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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: whiteknight on June 27, 2012, 12:19:49 AM
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Right i plan to start work on the engine this coming thursday as i have a day off work and i will need a day to get it done properly.
now before you ask...yes there will be pics of the build as i do it. yes you will see me getting greasy and shi*ty i might even throw in a video for good measure.
watch this very short space.
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Well? No Picts. yet!!!
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yes you will see me getting greasy and shi*ty
Sounds like the plot from a fisting movie? :P
Better not let that 080 dudette hear you talk like that on HIS forum...............
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Well? No Picts. yet!!!
not untill thursday or friday, need to build the engine on thursday as i have a day off.
Better not let that 080 dudette hear you talk like that on HIS forum...............
didnt know 080 OWNED the forums lol does seem like it though.
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not untill thursday or friday, need to build the engine on thursday as i have a day off.
didnt know 080 OWNED the forums lol does seem like it though.
maybe he well give you his godly blessings on you fixing your scoot.
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maybe he well give you his godly blessings on you fixing your scoot.
yea and then try converting me (im not christian, im pagan) how'd you like them apples? lol
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maybe he well give you his godly blessings on you fixing your scoot.
Shhhhhhh!!! Dont, you'll bring him down here to our sub-forum and he'll just ruin it all :)
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oh s*it yea.....everyone be quiet and still.....he wont spot us.
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Can someone elaborate on who 080 is? Sounds like I missed some good scooter forum drama...
I'm so intrigued I searched for his posts and didn't find any...
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Can someone elaborate on who 080 is? Sounds like I missed some good scooter forum drama...
I'm so intrigued I searched for his posts and didn't find any...
Check under General Topics, look for the most controversial sh**-stirring thread titles you can see and that'll be his :D
His full title is 08087 or somethin. Think its a Jersey Zipcode he uses.
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Maybe he's the situation from jersey shore
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Check under General Topics, look for the most controversial sh**-stirring thread titles you can see and that'll be his :D
His full title is 08087 or somethin. Think its a Jersey Zipcode he uses.
hit the nail on the head mate.
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Wow, everything is not okay with that guy...
Some people need to take their medication EVERYday...
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apparently there are a load of "morons" who dont post helpful things when he posts a scooter related topic but the same "morons" post loads of "negative" stuff on a non scooter related topic. actually i'll grab a quote..........
While we're on topic I'd like to point out how when I start a topic on Scooter related issues a couple of morons here never reply or kick in any advice, but when I post something like Astrology or politics the same morons have a negitive comment in hand.
I guess that would make them pretty negitive people without much positive scooter information to share.
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apparently there are a load of "morons" who dont post helpful things when he posts a scooter related topic but the same "morons" post loads of "negative" stuff on a non scooter related topic. actually i'll grab a quote..........
Man that guy is unbelievable :D
I havent been back up there yet so didnt read that comment you quoted, imagine saying that man? Hes a f***in loon. He doesnt even get that by insulting folk then he def wont get any help with his scooter questions?!?!?!
Im going to go be a moron on his thread now. Hes just left out the bait and im hungry lol.
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I Hate Snakes by the Moron Brothers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroekNqYY2s#)
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I Hate Snakes by the Moron Brothers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroekNqYY2s#)
Lol, is that you and word? Just hope you posted this under his "moron" thread? :D
As i said to juice, maybe we all ought to swap our avatars to "We Hate 08" as a protest lol. He's burning all his bridges quicker than they can be rebuilt. Silly moron..... :D
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Lol, is that you and word? Just hope you posted this under his "moron" thread? :D
As i said to juice, maybe we all ought to swap our avatars to "We Hate 08" as a protest lol. He's burning all his bridges quicker than they can be rebuilt. Silly moron..... :D
his name is David...
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his name is David...
David Blaine?
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David Blaine?
Nope, I identified him didn't I Stephen? His initials are D.K.... luv to play!!! ;D ;D ;D
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hey streido you may need to start packing your stuff up ready to move....come on down to norfolk lmao :D :D
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hey streido you may need to start packing your stuff up ready to move....come on down to norfolk lmao :D :D
haha... see your at the port!!! ;)
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I've been waiting at gate C14 for three days... Still a no show.
