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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Xciting 250 => Topic started by: momontheloose on May 27, 2009, 07:26:31 PM
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I filled the tank a few weeks ago and set the trip odometer to zero. I've been riding every chance I can to figure out my gas mileage. Finally filled up again today and figured it out. 69.7 mpg, I'm very pleased with that. I did a mixture of highway and city driving. I've got 500 miles on my bike so far. Kymco website says average of 61 mpg. What are the rest of you guys getting? How about when you go on trips/mainly highway driving?
Momontheloose
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I generally get 68-69 running around suburbia, 58-65 on 55 mph roads, and 48-55 on the interstates. It varies a lot by speed and by how hard I roll back on the throttle when accelerating. If yours if fuel injected, it should do a little better. Best ever was 78 on the Skyline Drive in Virginia (35 speed limit), followed by several tanks in the 72 mpg range on the Blue Ridge Parkway where the speed limit is 45. I didn't count three tanks where I discovered that the pump was off and giving away a little free gas. I was about 10 mpg above normal on them.
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Agility 125 - 78+ mpg
People 250 S - 57 mpg
Mixed city+suburban drive.
I am 240 lbs...
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I am now at just over 2,900 miles on my '09 Xciting 250. I do all maintenance (clockwork fluid changes) and am 6'1", 190lbs. My commute is 22 miles each way split fairly evenly on a 45 mph limit parkway and a 55 mph limit local highway, but have had it comfortably on a 65 mph limit highway a few times for goofing around riding. I have had zero problems/issues with the scoot and am incredibly pleased so far. At this point, my average is 72.1 mpg, and my best is 73.9 recently. Oh, if it matters, I have experimented between 87, 89 and 91 octane fuels with no noticeable difference in mileage.
I can not recommend the Kymco scooter enough - it's a wonderful and fun machine!
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I couldn't agree with you more garumn. I just got back from the Iron Range Super Scooter Rally in Virginia, MN, USA. I got 73 MPG on the highways and freeways going usually around 65 mph. I'm a 50 year old mother of 3 boys and I love this bike. It is my first and I can't see getting anything else for quite a long time. It is so well balanced and so easy to maneuver. This rally was my first real road trip using the bike as the sport touring machine that it is marketed as. It does not disappoint. However - I did fine when the wind gusts were 20 - 30 mph but when they were 45 - 50 mph I was just getting blown all over the place no matter what speed I went. If I layed my body down behind the windshield I could cut right through it but man when I sat up straight the gusts coming from my right hit my body and head knocking me into the left side of the lane or making me momentarily lean my bike at an angle to keep balance. I do like the lower windshield for summer driving cause it helps keeps me cool and I like feeling the breeze but man...... those winds coming back from the rally were nasty. I've got to admit though that looking at the cavernous storage under the seat of the Suzuki's made me think about trading to a Burgman just for the storage. I put a really nice trunk on my bike from A1hardware.com with LED lights that I really like but it doesn't come close to the storage under the Burgman's seat. The 250 is a great bike for one but I just don't think that it would cut it for long distance touring for 2 people. If I can ever convince the old man (who is terrified of my bike) to get behind me for a trip I'll have to get a Burgman. I would keep my Kymco xciting 250 though for town driving and for solo trips.
momontheloose
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I am using FFI MPG caps and I get more mileage and engine performance. ;-)
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I couldn't agree with you more garumn. I just got back from the Iron Range Super Scooter Rally in Virginia, MN, USA. I got 73 MPG on the highways and freeways going usually around 65 mph. I'm a 50 year old mother of 3 boys and I love this bike. It is my first and I can't see getting anything else for quite a long time. It is so well balanced and so easy to maneuver. This rally was my first real road trip using the bike as the sport touring machine that it is marketed as. It does not disappoint. However - I did fine when the wind gusts were 20 - 30 mph but when they were 45 - 50 mph I was just getting blown all over the place no matter what speed I went. If I layed my body down behind the windshield I could cut right through it but man when I sat up straight the gusts coming from my right hit my body and head knocking me into the left side of the lane or making me momentarily lean my bike at an angle to keep balance. I do like the lower windshield for summer driving cause it helps keeps me cool and I like feeling the breeze but man...... those winds coming back from the rally were nasty. I've got to admit though that looking at the cavernous storage under the seat of the Suzuki's made me think about trading to a Burgman just for the storage. I put a really nice trunk on my bike from A1hardware.com with LED lights that I really like but it doesn't come close to the storage under the Burgman's seat. The 250 is a great bike for one but I just don't think that it would cut it for long distance touring for 2 people. If I can ever convince the old man (who is terrified of my bike) to get behind me for a trip I'll have to get a Burgman. I would keep my Kymco xciting 250 though for town driving and for solo trips.
