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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: jezyg on May 31, 2012, 08:54:05 PM
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Well I have not been on the Kymco forum shore for a wee while been busy with book writing and annoying people ;D
As for the Scoot is is running great changed my oil to fully synth a few months back and is running much smoother and as the miles pile on is becoming a little bit faster, especially with the current warmer air. In fact it has been going so well I have scrubbed plans to change it in September, was behind an Piaggio NRG 50 and to be honest the difference in performance was not that great. I also still prefer the sound of my 4 stoke, with a few miles on these AG 50's are pretty perky.
Next time round it will be a 125cc to be honest but I can easily cope with another year out of the AG, since initial problems has not missed a beat. Top speed is still only an indicated 40mph as lost 2mph when I changed the variator weights by 0.5g but acceleration up hills and from a standing start is better so can cope with that. Did the cut in the CDi but did not change the top speed at all. As I had heard they are still restricted. Have no idea who is telling poorkie pies on the CDi bit???
End of my sermon - Chapter 5 Kymco owners handbook ;D
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Wondered where you'd got to :)
Glad the scoots been good.
On the cdi thing, you can pick up an urestricted cdi off ebay for about a tenner. May make no difference but whats a lost tenner if it doesnt?
According to Kymco UK ALL a50's leave the facory with a restricted cdi, least thats what they told me when i emailed them ???
Maybe try yourself and let us know if you get the same answer i did? The links on the Kymco site under contact us, contact tech dept.
How many miles you got on it now? I just hit 20,000km last week, running great, best its ever been (please dont let that jinx it :D ). Just hit 50mph indicated again last week so all is sweet in my garden :)
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Wondered where you'd got to :)
Glad the scoots been good.
On the cdi thing, you can pick up an urestricted cdi off ebay for about a tenner. May make no difference but whats a lost tenner if it doesnt?
According to Kymco UK ALL a50's leave the facory with a restricted cdi, least thats what they told me when i emailed them ???
Maybe try yourself and let us know if you get the same answer i did? The links on the Kymco site under contact us, contact tech dept.
How many miles you got on it now? I just hit 20,000km last week, running great, best its ever been (please dont let that jinx it :D ). Just hit 50mph indicated again last week so all is sweet in my garden :)
I put quite a deep cut in but did nothing, may well try a de-restricted CDi unit for £10 also going to finally get round to changing the mirrors as the stock ones are poor. I still only have 2.8K on it but then it is only a 10 mile round trip and I have used the push bike the odd day as well.
To hit 50 I would need to upgrade the variator as that seems to be what is holding the top speed back, you can hear it reach max speed indicated 42mph which is the top speed Kymco state.
Only strange and funny scoot story I have is Mr strange in his twenties driving a bright metallic green 04 plate Vauxhall Mervia, lights change green before I get to them so carry on past him. Mr strange pulls up to me at the next set of lights, shouting "You think your fast, just watch me I am faster than that piece of S***"?? At the next set of lights I was able to filter and ended up right in front of him to many expletives being shouted out of his window over the oh so trendy music NOT blearing out ???
I suppose not as strange as the women who shoved several razor blades up her vagina, or the man that tried to commit suicide with a cordless drill to the head, now that was more than a few drops of blood scattered about!!! Never a dull a moment for me ???
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I have an unrestricted 'race' CDI unit that came with the daughters scoot you can have for a tenner.......
De restricting is easy, I'm in the process of re-restricting the standard CDI unit that we got with the daughters bike, if you have a dremel you can do it really neatly.
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..do make sure you cut deeep...
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..this issa 2010 a50 cdi...
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Thanks for the pic maybe I did not cut quite deep enough looking at the pic will have a play tomorrow!!!
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I didnt get mine with a saw, thought i did but i didnt. Used a large flat file and took the whole bottom edge off. Saw it easy then :)
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Hello jezyg glad to here your ag50 has got passed its teething problems, mine also feels like it running at its best now I am almost at 3000km and it is now 12 months old, im also cycling a couple of times a week hence the low miles I may be forced to give up my a50 in a few weeks if I fail my field test as I have been diagnosed with glucoma even tho i can see perfectly well without glasses im told i may still have blind spots so may be forced to cycle every day I guess the only plus side is I will be kept fit......
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Surely if they think you cant see well enough to scoot then its the same for cycles? I know youre prob fine and its just red tape and rules but on a bike youre still on the road with other vehicles? Given that i got 37mph once out my mountain bike (downhill) you could in theory be goin faster on your bike than on your scoot, makes little sense does it?
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Thanks for the pic maybe I did not cut quite deep enough looking at the pic will have a play tomorrow!!!
If you CDI does not have a purple/violet wire then your CDI is not restricted.
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...pic of my oem '08 agility cdi wiring...
..no purple wiring, and the cdi was definately restricted...
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If you CDI does not have a purple/violet wire then your CDI is not restricted.
