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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: OregonDad on April 16, 2012, 01:25:55 AM
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My son just came in asking for more gas. I topped it off again with the rest of the 92 octane no-ethanol gas I purchased for our lawn mower. That makes a total of two gallons he has gone through in 132.5km which figures out to only 41.4mpg. The only mod we made so far was notching the cdi. Could this poor mileage be due to the restricted boss keeping the scoot in a higher gear constantly?
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The techies will follow with more info but if the scoots is being ridden WOT all the time, you're going to take a hit. What year? How many miles on your scooter? This may help provide more precise answers. I know when I was a teenager I beat the hell out of anything with an engine, so that would remove a load of potential mpg's! ;D
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You should be getting 80-100 mpg . Look for a leak . Good luck .
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2008 USA Kymco Agility 50, stock except for cdi cut. We started with 6060km on the odometer. Driven by an 180 pound 16 year old around town in stop and go traffic with some hills. There is no smell of gas at all from the scoot.
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...wowww...if you did the cdi, you must do the boss!!!
..it will cause engine to rev higher, and not be able to transfer the generated horsepower to th road...
..not as bad of a detrimental effect onna 4t, short-term, as opposed to a 2t...but it will cause premature belt, clutch....cvt wear...
..i got pics of my experience here..
"http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=6133.15"
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...restricted, my 08 a50 got somewhere @ 90 mpg...
..derestricted, closer to 60...
..once she got broke in good, and i started modding, i'd be lucky to get 40...
..around 50mpg is not un-heard of onna slightly modded 08...
..are there any #s printed on the top of your scoot's carb??
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Haven't had time to do any mods except the simple one. Still deciding which 1500rpm contra spring to buy. I will make time to get the boss and weights changed next weekend.
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..the boss is first...gotta get that...it alows the variator to push your belt out further, thus taking advantage of the derestricted cdi's higher rpm allowance...
..those two mods should be as one....
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..the boss is first...gotta get that...it alows the variator to push your belt out further, thus taking advantage of the derestricted cdi's higher rpm allowance...
..those two mods should be as one....
Damn, I posted about it at least twice and nobody raised an alarm:
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=5745.msg56316#msg56316 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=5745.msg56316#msg56316)
Plans... notch the cdi at the beginning of summer and replace the drive boss near the end of summer.
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=5745.msg60898#msg60898 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=5745.msg60898#msg60898)
Since getting the bike we have: replaced the mirrors with City style ones off eBay (thanks Streido), replaced the headlight bulb, notched the CDI and changed the oil.
Sitting in front of me I have the smooth variator boss, the 82 jet and 5.5gram roller weights (thanks Exe). Waiting for my electric impact driver to get here from Harbor Freight to tackle the CVT mods.
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...hmmm..guessed i missed thems...
:-\
...usually, its because i'm too busy typing dots.....
:o
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I like dots... And ~squiggles~
Your kid is using the throttle as an on off switch. Do the boss, and all is well again...
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You should be getting 80-100 mpg . Look for a leak . Good luck .
The leak is in dad's wallet! Lol!
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I forgot to add I'm getting 80+mpg on a 50mm kit. Stock pipe, and 20mm carb.
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Dude, you should get 117 mpg (50 km/l) if derestricted, and drive well over 200 km on a full tank. :) I've got carburator problems and funny noises from the motor, and i get 101 mpg (44 km/l). This is what you should get when derestricted, and then if you drive nice and keep your rpm low, 129 mpg (55 km/l) is achievable. :D
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Is he holding the throttle fully open if so he is just fighting the restrictor in the variator, my scoot is still fully restricted and unless im going up hill i never need the throttle open more than halfway and im 80kg and im getting over 100mpg also have you checked his tire pressure under inflation can effect mpg heavily i like my tires pumped up hard to make them nice and round 35psi front 40psi rear. Another thing to check is that the choke is not stuck on and the airfilter is not clogged....