momontheloose
Hey, mom - good news! I am looking for a trunk as well - do you mean "a1hardbags.com?" I had run across them previously. I just don't know about the look of having a trunk that looks like a Sebring's on my scoot... ;)
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I am using FFI MPG caps and I get more mileage and engine performance. ;-)
Could you give specifics on increases you have found? A great article on that product is:
http://www.fuelsaving.info/ffi.htm (http://www.fuelsaving.info/ffi.htm)
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I know I am replying late to this, but I hope to get a little bit of wisdom here. I typically only get 40-42 mpg. Most of my riding is done through a small town with stop and go driving. I'm 6'3" and 240 lbs. I know my size and my where i drive has an impact, but this much? Only once when I drove about 45 miles at about 45 mph did I get decent mileage. I'm thinking the good mileage was a fluke and I have serious problems to deal with.
The oil change service needed light just came on and I notice a gas smell in my oil (I changed the oil 600 miles ago). Could this be part of a bigger problem?
Thanks,
Nossy
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I know I am replying late to this, but I hope to get a little bit of wisdom here. I typically only get 40-42 mpg. Most of my riding is done through a small town with stop and go driving. I'm 6'3" and 240 lbs. I know my size and my where i drive has an impact, but this much? Only once when I drove about 45 miles at about 45 mph did I get decent mileage. I'm thinking the good mileage was a fluke and I have serious problems to deal with.
The oil change service needed light just came on and I notice a gas smell in my oil (I changed the oil 600 miles ago). Could this be part of a bigger problem?
Thanks,
Nossy
Nobody is posting the bike they ride.
Also I do not know why people have unrealistic expectations in regard to scooter consumption. You are 240 lbs, ride a lot in the city and 40-42 mpg is a bad result for you? I do not think so.
I have had quite a number of scooters and bikes in my life. All of them were in top condition and I can tell you the following:
- 50 cc 2 stroke will usually need between 3 and 5 l/100 km. Converted to US fuel efficiency that would be 47-78 mpg. There are BIG differences in consumption but they usually tend to go towards 75 mpg.
- 125 cc 4 stroke will usually consume 3-3.5 l/100 km. That's 67-78 mpg
- 200 cc 4 stroke will need around 4.5 l/100 km, 52 mpg
- 250 cc 4 stroke will need 4-5 l/100 km, 47-59 mpg
I live outside of the city so 80 % of my daily route is open road (not highway) and 20 % is city traffic. Agility 125 needs with just me up does around 70 mpg. People 250 S - 59 mph.
However, People's consumption with passenger up is not that much changed, maybe + 5 %. But, with a passenger on a highway it will do 47 mpg or less, which is + 25 %.
Also, I notice that People has high set choke and it consumes up to 10 % more in the winter time compared to summer.
However, all this is taking too much care about details.
If you really want to get nervous, bikes with 90-100 hp use around the same amount of fuel as 250 cc scooter. Now, that's a waste of gasoline. If you compare output ratios, either they would have to use 20 l/100 kms or the scooters should use 1 l/100 km but neither is true. :)
Also, take into consideration not only fuel consumption but lower absolute depreciation of less expensive vehicle like a scooter, there is no need to pay for the parking, there is no waiting in the traffic as you can split the lanes etc...
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I just joined this, to help me keep track: http://www.fuelly.com/ (http://www.fuelly.com/)
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One more thing.
We all know that speedometers on our bikes are 10-15 % optimistic.
This means that consumption calculated using tacho readings should be corrected for the same 10-15 % because actual distance shown is 10-15 % higher than actual distance covered.
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Axy, I didn't post the name of my scooter, since this is the Xciting 250 section of the forum. You are right that I'm a big guy, and I know that this will affect my mileage. But looking at the other mileage comments, I was wondering if there is something amiss with my X 250.
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Axy, I didn't post the name of my scooter, since this is the Xciting 250 section of the forum. You are right that I'm a big guy, and I know that this will affect my mileage. But looking at the other mileage comments, I was wondering if there is something amiss with my X 250.
I would say - everything is just fine.