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be there in a couple of weeks once i've sorted th' bike out. hows the weather in florida? sure me and Carole can make ourselves at home.
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Hot/Muggy... Summer.
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Hot/Muggy... Summer.
..no crap!..
:o
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ahhh c'mon share the sun man :D we could do with some good weather over here
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That's WHY it called "over there". The weather...
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RIGHT!!!! time for me to post some more on topic shiz... me and Carole (my Fiance) stripped the bike down and put all the new parts on. started at 12:15 pm and finally got it bolted back in at 15:12pm (didnt do too bad for time) i have loads of pics to show you guys, the pictures are kind of a step by step of what we were doing, theres even one of Carole tinkering and me having a fag break lmao.
right as soon as i can get this sodding broadband dongle to work i will upload the pics, but right now its just winding me the hell up.
pics will be here very very soon, they are on photobucket i just need to get em on here.
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... >>PICS<< ...
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theres even one of Carole tinkering and me having a fag break
"tinkering" eh? So thats like your guys luvy dovey word for sex then? Looking forward to these pics, i always have a cig after sex too.
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Here's the pics.
http://s1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj547/whiteknight28/# (http://s1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj547/whiteknight28/#)
just to let you know you will better off going from the end of the album and working backwards because they will be in the right order then.
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..awesome fukn work bro!
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awseome work from carole aswell, she helped me with the build (she aint afraid to get her hands dirty) but thanks for saying we did an awsome job ;D ;D just afew more bits to do before she can be run-in. she still hasnt got the air filter or exhaust or carb on yet, that will be done 2moro.
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..hell yeah..carole rocks!!
;D
...take ur time...make sure...
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that put a smile on her face knowing she rocks ;D yea i will take my time and make sure its all solid as a rock before going out on the maiden voyage. still got cvt tuning and the new clutch and bell to do aswell. luckily i still have 2 days off of work to get it done so we have no need ot rush it.
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Nice. Ive been seriously thinking of getting a 72cc kit lately myself. Maybe be my winter project this year if i get time.
Didnt take too long to do, seems quite easy to pull the engine out, what is it a couple of bolts?
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oook a little update on the build....when i fitted the new cylinder head there werent any bolts to fix the intake manifold to, so i had to get some bolts out of a hardware store and they fitted perfectly so i was able to fit the carb but then comes the next of a couple of snags...
first the polini filter was too big to fit under the seat so i had to cut a hole into the seat to make room for it...secondly my tweed weave exhaust wouldnt fit properly which i was extremely pissed off about so i had to fit the original again >:( :'(......once we finally got it all bk together again we were ready to fire her up for the first time (which i was sh*tting myself about) but....she fired up first time ;D ;D
obviously there was the usual sounds of a extremely tight and new engine being run for the first time but i managed to take her on a 10 mile trip to the in-laws house....my god the sound :D :D she burbles and sounds mean as hell but i cant take her over 30mph and i have to keep an eye on the revs aswell....
she cruises nicely at 30 at only 1/3 of the throttle ;D ;D so only another 290 miles to go before i can open her up abit more and see what she can do. just got the clutch and new clutch bell to go on then once she has been run in i can start playing with roller weights and clutch springs.
so...so far so good, fingers crossed all goes well.
heres some pics of the airfilter and what i had to do to my seat to make it fit
(http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj547/whiteknight28/120705-1920.jpg)
(http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj547/whiteknight28/120705-1919.jpg)
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Nice. Ive been seriously thinking of getting a 72cc kit lately myself. Maybe be my winter project this year if i get time.
Didnt take too long to do, seems quite easy to pull the engine out, what is it a couple of bolts?
sorry didnt really awnser your question....yea it is a couple of bolts..plus you need to undo the suspension and dissconnect all the lines and electrics but its fairly simple to do...plus you will need some axle stands to stop the bike falling over.
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Props! The rings will let you know when to open it up. They will get quieter every mile...
