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Title: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on June 26, 2012, 01:55:50 AM: ..just ordered me one of these...

http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-222_HiT_Clutch (http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-222_HiT_Clutch)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on June 26, 2012, 02:56:44 AM: What's it going in first... Why did you get that one?
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on June 26, 2012, 02:59:41 AM: ..it's going in nina, and i know the bell wont fit...itsa 16 spline, and s9 hassa 22...

..gonna break it in in nina, with my stage6 bell, hopefully they will co-mingle, or an oem..

..then it's going in my ppl build...maybe...

:o
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on June 26, 2012, 03:10:10 AM: But why the Dr Pulley... I've seen them around but never thought of using one. They are like a million bucks....
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on June 26, 2012, 03:15:35 AM: ..yeah, 265...

..read this..it explains a lot....

http://www.unionmaterial.com/Instruction%20for%20HIT-V1-mini.pdf (http://www.unionmaterial.com/Instruction%20for%20HIT-V1-mini.pdf)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on June 26, 2012, 07:00:28 AM: Oh Hell no. Not More tuning options, and parts to buy... Hell no!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: Vivo on June 26, 2012, 09:08:37 AM: keeps on going and going ..... ;D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on June 27, 2012, 12:40:49 AM: I've started to look into building a basic dyno to test spark curves. Like a ten speed trainer rack on steroids. I don't see any end to it.
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on June 27, 2012, 10:36:46 AM: ...it does never end...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wassonii on June 27, 2012, 10:56:51 AM: "slippily" is an awesome description.
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on June 27, 2012, 11:17:50 AM: ...yeah, slippily...i hadda read that twice...lol..
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: Areomyst on June 30, 2012, 03:28:52 AM: If you take the time to set that clutch up right, you will soon realize that there is no other like it. Trust me. It grabs hard. The Stage 6 and the Dr Pulley HIT are the only two clutches I prefer use if I get a say in the matter. Sometimes budget dictates otherwise, but...

I use the HIT in my Super 9 that I'm building for race.

Enjoy!

~Josh
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on June 30, 2012, 10:45:10 AM: I received the clutch thursday, but i was at wet-n-wild for a day of fun in th sun...

..yesterday after work, it was a frgid 104 in my back yard, sssso no tuning happened then..

..gonna be 100+ again today, tomorrw...

..imma have to take her in, for installation, 'cause i'm positively itching to try this thing out!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on June 30, 2012, 11:25:23 PM: ...imma dumbass...yup!..that's me!!..

..i ordered a 105mm Dr Pulley clutch, knowing all the while, that i needed a 107mm...

...sssso...

..here's the correct link, just in case anybody needs to know...

..aannd imma change the link at the front of this thread, as well..

http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-222_HiT_Clutch (http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-222_HiT_Clutch)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 01, 2012, 12:58:52 AM: And here he comes at 27,000rpms/in last place... SLINGER!!! It's been a long day folks... Head on down to Gerries Quick Mart for a cold pop, and some of his world famous Hot Boiled Peenuts. Tell him you Love the races...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 01, 2012, 01:28:14 AM: ..luckily, i did not install....

..was reading the pdf, and i saw that 151 part # and said...wtf...

..that aint what i need...

..i'm stupid...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: thebatman on July 01, 2012, 02:01:52 PM: BOO.... :o

Dude, that just sux ass.. Stoked all that time and now you gotta get stoked again.... ::)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 01, 2012, 02:02:40 PM: .so much for the 2 day delivery.....
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: thebatman on July 01, 2012, 02:42:24 PM: .so much for the 2 day delivery.....

Surely they will honor it still ???
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 01, 2012, 08:47:03 PM: ..yeah, i was meaning that i got thisn in two days...wowww!!..

..never had that quick of shipping ever!!..

..now, still have no dr p in my scoot...except for the 4gram sliders...

;D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 02, 2012, 09:32:57 PM: ..emailed and called partsforscooters.com today, concerning my stupidity...

