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Title: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 08, 2012, 11:38:59 PM
Had a hard time getting everything back together after replacing my clutch springs and apparently stripped my clutch nut...
 http://www.racingplanetusa.com/clutch-m28x1-minarelli-p-15546-1.html?cPath=2_2416_13596&sessID=b665c110af6cf9d4fcf15ce4c1273ce3 (http://www.racingplanetusa.com/clutch-m28x1-minarelli-p-15546-1.html?cPath=2_2416_13596&sessID=b665c110af6cf9d4fcf15ce4c1273ce3)

Didn't know it was bad till I started having issues when riding. It would start to die after running when getting to a stop sign  or traffic light  unless  I would give it gas and apply the brake to keep rpms up... Worried I took the cvt cover off
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 08, 2012, 11:54:54 PM
Oops posted too soon...

Took the cover off and the stripped nut blew off pow!!! Torque spring sprung.

So have to get a New one of those... Is this common?

Also in the torque spring are there two plastic  pieces or just the one? I had one like a sleeve cap that I had on the top of the spring. Maybe it was supposed to very on the bottom??? Top being the outside close to the clutch.

Nother sure if I lost a piece the first time I put in the new spring....

Thanks!
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 12:13:11 AM
...ouch!!!...

..no, this is not common...

plastic piece??  inna clutch??...

..i know of no such animal..

..pics ???
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 09, 2012, 12:55:00 AM
The stock one I have looks like this but more basic ( no bearings) http://www.racingplanetusa.com/twist-control-naraku-racing-torque-spring-peugeot-piaggio-kymco-china-4stroke-p-4214-1.html?cPath=2_2416_2630&sessID=b665c110af6cf9d4fcf15ce4c1273ce3 (http://www.racingplanetusa.com/twist-control-naraku-racing-torque-spring-peugeot-piaggio-kymco-china-4stroke-p-4214-1.html?cPath=2_2416_2630&sessID=b665c110af6cf9d4fcf15ce4c1273ce3)

Not sure if I need this one?  http://www.racingplanetusa.com/torsion-control-malossi-plastic-torque-spring-seat-p-2792-1.html?cPath=2_2416_2630&sessID=b665c110af6cf9d4fcf15ce4c1273ce3 (http://www.racingplanetusa.com/torsion-control-malossi-plastic-torque-spring-seat-p-2792-1.html?cPath=2_2416_2630&sessID=b665c110af6cf9d4fcf15ce4c1273ce3)

Will try posting a pic of mine.... Still all layed out :P
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 01:01:49 AM
..okay, i thot you meant oem clutch..

..so, the big 39mm hex nut, AND the clutch bell nut both came off??
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 01:10:48 AM
...from looking at the pic of the malossi, it should go next to the torque driver pulley, inside the existing spring's seat...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 09, 2012, 01:16:53 AM
The clutch bell nut is fine when I was taking it off the big thin nut under the clutch bell is stripped and popped off.
Trying to post a pic of it... My pic is too big.

Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: Peters on July 09, 2012, 01:28:10 AM
Use Photobucket.com to post pics. Free to use

Is the nut striped or the threads on the clutch? Or both?
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 09, 2012, 01:38:09 AM
Pic try
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 01:41:10 AM
..spring looks okay, and should be as long as it isnt bent....should still stand straight...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 09, 2012, 02:19:25 AM
Spring is good. Dont know if that piece should be on top or bottom when putting back together though. Had it on top... I think, it all shot out cause of the stripped nut..
Guess I will order a couple of these http://www.racingplanetusa.com/clutch-m28x1-minarelli-p-15546-1.html?cPath=2_2416_13596&sessID=b665c110af6cf9d4fcf15ce4c1273ce3 (http://www.racingplanetusa.com/clutch-m28x1-minarelli-p-15546-1.html?cPath=2_2416_13596&sessID=b665c110af6cf9d4fcf15ce4c1273ce3)

Only one I could find but I know they will take forever to get it...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 02:21:50 AM
Guess I will order a couple of these


..well, dang...you should not need but one!!!