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Is he holding the throttle fully open if so he is just fighting the restrictor in the variator, my scoot is still fully restricted and unless im going up hill i never need the throttle open more than halfway and im 80kg and im getting over 100mpg also have you checked his tire pressure under inflation can effect mpg heavily i like my tires pumped up hard to make them nice and round 35psi front 40psi rear. Another thing to check is that the choke is not stuck on and the airfilter is not clogged....
If the air filter is clogged, a Phillips vaacum cleaner will do the job ;)
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OD part of your problem is the ethanol. I wouldn't run that in anything, power and mpg will suffer and it will kill your engine over time. I use only Shell V-Power 93 octane. Also put a few ounces of Seafoam in the tank to clean the fuel system and carb.
I've checked my mpg twice in the last year. The first time I got 99 mpg, and the second I got 140 mpg. Th 140 mpg was after switching to Royal Purple, installing a new plug and being a little more gentle on the throttle.
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We only use 92 octane non-ethanol gas. My kid says he does not go WOT because 3/4 and full open give the same speed. I think the air filter is original with 6193km on it. If I use a sheet of filter foam in the air box instead of the replacement plastic/paper filter, will I need to increase the jet higher than 82?
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We only use 92 octane non-ethanol gas. My kid says he does not go WOT because 3/4 and full open give the same speed. I think the air filter is original with 6193km on it. If I use a sheet of filter foam in the air box instead of the replacement plastic/paper filter, will I need to increase the jet higher than 82?
Even though ethanol burns with less power than gasoline, it is added to almost all fuel from gas stations (at least in Denmark), which is also why you dont need carburator liquid to prevent ice in the carburator. :) In Denmark, they put 5% ethanol in all fuel :p
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Dad... Do you mean foam like in Air Conditioner foam? If so dont do it. It will stop birds, and crickets but it will allow all types of debris thru. You will wind up slowly sand blasting your cylinder. Try partsforscooters.com.
After you get the filter sorted out add sea foam for 2 tanks of fuel to wash out the ring grooves, and valve stems.
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I mean an air filter like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kymco-Agility-50-KG10SA-2005-2008-Air-Filter-/150763463184?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item231a33e210 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kymco-Agility-50-KG10SA-2005-2008-Air-Filter-/150763463184?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item231a33e210)
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Unknown to me. I wouldn't use it cause it looks like ac foam. If you have any extra try shaking some sand thru it. If fine sand gets thru...
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Ok so this http://www.partsforscooters.com/Foam_airfilter_qmb139?sc=9&category=127915 (http://www.partsforscooters.com/Foam_airfilter_qmb139?sc=9&category=127915) is no good?
It is so damn hard to find the correct parts.
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That is the same as in the gy6 OEM air boxes. It is thicker, and a different compound. If you pour acetone (nail polish remover) on either one it should stay the same size. If it swells it is just styrene foam, and will fall apart from the heat, and suck into the engine. I would much prefer the second one you found simply because it is thicker, and has a better chance of holding debris.
Test a corner with acetone to be sure it is not a cheap copy.
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Just to throw my comment in..........
I fill up my tank usually once a week and that gets me to and from work all week, 20 mile round trip/day. By the end kf the week i have an emlty tank, sometimes i even need to fill up on a Thursday.
So at best i get about 100miles per tank.
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...i fill up pretty much every day...35 mile round trip for work, plus any other riding i do after....
..it's @ gallon a day easy...
..that's on my 50cc s9....
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Just to say i do know how to spell EMPTY properly btw, this phone keyboard is just too small.
Or my thumbs are too fat. :-\
Yeah, once summer comes in here i expect to do a lot more riding in my freetime.
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The UK has to suck for scoots. Must be like Seattle here. Avg 200 day of overcast or rain per year. We get about 60 in the Fl Panhandle
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The UK has to suck for scoots. Must be like Seattle here.
What's wrong with Seattle? Born and raised there...can't wait to get back, only 2-3 more weeks! ;D
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Once you get back it'll be just fine... It's a great spot for Hippies too. They Never have to bathe.