..those are some top-notch ppl they got there..

..since it is unused, and still in the original packaging, they are going to let me return the 105mm clutch..

..woww...i was scared there for a minute, since they have a no return policy on performance parts...

..thanx matthew, and tell stephanie i said hi!!

;)

..so, i went ahead today and ordered the right (107mm) clutch, and should get it thursday...

..their 2-day, free shipping over $99 still amazes me...

..i believe i've found me a parts ordering home.....

;D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wassonii on July 03, 2012, 12:39:15 AM: They really are wonderful folks to do business with. Good luck!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: superscoot on July 04, 2012, 06:57:30 PM: good to hear :)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 01:26:55 AM: ..dr pulley HiT...built on a new naraku driven pulley with a naraku performance torque driver..malossi blue 1500 contra.....me likey....

:D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 01:28:23 AM: ..gates premium 748-18-28 drive belt...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 01:29:39 AM: ..just looks like it should perform, huh?
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 01:31:14 AM: ..old 729 was slipping!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 01:32:25 AM: ...clutch..
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Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 01:41:43 AM: ..final tuning for tonite...my fingers are burned...lol..
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: thebatman on July 11, 2012, 01:45:24 AM: That is a pretty ass set-up.....
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 01:50:50 AM: ..nina has a slight stall @ 8600 rpm at takeoff...

..this clutch transfers power in a way i aint ever tuned to..

..it's awesome!!!

..gonna go to the red 24kg flys tomorrow...

..believe they will launch and maintain @ 9000..

..my tech pipe likes that range...

..btw, back to the 5.7g sliders...they work best so far...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 01:55:36 AM: ..it is purty...lol...

..performs purty fukin good as well!!!

;D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: thebatman on July 11, 2012, 01:56:28 AM: nina has a slight stall @ 8600 rpm at takeoff...

8600 rpm isn't a slight stall. That's a crazy high stall. That's what i was refferrring to on the phone. The Jasil springs i had in, she would rev to about that before even thinking about moving.. thats a stall to me.. Like a 3500 stall converter on a vehicle.. kinda, sorta, maybe but ina way not really....
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 02:46:13 AM: ...but we're moving pretty good at 8600...that's what i'm saying...gotta hang on to the bars!!!

;D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: thebatman on July 11, 2012, 02:47:54 AM: OOOOOOOOOOOOOO............ ;)
I see, said the blind man........ :D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 02:49:36 AM: ..sso, i reckon it's not much offa stall, just a lag before launch!..lol..

..i like that word, "launch"...

:D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: thebatman on July 11, 2012, 03:01:17 AM: That's kind of how Haze was acting...
Again...the 1st 15-20ft slack as sh**, then BAM.. It's that 1st 15ft that chaps my arse.....
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 03:07:09 AM: ..i'm not chapped by those feet...

:o

..it's a grab, go..really grab, really go scenario...

..imma make a frikin vid!!!

;)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: thebatman on July 11, 2012, 03:16:10 AM: ..imma make a frikin vid!!!

I iz waiting on dat shiznit....Fo-shizlle my-nizzle.... :D.... :o :o :o :o
Handle that....

..i'm not chapped by those feet...

that's cuz you the cvt man homey...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 11, 2012, 04:00:00 AM: So what rpm do you "start" moving at?
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 04:04:13 AM: ...full throttle twist wide open, or easing slightly...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 11, 2012, 04:07:10 AM: That has to get old. I can hardly take the sound of some pipes let alone WOT 24/7...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 04:08:04 AM: ...omg...not you!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 04:10:13 AM: ...like i said, if i twist hard, she jumps to @ 8600 and GOES!!...LOL...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: Areomyst on July 11, 2012, 04:10:22 AM: Which main and which pillow springs are you using on your setup?