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yea there slowly getting quieter, shes done 20 odd miles so far without any problems. i guess the noise im hearing is the piston rings on the cylinder wall.. seems to be getting smoother aswell..are there any other noises i need to listen out for.
plus im running a 86 main jet...will i need a bigger jet? i have got my original exhaust but i have my polini filter on there..so im guessing i might need to put a bigger jet in.
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You might not need to upjet with the OEM pipe. MIGHT not!!! Do a chop with what you have now...
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Could you not just have angled the filter to come out the side? Thats how i fitted mine when i ran it.
Why wont the exhaust fit? Thought it was for our engine?
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Could you not just have angled the filter to come out the side? Thats how i fitted mine when i ran it.
Why wont the exhaust fit? Thought it was for our engine?
i did try and angle the filter off to the side but the choke was in the way and i couldnt go the other way because the throttle cable..so...i went straight up..
the tweed weave exhaust had a design flaw.. if you fitted the bolts on then it wouldnt fit at the manifold and if you fitted it at the manifold then you couldnt get the bolts in so i just had to put the old exhaust on....is a shame because it was tweed weave lol.
You might not need to upjet with the OEM pipe. MIGHT not!!! Do a chop with what you have now...
yep will do that then i can get an idea of how its doing.
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Can you get a refund on the exhaust then? If not then maybe widen the holes a little or elongate them to get the bolts to fit?
I love my Leo Vince so you may want to think of one of them if you can get a refund? They have a lovely sound to them ;D
My filter was touching the solid metal guide pipe for the throttle cable too but i just loosened the nut and twisted it down and round a little and the filter went right on.
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..you can heat it up and bend it to fit...
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Fit it!!!
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i would but first i need a isobutane torch to heat the metal to a point where i can bend it....seems like too much hassle but i might try and find some one with a torch...but i am ereing towards the leo vince.
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Get one of these... http://www.ebay.com/itm/130601793421?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/130601793421?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649) I bought two header pipes, and the muffler for 139. shipped. The F'er sounds GREAT! Real deep, and nice backfire on roll off. You can see the flames when following the scoot at night. (That's what the Trooper told me)
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(That's what the Trooper told me)
..lmfao!!!...
;D
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He never pulled me over. I saw him behind me on the way home... The next morning he was at the sandwich shop, and asked if my exhaust was broken. I looked outside/said nope. He said "I was going to pull you over last night to let you know but I figured I'd run into you later. That is a 50cc isn't it?" "Yep... well a modified 50cc." "Where's the black one you used to have?" "Getting tuned for an attempt at 90mph." Really? Yup.
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..ya'll get along so well...
..they always eye-balling me...
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Every cop that patrols Franklin County lives in Franklin County. There's only 11,000 in the whole county. 2,000 in Carrabelle. There are NO secrets here, and Everyone is KIN! It's a mixed bag for a city boy, but I like it Much better than when I first got here. Most everyone respects what/how I do, and for the most part the local "roughnecks" keep a distance. I've knocked out a few local "heros" (due to the wife I have) so it's like a Jail thing... Knock out the big guy, and the rest leave.
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..reckon what they all gonna think of a whole pack of screaming 2t scoots tearin' up th roads??
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They will look/look at the watch/look again... go back to tetris on the lap top.
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right, since Blue put a free-flow filter on his scoot and may of had to run less than a #90 main jet it got me thinking....his scoot is 50cc, stock zaust with free-f-filter. i have put a #90 into my carb as a starting point to try and get the right main jet. i went by the fact that blue has a 50cc but im running a 72cc but i am running the stock zaust with a free flow filter...as blue may of had to downsize the jet becuz of running rich and he only has 50cc i would need to goto 90ish because i have a bigger cylinder to fill... am i right in what im thinking??
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I sort of follow what you said... You're main can be anything. I have a gy6 w/ an 86cc that uses a 107 main with an open pipe/2x10" flow thru muffler, and OEM airbox. Just to help confuse you...
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hmmmm yea.....confusion ??? ??? anyway im gonna stock up on plugs so i can see whats going on in there.
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right, since Blue put a free-flow filter on his scoot and may of had to run less than a #90 main jet it got me thinking
.omg...a 90 onna 50cc witha free-flow filter is LEAN!!!
