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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: mopedred on August 07, 2012, 01:20:51 AM
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I am getting a new agility 50 on friday. I've talked with the dealer about the OTD price.
But I have not talk to them about if it is derestricted or not or if they will derestrict it without
voiding the warranty. I was wondering what kind of speed I would get if I just changed the boss.
Or do I have to get a new cdi, boss, and jet. As you can tell I am not mechanicly inclined but I
plan on learning how to work on my scooter.
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..well, welcome to th forum!..
..and yeah, to get the best oem performance, you do need to do those things...
..the restrictions are in place due to speed laws, not because the scoot shouldnt run faster..
;D
..dont know about what your dealer will do..
..also, i have heard some of the NEW kymcos are coming out with the non-adjustable carbs...
..that really sux...
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If you plan on working on your scoot you'll be voiding the warranty anyway. And to be honest unless you're made of money and like waiting days to get your scooter serviced it's the only way to go. Just say F the warranty :). Seriously though you'll save more money in the long run by just doing your own service. If it's a daily driver that is. If you don't plan on putting a lot of miles on it then maybe you should pay the dealer. Just depends. I voided my warranty after my dealer charged me $250 to change the gear oil and spark plug :D. Never looked back either :)
Changing the drive boss should get you close to 40 mph. Not sure about the other restrictions on the Agility. I'm sure someone else on here will chime in.
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..well, welcome to th forum!..
..and yeah, to get the best oem performance, you do need to do those things...
..the restrictions are in place due to speed laws, not because the scoot shouldnt run faster..
;D
..dont know about what your dealer will do..
..also, i have heard some of the NEW kymcos are coming out with the non-adjustable carbs...
..that really sux...
Ha it does suck I have a few of those carbs they are sealed at the bottom only way of takeing the bottom off is to drill the bolds out.
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read Streido's Newbie guide to de-restricting and basic tuning
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Someone call? ;D
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=6198.0 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=6198.0)
With the boss and jet you should get 42mph on flats +/- 1-2mph. I would also recommend doing the 3 mods together. You dont need anw cdi, just cut the stock one. In the UK a derestriction costs around £60 at the dealers but if they do it then it should not void your warranty, ask tho. Warranties are great till you read the smallprint, must be serviced by dealer for the warranty period usually at crazy dealer labour and parts prices. In the long run it prob actually cost you more.
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I have a 2012 a 50 that luckily I bought gently used and said screw the warranty...
I couldn't take going 30ish. My 2012 had the tool kit with the new 82jet and smooth boss.
Did that and cut the cdi and never looked back. Well worth the time.
My carb is adjustable and I did need to cut the cdi ... These have been debatable on newer models.
Good luck! Enjoy!
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I have not derestricted mine but i decided to do mine own servicing so after the first month i lost my warranty, luckily i have never needed it as the scoot has never let me down not even a faulty bulb in the 14 months i have owned it. i have probably already saved a few hundred pounds in servicing plus i know it is running the best oil as i use castrol 10w40 fully synthetic racing oil....
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I talked to the Kymco dealer today. They said after the break in period when I bring it
back for the scooter's first inspection they will derestrict it for $45. I don't think they do
anything to the cdi though. They probably just change the boss. He said it would go 38mph
after they speed it up at the first check up. And the best thing is it does not void the warranty.
;D
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I talked to the Kymco dealer today. They said after the break in period when I bring it
back for the scooter's first inspection they will derestrict it for $45. I don't think they do
anything to the cdi though. They probably just change the boss. He said it would go 38mph
after they speed it up at the first check up. And the best thing is it does not void the warranty.
;D
You can buy cheap chinese unrestricted cdi's for under £10 ($13) off ebay normally, that way you can fit it and keep the original for anytme it has to go into tbe dealers and keep the warranty since they would never know.
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..cut that cdi....wont hurt it, and you just might get a nice suprise!!
:o ;D :D ;D :o
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even though i fear what zombie might post in reply to what im about to say im just gonna say it....cut the CDi and let the >monkey< out of the box.... :-* :-*
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Don't fear the zombie ;D
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...yeah, he dont eat much...
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His avatar bites though.... !!! Watch out :D
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yea his old avatar picture was of i think a woman or man aiming a pistol and it said "i see the real zombies" or summit to that affect underneath it. but i know how much zombie likes his monkeys lmao ;)
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Yuup!
That's the zombie I first knew
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..where the hell is he anyway...