I'd have to go double check mine, but I think I'm running the green mains, and I don't remember what pillows. Basically the stiffest they have to get the clutch engaging as close to 12,500 RPM as I can. I think the greens are 31kg or something, I don't remember though. I hope you like the clutch. I fell in love with it, and I don't think I'll go back to a regular clutch, that's for sure.

Happy tuning!

~Josh
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 04:17:58 AM: ..I LOVE THIS THING!!...

..currently running the yellow (19kg) mains..they are too soft...been going up one color/weight at the time, with the green (9.2) pillows...

..i believe the red (24) are going to dial it in...for a while at least...

..new 743 belt gotta break in some as well...

..i cant imagine nina running 12,500...wow...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: Areomyst on July 11, 2012, 03:13:29 PM: Sounds like you're going about things the right way! It's definitely a super-nice clutch.

Next time you're out this way, I'll let you ride my Super 9. Then you'll be able to imagine 12,500 RPM. :P

~Josh
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 11, 2012, 06:22:53 PM: ...i'm like you, j...i dunno if i will ever buy a different clutch than this one...

..i want one for all my scoots now!!

..wonder how it would work out on a 4t...

..and i definately want to ride that 12,500!!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:28:24 AM: ..well, finding out this bitch aint working...

..it has several mm wobble on the naraku driven pulley....

..wtf??..they both naraku!!..put the torque driver that came with the complete naraku clutch onnit...

..ssso...here we go!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:30:20 AM: ..getting some funky contact on the pads, as well..

..put inna a pratically new oem bell...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:32:09 AM: ..there is a technique to changing these clutch springs...

..go in at this angle..with a small, strong flat-tip screwdriver...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:34:20 AM: ..twist it counter-clockwise, and the spring pops right out!!

..eazy-breezy!!

;D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:36:53 AM: ..installing is easy as well, you just need a smaller driver...

..start at this angle, and just stretch spring, while pushing it down the driver..
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:38:21 AM: ..if you get the angle right, it pops right in!!

..practice, and some sore fingers makes it happen..lol...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:39:42 AM: ..pillow springs are even easier to swap...

..just pop'm out....
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:42:08 AM: ..easy install too...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:46:07 AM: ..tried the HOCA bearing spring base...

..knew there was a problem while installing, because i couldnt fully compress the torque spring by hand...

..it won't work until i take @ 1/4" off the top spring support...

..this piece bottoms out on the bearing base, which results in belt slippage, lower top speed and way high rpms over 45 mph, with no further increase in speed...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 14, 2012, 02:40:09 AM: Quote from: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:46:07 AM
..tried the HOCA bearing spring base...

..knew there was a problem while installing, because i couldnt fully compress the torque spring by hand...

..it won't work until i take @ 1/4" off the top spring support...

..this piece bottoms out on the bearing base, which results in belt slippage, lower top speed and way high rpms over 45 mph, with no further increase in speed...

That piece winds up sitting too high if installed on the 107mm set up It sits about 4-5mm too high on the pulley. You can modify a Malossi plastic ring to fit the pulley side, and use the bearing set on the clutch side. This set up turns a 1500 spring into a 2000 so you may want to try a Good 100 in this set to equal a 1500
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 02:42:24 AM: ..dont really want to increase my contra that much...

..that's why imma cut the top spring base down enough that it won't interfere with the HOCA base...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 14, 2012, 02:43:42 AM: Quote from: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 01:28:24 AM
..well, finding out this bitch aint working...

..it has several mm wobble on the naraku driven pulley....

..wtf??..they both naraku!!..put the torque driver that came with the complete naraku clutch onnit...

..ssso...here we go!!

Josh has posted about those drive sets. Says they are plain weak. Malossi/Polinni both have drive sets in 107mm but I think they are around 400.00 retail. I'll look, and see what I can find for you. I need a set myself. Kind of asap.
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 02:47:05 AM: ..i'm now building this on the oem style naraku driven pulley and torque driver...

..so far, its working...

..i searched and searched for a complete performance/QUALITY driven pulley/torque driver combo..

