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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vivo on June 09, 2012, 07:20:40 AM
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DEATH PENALTY..
Does it really deter crime? Stop would be criminals from doing any crime?
Does it lower crime rate?
Is it morally right? Who decides who dies? The Law?
They say the gas chamber is the "Humane" way to kill? It's still killing..
Maybe cutting a hand, arm, or leg would be more of a deterrent than death. The person will really see his penalty and others will be always reminded.
What if the criminal has a potential to be reformed?
Before, we had the death penalty in our country, now, no more. There's no difference.
I have a mixed opinion on this. Dunno about you guys.....
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DEATH PENALTY..
Does it really deter crime? Stop would be criminals from doing any crime?
Does it lower crime rate?
Is it morally right? Who decides who dies? The Law?
They say the gas chamber is the "Humane" way to kill? It's still killing..
Maybe cutting a hand, arm, or leg would be more of a deterrent than death. The person will really see his penalty and others will be always reminded.
What if the criminal has a potential to be reformed?
Before, we had the death penalty in our country, now, no more. There's no difference.
I have a mixed opinion on this. Dunno about you guys.....
Strange, but I have no opinion on that but I also think it would not be a deterrent.
Until recently life sentence here was 20 years, and it was a few years ago extended to 40 for extremely severe crimes, usually murder(s).
We have not had death penalty for decades.
If you take a look at the list of countries that have death penalty, you will see that it is most often used in a strange combination of countries: USA, China, Japan and a mixture of obscure Middle Eastern and African regimes, while USA and China are the only ones executing minors.
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strange combination of countries: USA, China, Japan and a mixture of obscure Middle Eastern and African regimes
:D :D :D
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Doesnt deter crime, doesnt lower crime rates and isnt humane. Makes you no better than them.
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My emotional response is to keep the death penalty.
However thinking it through I would only keep it in extremely rare instances. First we must be absolutely sure the person to be executed is 100% guilty of the crime.
I like the idea of other countries of offing a hand or a penis in cases of rape, but again this only works when you are 100% sure they are guilty. I'd hate to lop off someone’s hand that wasn't really the one taking that bar of soap.
You can't give back the time you took from a prisoner but that's better than trying to give back a hand or penis.
I like the idea of public flogging or stocks in town square.
To answer the other part of the question, NO the death penalty does not deter crime.
I'd like to place them all on an island, give them internet access and farm tools, let them provide for themselves, if they fail to they die, simple as that.
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I'd like to place them all on an island, give them internet access and farm tools, let them provide for themselves, if they fail to they die, simple as that.
Already done here, shut down at the end of 80s. Too bad, I say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok)
My hometown is shown in the upper left corner.
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Already done here, shut down at the end of 80s. Too bad, I say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok)
My hometown is shown in the upper left corner.
Not the same as what I mentioned. I'm not for forced labor, just keep them out of the general population, if they kill one another then too bad for them, if you want separate islands for different offenders (rapest, murderers, major crimes) then fine. But I don't want to support them, if their family wants to visit them let them let them flip the bill, if their too poor then too bad. I'm tired of paying.
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Not the same as what I mentioned. I'm not for forced labor, just keep them out of the general population, if they kill one another then too bad for them, if you want separate islands for different offenders (rapest, murderers, major crimes) then fine. But I don't want to support them, if their family wants to visit them let them let them flip the bill, if their too poor then too bad. I'm tired of paying.
Well, in USA many prisons are owned by private corporations and there is big money in running the business. That's why incarceration rates are skyrocketing in USA.
Guys in Washington clearly disagree with you and they would like to see even more people in (=more money for those running the facilities = more money (bribe) for lobbyists).
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That's just stupid, "Big Prison" lobbyists in Washington to get more prisoners to lock up and profit from.
There's more prisoners because there's more crime, because people aren't afraid to go to prison, and all their friends are already in prison, so it's a big free ride party, and you even get free tattoos.
Start executing criminals and pretty soon they're in short supply, and anyone who commits a crime, well, the "Big Execution" business is going to have scaffolds ready to go, no waiting, step right up and say hello to Saddam Hussein,
Next.
Who's next? Anybody?
Damn, can't seem to find any criminals any more, looks like crime does not pay.