..first time i've had a few minutes in a while and he's off chewing on sombody's arm or something...
:-\
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..where the hell is he anyway...
..first time i've had a few minutes in a while and he's off chewing on sombody's arm or something...
:-\
or muff diving ;) ;) ;)
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or muff diving ;) ;) ;)
LMFAO!
+1
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..likely.... :o
..or up to his ears in that zx....
..more likely...lol...
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..likely.... :o
..or up to his ears in that zx....
..more likely...lol...
wrapping his tongue around the crank.......sorry was that too far lmao.
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wrapping his tongue around the crank.......sorry was that too far lmao.
...lmfao!!
:D ;D :D
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:D :D :D
Pinky finger in the connecting rod hole
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...he's not gonna like this...lmao...
..maybe he won't read it...
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Ohhhh, come on... Zombie?
He knows we kid ;D
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..yeah, well when you realize the next day that you have one less arm, and a sudden urge to chew on sombodies head, well then...who's kidding who??
??? :o ???
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..yeah, well when you realize the next day that you have one less arm, and a sudden urge to chew on sombodies head, well then...who's kidding who??
??? :o ???
you know when you've been zombified
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I just got scared :o
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I just got scared :o
and so you should be..... zombies gonna get ya
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..yeah, that crank tongue-wrapping gonna set real well...
..you aint in the clear wk!!
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At least he's got an ocean in between
Zombie gonna be up here tonight and use my connecting rod as a spoon to eat my brain. Then he's gonna jump across the pond and dig out Wk's heart with his crankshaft. :D
For some reason I thought about Robert De Niro in Cape Fear while I was typing that. He's crazy in that movie
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...that was 999, pete...
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sumhow zombie read the other topics but didnt read this one??? i guess we can count ourselves lucky that we aint zombie food.....at least for now..
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sumhow zombie read the other topics but didnt read this one??? i guess we can count ourselves lucky that we aint zombie food.....at least for now..
We're like the sh** end of the stick down here in 50cc land, nobody wants to know us, and nobody cares cos we dont ride "real" bikes lol.
I liked that old Zombie Avatar, was way cool. Always wondered what it was from? Some movie?
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We're like the sh** end of the stick down here in 50cc land, nobody wants to know us, and nobody cares cos we dont ride "real" bikes lol.
I liked that old Zombie Avatar, was way cool. Always wondered what it was from? Some movie?
on the subject of real bikes....i have been given a suzuki VS V-twin 400 intruder...for FREEEEEEE!!!
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on the subject of real bikes....i have been given a suzuki VS V-twin 400 intruder...for FREEEEEEE!!!
Is that a REAL bike? IDK :-\ Not a style of bike i would buy myself, my younger bro had one of those style bikes till he bought a new Triumph a few months ago. I used to call it his cowboy bike :D
Still if its free then you cant lose.
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well zombie planted an idea in my head about making it a Cafe racer. i know what i have to do to make it work (forks and rear suspension, chop the tail and move the gear and brake pedals back) sell the excess metal so i can have sum wonga in my pocket.
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well zombie planted an idea in my head about making it a Cafe racer. i know what i have to do to make it work (forks and rear suspension, chop the tail and move the gear and brake pedals back) sell the excess metal so i can have sum wonga in my pocket.
Do it. Just cut all the plastic and cosmetic sh** you dont need off it. You know you want to.......... :D
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is zombie still living or living dead?
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is zombie still living or living dead?
Who knows, some say he only exists in our imagination, others swear they once saw him but refuse to talk about it ;D
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...undead...that's what zombie is...
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Found him!!
(http://www.chuck-a-con.net/Zombie.gif)
and i found a couple of hoes he's been with ;D
(http://xaxor.com/images/other/111119942/zombie_women_in_cannes_24.jpg)
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Nice juggs and sweet pirate pasties on the thick blonde Zombie
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Any one of those female Zombies could eat me anytime ;D
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I would eat her lol.
My "50cc" hehehe "50cc" will max as fast as my friend with an every bolt on possible 150 china poop tao tao, and will run as fast as my friends stock KLR250 to 70 mph on his gauge. I gave a guy on a 750 yama virago v twin a run to 60 a few days ago. I have people pulling up to me at stop lights telling me how fast I was going and theyre scared for my life lol. I told my friend with the tao tao to find him some gears.