...must be out there....
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 02:48:06 AM: I need a set myself. Kind of asap.

..ME TOOO!!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 14, 2012, 06:20:23 AM: I'll call spi, and ask what he can do for 2 sets in either brand. Might be able to get him in the morning... (saturday)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 14, 2012, 10:20:12 PM: ...dr pulleys would be nice!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 01:44:00 AM: ..well, that oem bell is contacting better, if slippily...

;D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 01:46:25 AM: ..think i'm pretty much done with using aluminum drive faces, for a long run anyways...

..dont know if it's visible, but this NCY is getting very groovy...

:-\
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 01:48:02 AM: ..aannd there was this with the naraku...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 01:50:31 AM: ..put the 748 back in with the stable pulleys...

..dont wanna hear no sh** about all the dust, okay??..lol..

..imma clean all that before th blow-out!!..

;)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 01:53:24 AM: ..fits like this...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 01:54:07 AM: ..aannd thiss....
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 01:55:54 AM: ..put in this oem drive face, and boy!!..didnt that open a whole

...new can of worms....

:'(
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 02:02:34 AM: ..thank god i got this..
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 02:03:43 AM: ..can even remove these!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 02:05:32 AM: ..never been much on using a impact for tightening tho...

..still do that by hand...

..got the torque-o-matic elbow...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 02:12:00 AM: ..today's tuning results determined that i need 5.5 gram dr pulley sliders...not ninja's, because they react differently...thighter, heavier..

..thanks to kenho for the slider link, they been ordered already, as well as some 6 grams..

..note: there is a .5 to .625 gram difference in weight reaction between the two makes of sliders...dr pulley and scooter ninja D-sliders...

..best i can tell with hot mod tuning today...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 15, 2012, 02:37:48 AM: To get the clutch pads to hit square (this is dangerous) Take a flat sanding block, and hold it against the spinning clutch with the bell off, and the bike running on the center stand. My Malossi hit on all the forward corners till I blocked it down. I used three pairs of shop gloves too...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 02:40:19 AM: ...i wondered if i should try something like that...

..you reading my mind??
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 15, 2012, 03:09:57 AM: Yup! Even a clutch needs to be tuned...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 03:15:09 AM: and find a different angle for the street. ..

..and sh** like that...

aint it crazy?!!
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 15, 2012, 03:17:07 AM: I just want a reliable 90mph street scoot... Is that too much to ask? (I'll settle for 80 in street trim.)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 03:20:53 AM: ..no, its do-able...

..i just hope you got it rolling before september....

;D
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 03:25:35 AM: ..imma have nina screaming...

..unjinx!!..

..dammit...
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 15, 2012, 03:31:47 AM: The only parts Not in hand are the Ign. parts. I can run it but I can't use the power band. It gets 70mph easy but starts to DET around 10-11k rpm. 11.5-12k is where it starts pulling. I'm planning to swap the gears again this week, as well as a little more case work thru the intake area. I hope the Ign ships monday. I will have the bike ready for it. Planning on hitting it hard tomorrow...Head set/finish paint/maybe I'll get to the rewire for the new bar controls... I have to make a fiberglass mount for the gauges as well... Still haven't figured a style.
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 03:38:31 AM: ..i like the green...looks froggy, and cool as hell...

;)
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 15, 2012, 03:41:25 AM: It is a cool color combo. Just a whim. But I may wind up liking this one.
I haven't seen it all assembled yet
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 03:44:47 AM: ..pics look fukn awesome....

..you might really want to get one of these dr p clutches, bro...

..i swear, it's the most responsive clutch i ever bought..
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: zombie on July 15, 2012, 04:41:27 AM: Just bought the MKII... Don't need a clutch where I'm going~
Title: Re: Dr Pulley HiT Clutch
Post by: wordslinger on July 15, 2012, 04:50:56 AM: ..that mkII is also an awesome fukin clutch!!

...its adjustable to the infinite...

..dont trust the hash marks ultimately...