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That's just stupid, "Big Prison" lobbyists in Washington to get more prisoners to lock up and profit from.
There's more prisoners because there's more crime, because people aren't afraid to go to prison, and all their friends are already in prison, so it's a big free ride party, and you even get free tattoos.
Start executing criminals and pretty soon they're in short supply, and anyone who commits a crime, well, the "Big Execution" business is going to have scaffolds ready to go, no waiting, step right up and say hello to Saddam Hussein,
Next.
Who's next? Anybody?
Damn, can't seem to find any criminals any more, looks like crime does not pay.
China and Saudi Arabia are not far from what you described. Guess what, there is still crime.
Would you really like to see Saudi recipee applied in the land of the free?
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Well, in USA many prisons are owned by private corporations and there is big money in running the business. That's why incarceration rates are skyrocketing in USA.
Guys in Washington clearly disagree with you and they would like to see even more people in (=more money for those running the facilities = more money (bribe) for lobbyists).
Some yes, many no.
How is it that "guys" in Washington disagree?
Crime in big cities of the US is rampant, what's worse is that many crimes go unpublished in our media sometimes the vast majority of certain crimes.
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Some yes, many no.
How is it that "guys" in Washington disagree?
Crime in big cities of the US is rampant, what's worse is that many crimes go unpublished in our media sometimes the vast majority of certain crimes.
I saw your other post.
Most of the issues you are facing are in fact direct consequence of the free market system, very same system that made The American Dream after WWII possible. You have extremely low taxes, consequently compared to (Western) European standards very poorly developed social network (in terms of social care and transfers, security of employment etc.) and direct consequences of fully liberal system are gangs, inequality, ghettos, suburban poverty and violence. I have never visited USA but have been watching movies, documentaries and reading on the subject for the better part of my life. Not so long time ago you had slavery and only 50 years ago segregation in some states. This is complex heritage that does not exist in that form in Europe and many things can be traced back half a century or century ago. Furthermore, do not forget that USA as a nation is very new and it is a "melting pot" of many other nations while in Europe most countries have large majority of one nation (and single race!) and all others are minorities. In my city there are sites and castles that are 2000+ years old. It is much different situation than living in a country where "old" means 100 or 200 years.
Of course, there are many immigrants from Africa (ex. colonies) in France and a lot of immigrants in UK, so much that they want sharia law zones. However, I do not think that ghettoization is so widespread. You will not see suburban slams with just one group or race in Europe (in Italy, Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal...or even my country) The only exception are Roma people (you'd probably call them Gypsies).
I think that you are just seeing the beginning of all these trends. De-industrialization is all over the place, we (The People from the West) decided we will shut down industry, provide services to each other and do some research and produce a bit of know how here and there and some poor people across the globe in China, India or Bangladesh will work for us. USA has paved the way, Europe has followed and in that order we will pay the price. There are ghost towns like Detroit in Europe too, especially in eastern part of Germany (for different reasons though, stemming from unification of Germany).
It truly comes down to lack of education, to poverty, to "thug lifestyle" as 2pac would put it... and it becomes rooted in certain nation or culture.
I think we will see more and more ghettos as the things will progress. The company I work for is a small multinational company (40K employees, part of bigger 80K employee holding) and we work in countries where foreign companies are almost above the law, everything happens smoothly for expats, there is a local "partner" who is in charge to "grease a few palms", isolation between our people working somewhere and locals is complete... we are entering very uncertain future, much different than Keynesian welfare state we all enjoyed in one form or another in 50's, 60's and 70's, future where there will be more emphasis on the power of corporations and corporate-government complex (you've had that for decades!) and much less on race, nation or something like that.
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I saw your other post.
I don't know where to start with a response. You went all over the place so I'll stick to the basics.
The operations of a country are very complex, on one hand if you are strictly capitalist you run the risk of losing those that can't keep up or having monopolies.
On the other hand if you have too many social programs (as some in the US now feel we do) you run the risk of driving away the capitalists with high taxes.
So the flow from low taxes and higher taxes seem to ebb and flow, rise and fall over time as a way of keeping things even.
I hope we all see the problem with a socialistic society, no incentive to excel!
I'm not sure about your points on slavery and segregation, hell in many, many instances we segregate ourselves, most blacks don't want to live with whites and vice versa, the races are that different. Now on an individual basis that can't be further from the truth, but as a group we tend to live in separate large groups.