In the end I think Id rather have a 49cc stamp on my engine case, throw a kit on that b1tch, than have to go license and register a comparable speed 150. He does how ever kill me in the gas mileage portion lol.
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Ah ya the real question, expect to spend a lot of money if you go to the dealer, if you only change out the boss you will get about 40-45 mph going down hill, there should also be a restriction in the exhaust as well, take that out and you should rejet the carb up 2-3 sizes at the same time, maybe 3 if you do some air box mods too. Do those 3 things and you will get around 55-60 downhill, just remember your brakes were made for sub 40 mph speeds and going downhill doesnt help them.
I would honestly just get some tools and a book or the internet now that it is the 21st century and forget about that warranty. I havent seen any real problems on brand new bikes until 4-5 years later. No problems that would worthy of "warranty work". And that "warranty work" is within very thin guide lines, they will screw you over if they can.
Is it the 2 or 4 stroke agility also? I never looked lol. Im basing the speeds off of the 2 stroke. maybe less for 4 stroke?
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Im basing the speeds off of the 2 stroke. maybe less for 4 stroke
I was going to say the speeds you quoted are extremely optimistic for a 4 stroke A50. Never seen any 4t Agility hit 60mph+ ever. Fastest i got has been about 52-54mph indicated on the speedo, think it came out at 48mph on gps if i remember.
Guess the 2t is a much more tunable machine. Exhaust on the 4t is not really restricted and theres no real need to upjet after fitting a larger bore one, i know cos i run a Leo Vince and plug chops read exactly the same after fitting it on the same jet.
Doing the things you mentioned will prob not get you over 50-52mph indicated downhill. Getting past 50-52mph reqs a lot of time, patience and trial and error.
Im now on an open filter, 92 main jet, race variator, short boss, Leo Vince exhaust, etc and only get 50-53mph downhill on a good day, and thats not GPS but speedometer speeds.
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Damn you guys really need to swap a 2t. Id be mad if thats all I got after that much work.
Is there no aftermarket gears for the 4t? Is it a GY6 clone?
I would always upjet anytime the air flow volume has increased. If not later you will find failing rings or worse a melting piston under the wrong conditions. This rule goes for any 4 stroke air cooled engine, if you change the air box to let more air in, pilot must be changed,if no pilot then needle clip raised, exhaust only is main jet raise since max rpm power should be more it needs more fuel to maintain that rpm without excessive heat, if exhaust and airbox replaced, pilot and main jet must be stepped up. Its just my 2 cents with 18 years of motorcycling building and tuning, modding, and riding. Always raise the jetting for the sake of your piston.
As fun as upgrading is, its even more fun still riding your upgraded bike more than a few times. Do it right the first time and save yourself downtime and more money.
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+1 on that whole damned post LMK...
;D
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I did used to wish i had gotten a 2t instead but now i do have one, a Vespa T5 Classic, so the kymco will not be my main scoot much longer, think it will end up just a weekend play thing :D
Stock main jet is an 82 so i have gone 10 sizes up already to a 92 main and plug chops read good at that. Nobody seems to adjust their carb other than the main jet on these A50's unless they go BBK and heavy modded, everyone who runs an open filter seems to do the same without any issues? I wouldnt have a clue how to raise the clip anyway :D
Tbh i was already seriously considering going back to the stock air filter and main jet anyway just to feel safe cos the gains on the open filter are barely noticable so i was only really running it for the cleaner look. I want to do some timings as it is then put back the stock jet and filter and re-time to see what, if any, real actual gains i get/lose. I bet its minimal or none. The only thing i feel is it does rev a little freer and better but i want to know if it is actually doing that and increasing performance or if its just in my head due to it sounding sportier :-\
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..3mph is worth it...lol...
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..3mph is worth it...lol...
Yes it is, i 100% agree. Thats why i want to do some measurements and timings to see if i am actually getting gains or not. Even if im only gaining 1mph or 0.5-1.0 second from 0-40mph then the filter stays :D
I got an app on my phone that does 0-30 etc as well as 1/4 mile and top speeds so of i got time this weekend i want to do some checking and comparing.
Vespas going in to paintshop next week tho so i need to flatten down the primer for the painter, thats my priority or i cant get it in to him. Should have time for both. Wife wants odd jobs done in garden, fence treated and shed roof fixed, but that can wait, scoots come 1st ;)
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..my bud is giving me the cobra for a cpl days to tweak the cvt....