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I would say it is not. That you are getting only 40 - 42 mpg is awful. Are you sure you have the odometer on miles and not kilometers??? Just checking. I would mention it to my dealer. Mention that gas smell too. I have around 2,000 miles on my bike now. My average for the last 3 tanks was 74.7 mpg. I'm 5'4" and 185lbs. driving is a mixture of 40 - 65 mph roads. I really think you should be getting a lot better mileage.
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No disrepect Axy, but I tend to think jwisen is right. It seems most people in this section are getting in the 60s and 70s with their X 250s and I'm in the 40s. With my size and driving style/area I expect there to be some mileage loss, but not 30-50%. I spoke to the local Kymco dealer's tech, and he seemed to have other things on his mind. He simply said, "Hmm" and then walked away. I need to take the bike in for state inspection this week, so I'll ask the guy who inspects it if he has any ideas. He's a motorcycle tech, but certainly a lot of this info will crossover.
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No disrepect Axy, but I tend to think jwisen is right. It seems most people in this section are getting in the 60s and 70s with their X 250s and I'm in the 40s. With my size and driving style/area I expect there to be some mileage loss, but not 30-50%. I spoke to the local Kymco dealer's tech, and he seemed to have other things on his mind. He simply said, "Hmm" and then walked away. I need to take the bike in for state inspection this week, so I'll ask the guy who inspects it if he has any ideas. He's a motorcycle tech, but certainly a lot of this info will crossover.
X250 has the same engine and CVT as my People 250S and 20 lbs heavier and it is possible to do 60 or 70 mpg only if you drive at a constant speed of ~50 mph without a passenger.
Mileage is a sensitive subject. I have often discussed it with my friends and now I keep away from such discussions. Most people claim consumption "roughly calculating". "I went from Mike to John, it is AROUND 130 kms, then I filled up AROUND 5 liters, so the consumption MUST BE AROUND...". Trust me, a lot of people do not take notice of exact tacho number when filling up first and second time and do not fill up exactly to the top of the gas tank.
Furthermore, the last such case a colleague of mine who has Chinese 125cc 4stroke scooter that allegedly consumed close to 10 l/100 km or 23 mpg. After dismissing a lot of (mechanical) things, chaning carb etc. the problem was in the only possible thing that was not changed - tacho. It was off by 50 %, coupled with inaccurate reading of the tank fill ups equals off scale calculation. In fact, the scooter`s real consumption was 3x lower.
The best gas mileage I have seen on People 250 S was 3,8 l/100 km or 62 mpg under super-duper-ideal conditions. I think the theoretical low of consumption must be there because this is already the consumption "area" of 50 cc 2 stroke or 125 cc 4 stroke scooters.
I am looking now, 70 mpg is 3.3 l/100 km - I think this scooter uses that much fuel idling per hour.
p.s. I am looking now at one of the previous posts, people are doing 75 mpg with Xciting 250i. I have seen 75 mpg with two scooters in my life: Piaggio NRG 50 and Agility 125, driven very carefully. I guess it would be possible with 250 cc scooter that almost does not apply the throttle and weighs maybe 100 lbs.
I wrote a report this weekend - I went for a trip with my gf (420 lbs of total passenger weight) that included a lot of highway driving at top speed of indicated 81-87 mph with gusts of frontal wind. The consumption was 5.3 l/100 km or 44 mpg - the worst consumption I have seen on my P250S.
The average I do driving from suburbs to the city and back daily is constant and consistent 56 mpg from day one (it has 5800 kms on it now).
Now, this became a lengthy discussion... hope others will share their input and numbers too...
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..2008 Agility 50...mileage varies from tank to tank, depending on where I go, wind speed and direction, etc...have "calculated" anywhere between 65 and 85 mpg...
peace
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..2008 Agility 50...mileage varies from tank to tank, depending on where I go, wind speed and direction, etc...have "calculated" anywhere between 65 and 85 mpg...
peace
Sounds "normal" for 4stroke 50 cc - they consume gas like Zippos. :)
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...yeah, I didn't buy it for the mileage...I have a Subaru Justy that gets 50 mpg...
..just no drivers license..lol..
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I go to the local gas statoin once a week to have them take o few quarts of gas out! When will it end!!!
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Thanks for making me laugh Zombie!
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you're welcome!