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Alternative formsrabble rouser
[edit] Nounrabble-rouser (plural rabble-rousers)
1.A person who tries to stir up masses of people for political action by appealing to their emotions rather than their reason. A demagogue.
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Alternative formsrabble rouser
[edit] Nounrabble-rouser (plural rabble-rousers)
1.A person who tries to stir up masses of people for political action by appealing to their emotions rather than their reason. A demagogue.
Perhaps you can bring something worth while to the conversation instead of accusing ohters of being trools.
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I made no accusations , but if the shoe fits , feel free to ........ whatever .
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Let's join the rest of the developed world. No death penalty. Besides it's more expensive than life imprisonment and doesn't stop but a few people that, under extreme emotional stress, consider the possibility of death for what they're about to do.
Our death penalty system is also not balanced and when we kill mentally ill people with these laws we're inhumane.
It was instigated most recently by a knee-jerk response to rampant crime and by politicians rabble rousing billy and janie bob. Plenty of far right wing folks got elected on the get-tough nature of reinstating the death penalty and it has failed because there's no way to know if it has stopped any crime.
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Well, in USA many prisons are owned by private corporations and there is big money in running the business. That's why incarceration rates are skyrocketing in USA.
Guys in Washington clearly disagree with you and they would like to see even more people in (=more money for those running the facilities = more money (bribe) for lobbyists).
Maybe this is why prisoners have RIGHTS and homeless people who are good persons just out of luck have lesser rights and just die on the streets. What a system....
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I made no accusations , but if the shoe fits , feel free to ........ whatever .
Perhaps then you are the troll, you made no accusations yet made the same exact post in 2 threads, what were you looking to accomplish?
I mean, come on man we are all adults here, if you can't come out and say what's on your mind on the internet then where can you? Or are you just the passive aggressive type?
If you have trouble saying what's on your mind send me a PM with an outline and I'll play devil's advocate on your behalf.
Otherwise you sound like a loser to me
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Let's join the rest of the developed world. No death penalty. Besides it's more expensive than life imprisonment and doesn't stop but a few people that, under extreme emotional stress, consider the possibility of death for what they're about to do.
Our death penalty system is also not balanced and when we kill mentally ill people with these laws we're inhumane.
It was instigated most recently by a knee-jerk response to rampant crime and by politicians rabble rousing billy and janie bob. Plenty of far right wing folks got elected on the get-tough nature of reinstating the death penalty and it has failed because there's no way to know if it has stopped any crime.
Not knowing where your from I can't comment directly to your statement but if you are refering to the US the policy we've been hanging people for hundreds of years.
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I joined this forum mainly to talk about scooters , not that it should be restricted to that . Lately there have been a lot of thinly veiled threads that seem to be designed to stir a lot of controversy . What is the point ? It kind of reminds me of the people who hijack forums to try and sell cheap electronics , porn etc. I just thought I would express my opinion . Is that ok ? Am I also allowed to say what I think even if it is not pertainent in your opinion ? I have a 2002 Kymco People 50 . I enjoy riding it and I like to visit this forum . Thank you .
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I joined this forum mainly to talk about scooters , not that it should be restricted to that . Lately there have been a lot of thinly veiled threads that seem to be designed to stir a lot of controversy . What is the point ? It kind of reminds me of the people who hijack forums to try and sell cheap electronics , porn etc. I just thought I would express my opinion . Is that ok ? Am I also allowed to say what I think even if it is not pertainent in your opinion ? I have a 2002 Kymco People 50 . I enjoy riding it and I like to visit this forum . Thank you .
I respect this forum and that's why I placed this thread on the GENERAL DISCUSSION section where we can talk about anything thank you very much!
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Juice got it right Trolls...
Jesus was born in a ghetto. There have been ghetto's since there have been people. Same with "gangs". There weren't too many social halls 40,000 years ago. You should have thought about that before slamming my niger Too Pack. (one of the "Bro's" stole the other four from the pack... thus too pack)
Prisons are HUGE business here. While 86 percent of all prisoners are "non white" they are just 23 percent of the population as a whole in the US. What does that tell you?