Kymco Claims un restricted in some responses, and restricted in others but the fact is the cdi will not rev past 9k.
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I have gone back and put a deeper cut in and found the wire, also felt some resistance when cutting it so knew it was there. Low and behold I have an extra 3mph, not fully tested it though. Engine note is also slightly different across the rev band, sounds smoother and less retarded than it did. Only did a short trip down the road, so will wait until I have had a few trips to work and back to fully comment. But my MY12 had a restricted CDi. Hope that is of use to everyone ;D
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Told ya :)
............just sayin ;D
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Told ya :)
............just sayin ;D
Your da man the Yoda of the AG50 ;D
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Your da man the Yoda of the AG50 ;D
Nah, thats Wordslinger, he's the A50 master, i am but the apprentice ;D
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..aww, shucks.....
:-*
..it's all in the cvt!!!
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My AG50 is deffo livelier than it was, pick up is almost instant compared to previously. My personal feeling is the restricted CDi is also connected to emission regulations. As whilst I have a higher RPM the Scoot is more responsive and accelerates better throughout the rev range. Skoda did the same to the Fabia 1.4 16v Petrol back in 2004 and retarded acceleration in the name of emissions. >:(
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It just makes it more enjoyable to ride.
Is this the start of the tuning bug biting? :D
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My personal feeling is the restricted CDi is also connected to emission regulations.
Mine were removed and blocked off on my A50......
Then again, mine had a different cvt cover and front rotor than ANY others i've seen
PLUS mine already had a UN-restricted cdi. (no idea where it came from, they normally have to be made UN-restricted)...(2nd owner, bought w/600kms...'08 model)
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..awesome, jezyg!!!...
..those oem cdis are restricted...
..so far, i've never seen proof that any oem agility cdi was not restricted...
..in these days of global warming and sh**, i can't imagine that they would not be so...
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Agreed. They are all rpm limited on 50cc scooters.
Some flutter, and some just drop the timing curve rather steeply too.
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All I know is that the OEM CDi is holding the engine back, when you twist the throttle with the OEM restricted CDi there is a slight hesitation that you don't notice until you un-restrict it. It is like the rev's build up ever so slightly more progressively as the rev's rise. For me my AG50 is exactly how I want it and the variator mod is now working properly as well. As I said the only reason to hold the engine back on a restricted CDi is for emission reasons ???
Sterido - Yep have a bit of a mod bug, but have to admit I am going to enjoy my 'new' AG50 that feels like I have just upgraded to a better scoot and can blow main a 2T Scoot away ;D
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If your still running those mixed rollers to give 6g then you prob want to think of ordering a full set of 6g's then? The lighter rollers will wear down quicker than the heavier ones. Mixing up is really just for testing out to find your ideal weight, once you get it then its best to replace with a set of that weight.
Did you try a stiffer torque spring? 1000 or 1500 rpm? If it feels like you could use better power up hills thats a cheap mod.
If you were to fit a race variator, oh i dont know........maybe a Malossi Multivar ::), you may even enjoy it even more?
..................just sayin................. that' be my next mod .............. ;D
Good thing with scoots is its all pretty cheap and quick to try and if you dont like it you can always put it back. :)
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As I said the only reason to hold the engine back on a restricted CDi is for emission reasons
The restriction has nothing to do with emissions. In fact it produces More unburned hydrocarbons because they skip every other stroke on some, and drop off timing on others. Both of these are the equivalent of flooding the engine with fuel.
If it's faster building of rpm's you are after a stronger contra spring is the answer. It will cause the Torque Drive to open slower, and hold lower ratios longer
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+1 z and streido..
;)
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If your still running those mixed rollers to give 6g then you prob want to think of ordering a full set of 6g's then? The lighter rollers will wear down quicker than the heavier ones. Mixing up is really just for testing out to find your ideal weight, once you get it then its best to replace with a set of that weight.
Did you try a stiffer torque spring? 1000 or 1500 rpm? If it feels like you could use better power up hills thats a cheap mod.
If you were to fit a race variator, oh i dont know........maybe a Malossi Multivar ::), you may even enjoy it even more?
..................just sayin................. that' be my next mod .............. ;D
Good thing with scoots is its all pretty cheap and quick to try and if you dont like it you can always put it back. :)
I may well go down the race variator path next, not changed the torque spring yet but 6g rollers seem to work well, only slight slowdown on hills now. Agree mods are cheap and very easy to fit. It seems that like changing the rollers have little effect until you derestrict.
On the emissions front all Euro and US models are fitted with a restricted CDi, Asian models are not as far as I could find, even if not to meet Euro 3 regs wonder why the difference? Motorbikes are due to go to Euro 5 this year ???
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Limiting rpm's in the ways they do causes more emissions. Perhaps in the future versions they will change that as well. Do the limiting in the Tranny.