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The speedo certainly is optimistic (the odometer as well, but less-so) - this last Friday, I had the scoot on a 161 mile ride (odometer trip reading), all 65 mph freeway through and around Phoenix. Trying my best, I kept the speedo at between 70 and 75 all around (excluding surface streets, of course). At a 65 mph reading on my GPS, the speedo read 61 mph. At 70 mph, the GPS read 64 mph, and at 75 mph, the GPS read 69 mph. After all that, my fuel efficiency rated as follows (after filling the tank in the morning the exact same way to the exact same level I do every time I fill it and refilling upon returning the exact same way to acquire consistent data):
154.9 miles travelled via Mapquest
/ 2.11 gallons used during travel
= 73.41 mpg
What a wonderful machine this is!!
Oh, by the way, I Mapquested mileage, as my GPS does not have trip mileage, and it appears the Odometer is very close to actual - the Mapquested mileage was 154.9.
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Excellent Post garumn. It just rocks to get that kind of gas mileage. I've been kicking around the idea of getting a 400 or 650 Burgman so I can bring a passenger for longer trips. I just have a hard time justifying a purchase of something with 45 - 55 mpg when I'm getting such great mileage.
Not that I'm cheap....just economical!
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The speedo certainly is optimistic (the odometer as well, but less-so)
Considering that both instruments pick up signal from the same source (mechanical or electromagnetic in newer scooters), and assuming that frictional/mechanical error of gauges themselves is the same, don`t you think that the "carry over" of error is pretty much the same for both instruments?
If speedo is 10 % optimistic, more ore less, odo will be be 10 % optimistic too.
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Considering that both instruments pick up signal from the same source (mechanical or electromagnetic in newer scooters), and assuming that frictional/mechanical error of gauges themselves is the same, don`t you think that the "carry over" of error is pretty much the same for both instruments?
If speedo is 10 % optimistic, more ore less, odo will be be 10 % optimistic too.
Outstanding, sir. Apparently my numbers are being brought into question. Understand them or not - it does not matter to me. "What I think" is irrevelant considering the data supplied from two different sources; the scooter itself and an accompanying GPS unit to compare against.
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Excellent Post garumn. It just rocks to get that kind of gas mileage. I've been kicking around the idea of getting a 400 or 650 Burgman so I can bring a passenger for longer trips. I just have a hard time justifying a purchase of something with 45 - 55 mpg when I'm getting such great mileage.
Not that I'm cheap....just economical!
Thanks, Momma!
I can't blame you on wanting a bigger scoot for longer trips - I am seriously considering upgrading to the x500. I doubt I will pull the trigger on that one, though (as you say, the 250 is simply WAAAAAAY too economical and FUN)... ;)
Now to actually get some luggage for the thing...
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This week I put on mounts for my GPS and also my IPOD Touch. They are from RAM mounts and have a plate that screws into the brake reservoir. They are great and the reason I'm mentioning this at all is because now I can see my GPS while I'm driving and so I thought I'd add my two cents about the odometer and speedometer.
All the way up to 50 mph the speedometer is dead on accurate. At 55 mph the GPS says 54 and at 60 mph the GPS says 58. I haven't had the opportunity to go faster than that so far and I'm not planning on going over 70 because I am a mom you know!
The odometer really surprised me though. It was 1/2 a mile off for every 20 miles.. so.. when my odometer said 20 miles my GPS said 19.5. I think that is really quite a lot. I just rolled over 3,000 miles on my bike this weekend and need to get it into the shop for the 3,000 maintenance check.
Went on a great group ride with 60 or so various bikes along the St. Croix River in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Some of the fall colors were starting to pop out. I was the only lonely scooter but garnered much attention. Lots of questions from goldwing and harley riders who were surprised I could keep up with them.
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Fantastic, Momma!!
I love keeping up with the Big Boys, too, and can easily do so even at 75!! Down here in the southwest, we do not get the opportunity to see much fall color (unless you are in the higher country say, Flagstaff, AZ), and I definitely miss it! I miss the rain, too, for that matter! Oh, by the way - just filled the tank this morning - 161.3 miles at 2.051 gallons... I will leave it up to others to do my math for me! ;)
Have I mentioned how much I LOVE this machine???
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65 MPG on my first fillup that I have checked. 250i All intown from 30-55 mph.
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Excellent Post garumn. It just rocks to get that kind of gas mileage. I've been kicking around the idea of getting a 400 or 650 Burgman so I can bring a passenger for longer trips. I just have a hard time justifying a purchase of something with 45 - 55 mpg when I'm getting such great mileage.