It's NOT about reform, or any fairy tale bull crap. It's about removing those you do not want to see. Same everywhere.
IF someone does a crime/confesses, or is caught "red handed" then take a limb, or a penis, or an eye. But killing changes nothing. Maiming I believe is a much better deterrent. The Death Penalty in the US is a joke anyway. At LEAST 10 years of 3 hots, and a cot. Plus daily access to all your new friends. It sure doesn't scare me. Loosing my junk/hands does.
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That's why mosquitoes never stop biting/stinging, because we slap and kill them. Take off a limb and it will fly back to its group to warn them not to sting anymore!!!! Lol!!! That was a joke!
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I joined this forum mainly to talk about scooters , not that it should be restricted to that . Lately there have been a lot of thinly veiled threads that seem to be designed to stir a lot of controversy . What is the point ? It kind of reminds me of the people who hijack forums to try and sell cheap electronics , porn etc. I just thought I would express my opinion . Is that ok ? Am I also allowed to say what I think even if it is not pertainent in your opinion ? I have a 2002 Kymco People 50 . I enjoy riding it and I like to visit this forum . Thank you .
Now there's an opinion I can live with and deal with. The reason all of us joined is because we have a Kymco in common. If you want to read just scoot stuff read the other sections of the forum. The general section is a mixed bag of tricks, you can read scoot stuff and social issues. The social issues fills in some blanks when the scoot stuff has been asked and answered. I speak for myself only here but look at some other posts that have been made before you try and pin a troll label on anyone. I've started several topics on scoots and answered a few questions on scoots myself, however answers from me will be slow in coming as I'm new to scooting.
If I can give some advice here, don't call people trolls unless you have some fact to back it up, if you only want to talk scoots don't click on social topics, that should be easy and fully in your control. If you want to join in a social issue by all means please do, if we don't talk about things how will we ever get to know one another?
Peace out.
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I very much enjoy these off the wall "dicey" topics. It seems to bring out a passion in everyone. Whether you agree or disagree with the poster is not so much a burden. It allows us to express what we normally cannot.
Try talking MOST of this in a bar, or at a city hall meeting. You will have your ass handed to you in either place. Here we just click off. Nice!
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Here we just click off. Nice!
Or punch the monitor screen....
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..what?
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Slinger... oh hell. Never mind! Here's a link that may help...
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Vivo is a mess. Has pink guns, zombie puppets, and mushrooms in his desk. Hell, maybe the Philli's are magic after all? Or maybe Vivo just Thinks all that great sh** happens...
IDK!
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All great sh**s happen! It's all around us!!! You just have to stop and smell the roses.. or the mushrooms..
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back to related topic...
Several drug couriers were and are being caught in our airports here. They pass thru here and not afraid of being caught because unlike other countries, there's no death penalty here. Most of them are Nigerians.
Chinese and Koreans are stay-ins. The have drug labs in posh villages.
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Does anyone else find it odd that "Juice" cries about the topic, we take turns explaining ourselves to him/her and he/she doesn't agree/disagree with what we had to say and our reasons behind it?
Or maybe I'm being to sensitive over being referred to as a troll.
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I was not "crying" . I simply offered an observation , then I further explained my reason . I never asked anyone to explain anything to me and I never called anyone a troll . Now , I really don't give a rodent's hairy little behind what you think , so you should not feel obligated to respond to any of my posts . Does that clairify things for you ?
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I was not "crying" . I simply offered an observation , then I further explained my reason . I never asked anyone to explain anything to me and I never called anyone a troll . Now , I really don't give a rodent's hairy little behind what you think , so you should not feel obligated to respond to any of my posts . Does that clairify things for you ?
Then I suggest you stop reading mine. And I know you'll be reading this because you can't help yourself. You implied that either I or others were trolling or something akin to it. Your observation was both insulting and inflamatory, the moderators don't seem to mind the side bar conversations or they would not have placed the general discussion topic heading.
And true you never asked anyone for an explaination but we, not wanting to offend you stated our positions and reasons why we post as we do. I think that say allot about the members here, but my guess is you got nothing from it, so troll on my friend, troll on.
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Get over yourself dude .
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Get over yourself dude .
I will when you do, in the mean time stop reading my posts, what's wrong, no self control? What a Maroon. (Bugs Bunny)
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and then ?
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