it covered. Be carefull.
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Now this i gotta see :o
Man Blue that sccot has been thro some crazy sh** over the years, dont break it now!
I take it all back, Word is no redneck, he aint even a pinkneck man, you got that side of it covered. Be carefull.
dont worry ill take pictures...........
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watch me hook up a pull start to it.
..pics!!!!!!!!! pics!!!!!!!!!!!!
he aint even a pinkneck man
..dang...what the hell is that??
???
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Yeah, I gotta see this too
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..dang...what the hell is that??
Some one who thinks hes all cool, rough and redneck but actually is just kinda..........
(http://funmeme.com/image.axd?picture=Fat-Gay-Rednecks.jpg)
(http://buckaroos.homestead.com/files/b-rednecks.jpg)
:P
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...lmfao!!
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:D :D :D
Wow!
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LOL now I know which way you guys swing...........Dang I never would of thought...........
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...guy on the left looks like steven tyler...
;D
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I DONT BELEAVE IT..............I put the rubber seal back on the cvt cover.and cleaned the relay switch.which was corroded and a little wet. I think because it sits under the gas tank and the few times I over filled the tank it got wet. I also found the wires that go to the elc. starter was corroded so I replaced the wire with fresh. Hold on
tight guys you wont beleave what happen....................
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..wwowww.....just to think a rubber seal and some good wiring could make that mucha difference...
..it's a true story...
..we were all there!!
;D
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And I almost thought this thread was about Steven Tyler's redneck brother :D
Good job blue!
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And I was so ready to do the pull start think.
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And I was so ready to do the pull start think.
Phew!!! That poor little scoot had a lucky escape :)
Now leave it alone and remember to tell it you love it every morning before you try start it up. I think it was just feeling unloved and was giving you a cry for help, give it a big kiss and tell her it'll be alright, you wont leave her :D
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lmao
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Phew!!! That poor little scoot had a lucky escape :)
Now leave it alone and remember to tell it you love it every morning before you try start it up. I think it was just feeling unloved and was giving you a cry for help, give it a big kiss and tell her it'll be alright, you wont leave her :D
LOl ill leave my wife befor I leave my scoot...............
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LOl ill leave my wife befor I leave my scoot...............
Uhh.... Don't let her see that remark, or you might have to fix things with your wife as well... ;D
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Uhh.... Don't let her see that remark, or you might have to fix things with your wife as well... ;D
mmmm I wonder if can put a set of rollers and a new belt on her and sent her on her way..lol
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mmmm I wonder if can put a set of rollers and a new belt on her and sent her on her way..lol
Maybe you can trade her for a nice new chinese one? :D
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Maybe you can trade her for a nice new chinese one? :D
lol no shes a good women I can get a honda out of it..............
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lol no shes a good women I can get a honda out of it..............
:D