Naw... My Dad lives there. He's an ass.
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Once you get back it'll be just fine... It's a great spot for Hippies too. They Never have to bathe.
Naw... My Dad lives there. He's an ass.
I got ya! ;)
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If you happen to run across an old dude looking like he knows something no one else does, and is smoking Kent cigarette's... Kick his F'n ass for me. Tell him Ken sent ya!
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I dont recognise the institution of the "UK" since we are not united in any way, we all, Scots, Welsh, Irish, English, disagree over everything! I only use the word cos im lazy and cant be bothered explaining on F.B and other forums why Scotland is NOT part of England to to foreigners or non europeans. Truth is there is no UK.
Anyway, SCOTLAND has pretty dire weather really most of the time. Its 50/50 if its going to be dry or wet each day, normally freezing from Sept/Oct - March/April and we normally get our summer sun quota sometime between May-Sept. I have to carry wet gear every day unless its the height of "summer".
Oh and when i say sun, that doesnt mean like real proper sun like what everyone else seems to get, no, our "sun" seems to be a tad shy and runs off as soon as you look at it.
Saying that we do normally get good snowboarding weather and have plenty of good ski resorts up north so it aint all bad. :D
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I dont recognise the institution of the "UK" since we are not united in any way, we all, Scots, Welsh, Irish, English, disagree over everything! I only use the word cos im lazy and cant be bothered explaining on F.B and other forums why Scotland is NOT part of England to to foreigners or non europeans. Truth is there is no UK.
Anyway, SCOTLAND has pretty dire weather really most of the time. Its 50/50 if its going to be dry or wet each day, normally freezing from Sept/Oct - March/April and we normally get our summer sun quota sometime between May-Sept. I have to carry wet gear every day unless its the height of "summer".
Oh and when i say sun, that doesnt mean like real proper sun like what everyone else seems to get, no, our "sun" seems to be a tad shy and runs off as soon as you look at it.
Saying that we do normally get good snowboarding weather and have plenty of good ski resorts up north so it aint all bad. :D
If you cut away the snowboarding weather, it sounds alot like Denmark xD
But yeah, the only way it is united is from the ancient kings an queens invading and concurring their nearby countries, isn't that right? ;)
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If you were to DNA test us Scots you would find a lot of us have a lot of Viking blood in us too, especially those of us living in our northern Isles. In fact i would bet we probably have more in common with Scandanavian countries than we do with England.
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If you were to DNA test us Scots you would find a lot of us have a lot of Viking blood in us too, especially those of us living in our northern Isles. In fact i would bet we probably have more in common with Scandanavian countries than we do with England.
Yeah, as the vikings raided that area alot, and many settled. Thats also why Danish and English are so much alike.
For example, the english word Gate comes from the danish word Gade, which means a little street and the english word beef (and french beuf) comes from the danish word bøf, which means the same as the english word. :)
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If you were to DNA test us Scots you would find a lot of us have a lot of Viking blood in us too, especially those of us living in our northern Isles. In fact i would bet we probably have more in common with Scandanavian countries than we do with England.
I typed UK cause I was lazy. No offense Bro. Ireland is the same with the Viking ancestry. I can live with that.
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I typed UK cause I was lazy. No offense Bro. Ireland is the same with the Viking ancestry. I can live with that.
Nah, not offended at all, technically the UK still exists and Scotland is still part of it, at least until 2014. We are so far apart in our aims. Ideals and goals tho that England and Scotland that the union is straining at the seams. If you look at Scots priorities and the things which are important to us, then compare that to england, you will see it is like comparing black and white, both are colours but the are complety different.
I fully expect if we vote to go independent that Wales will follow and also the Irish will finally end the occupation in the north of THEIR country and re-unite the emerald isle as one irish nation, which is a loooooong time overdue.
Tiocfaidh ár lá my celtic brother.
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im not proper "english" "british" or anything else... im just human like anyone else. also on the MPG thingie i only have to fill up each week usually wednesday to wednesday but if i use 95 RON i will need to fill up sooner. i use higher octane like 97-99 most of the time, it tends to last longer.