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right, since Blue put a free-flow filter on his scoot and may of had to run less than a #90 main jet it got me thinking
.omg...a 90 onna 50cc witha free-flow filter is LEAN!!!
..omg, blue...
...take that jet up to a 90, at least!!
thats why i said about the #90
so i guess i would have to go alot higher then.
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..start stupid rich...120 or so, and work your way back, if too rich...
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88 on mine with a stock exhaust at the time wouldnt even go past 20mph, waaaaay lean. 96 was almost there so reckon between 94-96 maybe about ok and a 50cc, at least around where i live.
Its meant to be dryer this weekend so im hoping to try mine out again and try a few more jets. Also got aome new brake pafs to throw in too. Think with the Leo Vince i may need 96-100 main in mine.
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right i decided to see if my cam was still in time, so i took off the cam cover and the fan cover then proceeded to turn the crank untill it was TDC.... as it went into the compression stroke it became almost difficult to turn and you could hear the pressure in the cylinder.
heres a vid (dont know if it will work though)
(http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj547/whiteknight28/th_120802-1524.jpg) (http://s1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj547/whiteknight28/?action=view¤t=120802-1524.mp4)
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Looks right to me from my house!
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what i didnt realise is that the vid didnt pick up the sound it was making. on the compression stroke it makes a ssssshhhhhhhHHHHHHH noise. i take it its becuz of the amount of compression i have in the cylinder?
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That would be the compression stroke.
On a side not, I love the moron brothers ha. Zombie man you crack me up.
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Try filling the inverted head with Brake/Carb clean. If any gets thru the valves you have an issue. If not then what you hear is air getting past the rings. They are not effective when they are not running. So that is not a worry. Compression test baby!
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yea i will be doing a compression test but i now have another problem...she tops out far too quickly >:( shes fine on acceleration but if the revs go too high she makes a noise that says "i cant do that" shes fine mid range but i cant put too many revs through..she dont like it. theres no white smoke or pools of oil under her so i know shes holding up...just a compression test to do (i think a standard Ag 50 has summit like 120 or over) the noise i decribed was coming from inside the cylinder and not from the valves, so i guess its just air getting past the rings. shall let you all know what happens.
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It sounds like your rollers are too light. New rings also make a sound like a can full of bb's when they start to float in the grooves. You see rings will NOT prevent blow by if they are installed upside down, or just sitting. They work when there is pressure behind them pushing them out onto the Cyl. walls. The TOP side of the ring has a number laser etched or it is the surface that has the angle on it. The angle allows gasses to get behinh the ring, and push it out to the wall. Double check that, maybe 1gr heavier on your rollers, and stay away from WOT for at least 200 miles or until the rings quiet down.
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thats been over 200 miles now im in the last 20 miles or so of run in the rings are alot quieter, there not making the metalic metal on metal sound..once i have done the last 20-30 miles everything will be checked and double checked re-torqued and re-adjusted. i know i need to change the rollers for some heavier ones..i have some rollers in my portable tool box (backpack) i also have the race crank that me and carole need to install aswell as the new clutch and bell (which is the same as yours and words)
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You prob need heavier than stock rollers now with the bigger kit, or at least stock weight?
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yea i have some (i think there 6.5) rollers. gonna buy an impact off of a mate so i can get it all sorted. take off is phenomonal but i think when it gets to 35-40 the belt cant go any higher and slips (may get a new belt too) this is theory on the belt side of things but i guess i will see whats what when i open her up.
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Before you take it off use a marker to draw a line and check how far it is running up the variator face. You can just about slide a marker in without taking off the variator.
Also worth buying a cheap tach off ebay, i got one for about a tenner ages ago that just wraps round the plug wire and seems to gice acurate readings. Very usefull for getting it dialed in good.
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right when you say plug do you mean the spark plug or a diffrent plug altogether?
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right when you say plug do you mean the spark plug or a diffrent plug altogether?
It comes with a long wire attached that you route down to the sparkplug cable, wrap it around the sparkplug cable 2-3 times and thats it.
I just used strong double sided tape to mount the gauge to my dash. Took about 5mins to install.