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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: KinniCruzer on May 14, 2012, 02:50:04 PM
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Just purchased a new 2012 A50 and followed the suggestions to un-restrict posted on this site. Everything worked as discussed. I installed the new straight boss in the variator & the 82 carb jet. I noticed about a 4 mph increase.
I replaced the CDI with an un-restricted one from MonsterScooter ($54, shipping included) because I didn't feel comfortable cutting the original one. The OEM (in the US) is definately restricted. With the new one I now get 43 - 45 mph on the flats.
Thanks everyone for the advice, I just couldn't live with 30 mph. :)
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Just purchased a new 2012 A50 and followed the suggestions to un-restrict posted on this site. Everything worked as discussed. I installed the new straight boss in the variator & the 82 carb jet. I noticed about a 4 mph increase.
I replaced the CDI with an un-restricted one from MonsterScooter ($54, shipping included) because I didn't feel comfortable cutting the original one. The OEM (in the US) is definately restricted. With the new one I now get 43 - 45 mph on the flats.
Thanks everyone for the advice, I just couldn't live with 30 mph. :)
Yup it is def restricted on ALL a50's, Kymco told me when i emailed them to clear up the confusion over newer Agilitys where people where saying they dont restrict newer ones. They do, according to Kymco ALL agilitys leave the factory with restricted cdi's.
You can cut the wire on the end of the old cdi or ive been told its the purple wire on the new ones that needs cut. If you cut the purple and it doesnt work its no big deal to rejoin it, if you didnt want to buy a new race cdi.
Bet it feels much safwr riding now at a safe and sensible speed that can actually keep up with the flow of traffic :)
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Yup it is def restricted on ALL a50's, Kymco told me when i emailed them to clear up the confusion over newer Agilitys where people where saying they dont restrict newer ones. They do, according to Kymco ALL agilitys leave the factory with restricted cdi's.
You can cut the wire on the end of the old cdi or ive been told its the purple wire on the new ones that needs cut. If you cut the purple and it doesnt work its no big deal to rejoin it, if you didnt want to buy a new race cdi.
Bet it feels much safwr riding now at a safe and sensible speed that can actually keep up with the flow of traffic :)
My 2012 agility with a smooth boss runs at 41-43 without any modifications to the CDI, although I'll probably try to remove the purple wire to check.
Ok, I just checked my CDI and found that I do not have a purple/violet wire. This confirms not all 2012 Agility 50's are restricted.
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My 2012 agility with a smooth boss runs at 41-43 without any modifications to the CDI, although I'll probably try to remove the purple wire to check.
Ok, I just checked my CDI and found that I do not have a purple/violet wire. This confirms not all 2012 Agility 50's are restricted.
All i know Exe is i emailed Kymco Uk tech dept a month or so ago. I asked if a 2012 Agility cdi was restricted from new, here is the reply i got back,
" The situation with the Agility 50 cdi has not changed since their introduction, the cdi has a rev limiter fitted on all models leaving the assembly plant.
Regards." :-\
Where are you Exe? Maybe your country is different? If Kymco UK say all Agilitys leave the factory then i assume that means global? Maybe email Kymco Tech Dept yourself and ask then post up what answer you get back just to see if they match or not?
I know i read someone on here recently who said they cut a wire and their speed jumped a good 5-10mph on a newer a50? Mine is a 2008 so i dont have the problem, mine was easy to cut.
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I live in the United States and the "all Kymco's are restricted" is absolutely not true. I own a 2012 Agility Kymco with stock CDI that contains no purple/violet wire, which is filled with a molex plug. In total, I have two unconnected molex plugs.
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Maybe the UK models are ordered with different specs from the factory? Seems weird the Tech Dept would get it wrong? Im stumped.
Found the thread i saw about the wire on, it was for a RS model so maybe different, http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=1265.15 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=1265.15)
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...here's a simple test, that will prove one of you guys, streido or exe, to be true...
.....first exe, take one of these....
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I live in the United States and the "all Kymco's are restricted" is absolutely not true. I own a 2012 Agility Kymco with stock CDI that contains no purple/violet wire, which is filled with a molex plug. In total, I have two unconnected molex plugs.
No one cares... Just get the race, and be done with it. They are all "LIMITED" in rpm's no mater what you call it. Race cdi's will spin as high as the coil you use.
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...really get into the end of your cdi, kinda like this...
...don't worry, there is nothing there you can harm....
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Her is an example... The old coil in cap HEI ingitions in the 70's -80's trans ams had no restriction. BUT they could only realibly fire to 6,000 rpm's. Replacing them with an Accell race coil allowed 8,000 rpm's . It is called the saturation point of the capacitor in the cdi.
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...if you see this 7-stranded wire, then yeah...that cdi is restricted...
...btw, i just took these pics as i did this to a 2010 cdi...
..epoxy the gash if you want to afterward...
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...really get into the end of your cdi, kinda like this...
...don't worry, there is nothing there you can harm....
There is no need to, as my CDI is not restricted. You should read.
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..i cant read...i just spew forth stuff....
:D
..hey, it was just an idea....
:-*
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Spew on my brother! Spew forth, and be fruitful.
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I also have a 2012, I changed the CDI to a race CDI, took the washer off the variator and installed 5.5 rollers. I'm getting 44-45 mph now. The boss was already smooth did not need to change it.
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The boss was already smooth did not need to change it.
..that's what i've been seeing on nearly every new scoot i've looked at....