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im not proper "english" "british" or anything else... im just human like anyone else.
I made you an honorary Scot? I thought we were invading Croatia next week? :D
From your "Fookin" dialect i assumed you were from round Newcastle/Sunderland area WK, which would make you practically Scottish anyway?
I agree tho, when asked my race i like to reply Human Race. Once we get our nation back we can forget about all this b.s, but 1st things 1st. I fonsider myself Scottish 1st, European 2nd and in no way British at all, the sight of that butchers apron union flag gets me in the mood for a fight, prob from all those years of growning up in Glasgow as a Glasgow Celtic fan and seeing the moronic Rangers fans wave them aloft whole singing God Save The Queen (of England). Surprised they could even hold the flag with their bloody knuckles all scraped from dragging along the ground as they walk! ;D
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I made you an honorary Scot? I thought we were invading Croatia next week? :D
dont worry i still hold that title and im still up for the invasion
From your "Fookin" dialect i assumed you were from round Newcastle/Sunderland area WK, which would make you practically Scottish anyway?
i was originaly born north london then me and my parents moved to norfolk when i was 11, been here ever since.
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Norfolk? Isnt that where Bernard Mathews and his turkeys came from? Bootiful! :D
Your kilts will be ready, i got them on order. :)
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Norfolk? Isnt that where Bernard Mathews and his turkeys came from? Bootiful! :D
it is indeed. my mum and step dad worked there for a week and couldnt hack it.
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Tiocfaidh ár lá my celtic brother. Let the invading begin...
If zombie Croait's chase us I'm tripping TS1
28 Weeks Later - Running from the infected (Benny Hill) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zRT-LvJUuQ#)
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I cant even remember the last time i saw Benny Hill lol, :D
Brilliant.
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I cant even remember the last time i saw Benny Hill lol, :D
Brilliant.
Maybe when Mr. Bean stepped in! lol!
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THE FUNNIEST Mr.Bean Moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_utzLojCIE#)
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Tire pressure was 25 psi front / 19 psi rear. I told him to fill them both up to 35psi.
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...wow, dad...that's way low...chengShin oem tires??
..35 is good, and check it often...
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Tire pressure was 25 psi front / 19 psi rear. I told him to fill them both up to 35psi.
WOW......I normally run 38 psi in mine....
I love Mr BEAN.... watched it again last night..
Just me and the hippie grass.... :D
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Oh yeah, to be on topic......
I got 177KMs my last several tanks.... per tank...
Comes to like 110 mpg??
jetted and open filter. ;)
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..i used a little less than one gallon today, 47 miles....
..50cc s9lc with 38pj, needle raised .025" and 117mj with a malossi filter..
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The 100 mpg mark is more in line with the scoot. There may still be another issue... Maybe the tire pressure alone. Do you still have it restricted on the drive boss? I forget.
If the cdi is cut, and the restricted boss is installed combined with low tires Yeah maybe...
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...kymmi runs 60 mpg on her best wind days....
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Do you still have it restricted on the drive boss? I forget.
If the cdi is cut, and the restricted boss is installed combined with low tires Yeah maybe
ME?... Clean boss...Un-restricted cdi
Multivar...malossi 5.1 rollers w/1000 white contra..1000 malossi flys
90mj...open filter...38psi in the tires
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Do you still have it restricted on the drive boss? I forget.
If the cdi is cut, and the restricted boss is installed combined with low tires Yeah maybe
ME?... Clean boss...Un-restricted cdi
Multivar...malossi 5.1 rollers w/1000 white contra..1000 malossi flys
90mj...open filter...38psi in the tires
..lmao!!
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Oh yeah... The last few tanks have been 87 octane... with sea foam..
The mpg do drop with 93 alot...I do not know ??? ???
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..lmao!!
MOM....
Wordslinger is laughing at me....
LMAO....
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Go to your rooms.