Not that I'm cheap....just economical!
I owned a pair of Burgmans. My wife got about 55mpg on the 400 S, I got about 42 on the 650 with a Givi tall screen. For carrying a passenger you can't beat the 650, and the storage holds twice as much as the Xciting. I'm getting between 50 and 52mpg on my Xciting 500 Ri. Everyone always seems to get better mpg numbers than I do - but I'm really tall and tend to pull quickly away from lights and such.
I prefer the XCiting 500 to the Burgman 400. I use it for commuting, errands, carrying my daughter, and short (50-60 mile) pleasure rides. The Burgman 650 is heavier than the Xciting by far - but it handles better because the engine is mounted in the frame like a motorcycle - instead of moving with the rear wheel like on the Xciting. I'm a single parent now so I don't get to go on longer rides. For what I use it for I didn't feel like having the extra weight and cost of the 650 - since a 2 up day long ride isn't something I see myself doing for a while.
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Axy, I didn't post the name of my scooter, since this is the Xciting 250 section of the forum. You are right that I'm a big guy, and I know that this will affect my mileage. But looking at the other mileage comments, I was wondering if there is something amiss with my X 250.
There are actually 3 versions of the Xciting 250 - the carbureted Xciting 250, the Fuel Injected XCiting 250i, and the Fuel Injected with a smaller windscreen Xciting 250Ri. The Ri gets the best mpg - but they should all get better than what you are getting. If you ride in traffic a lot with a lot of stops and starts - then I could see you getting really bad mileage.
I'm 6' 3" 230lbs, and get 50-52mpg riding my 500Ri with a heavy hand. If you are concerned that it's the bike and not the driving conditions then there are a few things you can check.
1) Check your tire pressures. Don't overinflate them - but don't let them run low.
2) Check your parking brake to make sure it isn't dragging.
3) Put the bike on the centerstand and spin each wheel to make sure they spin freely.
Since we're about the same height - have you put handlebar risers on or modified the seat back to move back further? They are both simple and cheap, and made it a lot more comfortable for me (I don't think they changed my mpg though). ::)
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250ri first 3 tanks got 65, last tank I have an early model windshield ( taller) and got 63.
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I probably average 58-60 consistently. My commuting consists of 9 miles with 13 potential lights in the city and 9 miles of only a couple of potential stops with long 50 mph zones. I ride with an average to heavy hand. I did get 64 mpg on my last tank and that was from a long trip, 150 round trip, on the freeway with the RPM's around 7000-8000.
B.T.W., I discovered the bikes RPM's handle speeds of 60-65 comfortably (gps confirmed not speedometer). I could push it into the low 70's but wasn't comfortable with running the RPM's that high for long.
X250
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"Throw a Kit" by Hollywood Holt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_kIUSr7-is#) Could not help myself~
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I'm not into rap - how do I get off this thread?
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Rap is the new Opera Yo!
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2007 Kymco Xciting 250 orange.
Replaced diaphragm in carb gas mileage went from 70 mpg to 63-4 mpg. Huge increase in power delivery and personal happiness. I find it difficult not to smile while I am on it. 60+ miles per gallon isn't bad and that smiling thing is pretty cool too.
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There are actually 3 versions of the Xciting 250 - the carbureted Xciting 250, the Fuel Injected XCiting 250i, and the Fuel Injected with a smaller windscreen Xciting 250Ri. The Ri gets the best mpg - but they should all get better than what you are getting. If you ride in traffic a lot with a lot of stops and starts - then I could see you getting really bad mileage.
I'm 6' 3" 230lbs, and get 50-52mpg riding my 500Ri with a heavy hand. If you are concerned that it's the bike and not the driving conditions then there are a few things you can check.
1) Check your tire pressures. Don't overinflate them - but don't let them run low.
2) Check your parking brake to make sure it isn't dragging.
3) Put the bike on the centerstand and spin each wheel to make sure they spin freely.
Since we're about the same height - have you put handlebar risers on or modified the seat back to move back further? They are both simple and cheap, and made it a lot more comfortable for me (I don't think they changed my mpg though). ::)
Hi JustWantToRide, I read your whole post about gas mileage. This all information is very useful for me because after one week I have to go for long journey. So your all information are use for safe journey.
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For gas mileage, go to fuelly.com where you can track your miles per gallon. It converts the kilometers into miles. I am averaging 75 miles a gallon.