..aannd, i'm pretty sure it goes next to the pulley...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: Peters on July 09, 2012, 02:26:51 AM
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..aannd, i'm pretty sure it goes next to the pulley...
Me too

Yeah you only need one. If it comes off again something else is wrong. I assume the threads are ok???
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: zombie on July 09, 2012, 02:33:22 AM
Pic try

That is the OEM part. It is NOT a ball bearing dampener. The piece you have goes on the pulley side. The Yellow Malossi plastic piece goes on the clutch side. The piece you have is to keep the spring from coiling into the pulley sleeve.
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 02:38:10 AM
The Yellow Malossi plastic piece goes on the clutch side.



..i did not know that...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 09, 2012, 03:07:17 AM
Thought since I'm going to get one to get two nuts just in case it strips again.
The other threads are fine just the threading on the inside of the nut.... Not sure what I did. Guess I thought I had it lined up and didn't.
Will try to be more careful but will be a while before I can get the nut to put her back together....
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 03:09:38 AM
...that nut should turn 3-4 rotations when tightening...then you gotta really torque it down once contact is made...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: Peters on July 09, 2012, 03:11:51 AM
It's very easy to cross thread too. Start by hand.
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 03:15:00 AM
..yes, it is...and the first time i dis-assembled a clutch, it took me an hour to find that damned nut...


        :o
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: Peters on July 09, 2012, 03:20:57 AM
Did it fly across the shop?
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 03:22:53 AM
...YES IT DID!!!..


...you spying on me??...lol..
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: streido on July 09, 2012, 07:51:22 AM
Bummer  :(

I never heard of that ever happening before. Did you make sure it was tightened up properly 1st time? I marked mine with a line of marker pen before i took it off then i can retighten it to the same place when i refit it. I can get mine on pretty far just by hand and only use the spanner to give it 1-2 turns at most to torque it up.
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 09, 2012, 01:24:24 PM
Yeah I must have threaded it on the wrong way and stripped with a regular wrench... Was trying the hold it down with your feet method. What do most of you guys use when putting it back on? I know there is a tool but don't really want to buy it.
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: streido on July 09, 2012, 02:07:54 PM
Yeah I must have threaded it on the wrong way and stripped with a regular wrench... Was trying the hold it down with your feet method. What do most of you guys use when putting it back on? I know there is a tool but don't really want to buy it.

I use the hold it with my feet method, never had an issue. Sometimes it does take a few tries to get the nut started on the correct thread but i can tell if its cross threaded cos i wont be able to get it on much by hand. If it goes on and turns 3-4 turns by hand then i know its on right. Just never force it on at the start, if it needs force its on the wrong thread.

There are special tools out there but to my mind they are just a faff about to get on so it would take me twice as long to do the job.
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 09, 2012, 03:13:04 PM
...i made this...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: acrab78 on July 09, 2012, 07:54:41 PM
Feet method on got it... What about removing it what has been safest and easiest?
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: streido on July 09, 2012, 09:17:13 PM
Feet method on got it... What about removing it what has been safest and easiest?

Reverse feet method.............sounds like some kind of kung fu style lol  :D

Loosen it off a few turns until its hand tight with your weight on it then stand down on it and take off the nut, then just lift your feet off.
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: Kenho21 on July 09, 2012, 09:21:03 PM
Quote
...i made this...

You should start selling those, that's awesome
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: zombie on July 09, 2012, 09:30:50 PM
Dibbs on the second one...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: Kenho21 on July 09, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
@Word- For the special offer, low low price of only $9.95? Installments?
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: zombie on July 09, 2012, 11:38:32 PM
I got this.... $39.95, and you pay now!
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: wordslinger on July 10, 2012, 01:15:46 AM
Dibbs on the second one...

..true, i was supposed to make you one back in th day...
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: zombie on July 10, 2012, 04:20:51 AM
I have a monkey do it for me now. The shock therapy worked!
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: Peters on July 10, 2012, 04:23:00 AM
Grease monkey!?
Title: Re: Stripped clutch nut...
Post by: zombie on July 10, 2012, 04:24:11 AM
Little Fu( monkey...