..bet there's a smaller, or non-adjustable carb on it!!
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I also have a 2012, I changed the CDI to a race CDI, took the washer off the variator and installed 5.5 rollers. I'm getting 44-45 mph now. The boss was already smooth did not need to change it.
Which washer on the variator? Mine had no washer?
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...i have not seen any washers either....hmmmm...
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The boss was already smooth did not need to change it.
..that's what i've been seeing on nearly every new scoot i've looked at....
..bet there's a smaller, or non-adjustable carb on it!!
Smaller not sure, but there are new EPA regulations so you have to have specialized tools to adjust the carburetor.
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Smaller not sure, but there are new EPA regulations so you have to have specialized tools to adjust the carburetor.
What a pain ??? Makes sense does it really? Im sure the proper tool to open it will be available on ebay etc for a couple of bucks so whats the point of trying to keep you out the carb? If you cant buy the tool then its not servicable, unless your a Kymco dealer, so i would swap it over for a new aftermarket one if it was me as soon as i needed to upjet, clean jets or tune it.
Im all for improving the enviroment and cutting emmissions etc but this seems a complete waste of time in the US. While you ride your little kymco with its sealed carb the guy overtaking you is getting about 15-20mpg in his truck, why not tarvet them instead kf 50cc scooter guys? :-\
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What a pain ??? Makes sense does it really? Im sure the proper tool to open it will be available on ebay etc for a couple of bucks so whats the point of trying to keep you out the carb? If you cant buy the tool then its not servicable, unless your a Kymco dealer, so i would swap it over for a new aftermarket one if it was me as soon as i needed to upjet, clean jets or tune it.
Im all for improving the enviroment and cutting emmissions etc but this seems a complete waste of time in the US. While you ride your little kymco with its sealed carb the guy overtaking you is getting about 15-20mpg in his truck, why not tarvet them instead kf 50cc scooter guys? :-\
Smaller engines burn fuel and treat it differently than more modern and advance full sized vehicles. A lawn more currently outputs more harmful gases than an eight cylinder SUV or truck does. I believe lawn equipment has new regulations which started this year.
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Which washer on the variator? Mine had no washer?
under the nut that holds the varator on there was a rather thick washer. that was the first thing i did and got 3 mph just by removing it.
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under the nut that holds the varator on there was a rather thick washer. that was the first thing i did and got 3 mph just by removing it.
Nope i dont have that and never did :-\
All i have is the nut that goes onto the crank to hold on the variator, no washer on mine but i do have a metal washer thats molded into the plastic fan on the outside. If def wont come off mine as its part of the fan itself. Mine sits flush anyway so i guess it makes no difference on my 2008 model.
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under the nut that holds the varator on there was a rather thick washer
..ummm...removing that washer will do nothing to change the geometry of the variator...and will not affect performance in any way...
...the purpose of that washer is to give the nut a hardened seat to tighten against, as opposed to seating against the splined fan retainer.
..i suggest puttng it back!!!!!
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under the nut that holds the varator on there was a rather thick washer
..ummm...removing that washer will do nothing to change the geometry of the variator...and will not affect performance in any way...
...the purpose of that washer is to give the nut a hardened seat to tighten against, as opposed to seating against the splined fan retainer.
..i suggest puttng it back!!!!!
the splined fan has a metal washer thats molded into the plastic fan on the outside.
i had read on the this forum to remover it, and it did give me 3-4 mph after it was removed???
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the splined fan has a metal washer thats molded into the plastic fan on the outside.
Thats like mine then,i dont have a washer apart from the one molded into the plastic fan? :-\
Just wondering now if i di have one but maybe i forgot to refit it sometime in the past ???
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Excuse us KWFI... Can't you see the facts don't matter? It's a cdi war going on. Git um Slinger!!!!!!!!!
Just kidding you KWFI. We are ALWAYS glad to see positive results... Now back to the war!
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LOL....so true, now back to our regulator program.... ;D
I took out the OEM CDI and replaced it with a Race CDI and grained another 3-5 mph so the OEM CDI must be restricted....
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...all oem 50cc kymco scooters have a washer there streido...
...kwfi, i'm sorry...but it just isnt possible that removing that washer increased your performance...
...to change the variators drive ratio, you must change something that affects how close the two drive face halves can come together...removing the washer from th OUTSIDE of the drive face does nothing to change that.....
...love you bro, but itsa true story....
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next time I open it up I'll put the washer back on and see.....
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Smaller not sure, but there are new EPA regulations so you have to have specialized tools to adjust the carburetor.
Use a small LEFT hand twist drill bit to remove the screws. They will spin right out as soon as the bit bites, and replace them with standard screw sets. It's just as easy as before except for buying a new drill bit.
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Nope i dont have that and never did :-\
All i have is the nut that goes onto the crank to hold on the variator, no washer on mine but i do have a metal washer thats molded into the plastic fan on the outside. If def wont come off mine as its part of the fan itself. Mine sits flush anyway so i guess it makes no difference on my 2008 model.
Put that washer back on. It holds the var from spinning off the nut and Nothing more... The 3mph is in your "but Dyno", not the washer.
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under the nut that holds the varator on there was a rather thick washer
..ummm...removing that washer will do nothing to change the geometry of the variator...and will not affect performance in any way...
...the purpose of that washer is to give the nut a hardened seat to tighten against, as opposed to seating against the splined fan retainer.
..i suggest puttng it back!!!!!
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