..gonna get it up into the powerband a bit quicker...and he aint happy with 55 ind. top end...lmao..
..gonna start with 7.5 sliders and a malossi 1000 contra...maybe a 748-18-28 belt...
..i'm hoping the driven pulleys are unrestricted...it feels like they are...no slipping at top end at all...
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You wont want to hand over the keys once its dialed in nice tho will you. :D
He can have it yeah, but only if he takes it from your cold dead hands lol.
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..no sir, i will not want to...dang...
..just had to bring that up didnt y'....
:-\
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Tbh i was already seriously considering going back to the stock air filter and main jet anyway just to feel safe cos the gains on the open filter are barely noticable so i was only really running it for the cleaner look
i tried changing my scoots airfilter from the polini to the stock airbox....she didnt like it one bit, i put the stock box on and a 82 jet but she just bogged down summit terrible, so i turned around got home and put the polini back on with the 96 jet and she was running quick again.
4 days till i get Suzie ;)
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i tried changing my scoots airfilter from the polini to the stock airbox....she didnt like it one bit, i put the stock box on and a 82 jet but she just bogged down summit terrible, so i turned around got home and put the polini back on with the 96 jet and she was running quick again.
4 days till i get Suzie ;)
They can be worse than women sometimes with deciding what they do and do not like :D
I was the same. Really think a lot of it is down to the UK climate, one day its great, the next its not so its harder to tune. I just try settle for the best compromise that works somewhere between wet & dry days. ;D
We need more Global Warming here ;D
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..free flow filters do make your fuel mix sensitive to temp and humidity changes...
..it's a battle to find something that you can live with..
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..free flow filters do make your fuel mix sensitive to temp and humidity changes...
..it's a battle to find something that you can live with..
yep and i couldnt be living with the stock box. polini 100%
the filter must be annoying my neighbours alot.
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yep and i couldnt be living with the stock box. polini 100%
the filter must be annoying my neighbours alot.
If you ever get round to fitting a Leo or similair zaust then you cant hear the filter :D
Least people know your coming and move out the way ;D
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i never got on with the noice thing. did this to some cars in the past mx5 etc free flow exhausts and k&n etc sounded realy good but sounded a lot faster than it was. so when i had my foot down felt like i was not going fast but sounded v quick. was a little embarising.
on a scoot id hate every one looking to see what is coming and 5 min later you pass them another 5 min still in sight lol
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i never got on with the noice thing. did this to some cars in the past mx5 etc free flow exhausts and k&n etc sounded realy good but sounded a lot faster than it was. so when i had my foot down felt like i was not going fast but sounded v quick. was a little embarising.
on a scoot id hate every one looking to see what is coming and 5 min later you pass them another 5 min still in sight lol
I am exactly the same Skippy and agree totally. Embarrassing when everyone turns to see a huge 10,000ccc Ducati coming down the road only to see me on a 50cc scoot tootle past at 45mph :D
Only reason i fitted the Leo is cos its stainless steel so wont rust, i got totally sick of re-painting my stock zaust every 6 months or so and it totally transformed the look of my A50, much nicer and cleaner looking. Same for the air filter too, dont really feel i gained any significant performance, maybe a little freer reving and a little tiny bit nippier, could all be psychological tho. Just like the cleaner look of the open filter.
It does sound immense going thro tunnels tho or underground car-parks, almost got a boner 1st time i heard it :D
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that id love to hear. lol. the only reson i don t think ill change the filter is because the poliece are on the hunt round here for scoots lol so my thinking is keep the aperance stock but change as much as i can inside lol
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that id love to hear. lol. the only reson i don t think ill change the filter is because the police are on the hunt round here for scoots lol so my thinking is keep the aperance stock but change as much as i can inside lol
Next time i visit Morrisons car park i'll take a recording :D. The grannies all near sh** themselves when i open it up lol.
Yeah police are a risk, if you back off the throttle to half way it goes quiet tho till they pass. Can be hard to do if going uphill tho
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Next time i visit Morrisons car park i'll take a recording :D. The grannies all near sh** themselves when i open it up lol.
Yeah police are a risk, if you back off the throttle to half way it goes quiet tho till they pass. Can be hard to do if going uphill tho
im always doing that....see a cop car i go to nearly shut off throttle and go past making a brrrrrrrrr noise then as soon as i am past there rear bumper i go back to BAAAAAAAARRRRRRPPPPPP!!!!!!