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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: zombie on March 26, 2012, 07:13:26 AM
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This link just fell in my lap. Thanks TS1. It shows clearly how regular gasoline leaves soot/carbon behind in larger amounts than Premium grades. Always spend more to get more.
Or spend less, and deal with it.
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Forgot the damn link...
Test burning of gasolines, ethanol and E40 (ТеÑÑ‚ бензинов, Ñтанола и Е40)
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I've been Hoodwinked! I DECLARE SHENNAGINS!!!
The link is on here in the Ethanol thread. I'll get it. More than one way to skin a cat!
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=5752.150 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=5752.150)
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... SHELL V-POWER ...
...it's all i use..cause it's tried and true...
...here we go!!!...
..i remember "lankeeyankee" spouting how we were full of sh** if we ran high-octane inna single-cylinder engine...oh well...
..i still do, and always will....
8)
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Me too, i always buy the best grade fuel. It only cost a few pence extra anyway per tank.
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What does "best grade" fuel mean and why is it better than "cheap regular bland" fuel?
I am not interested in words like "water, dirt and impurity". Also "tried and true" and "best grade" are more like subjective marketing fads/slogans than facts.
Can you give exact specifications to support these claims?
For example, here is a detailed catalogue of fuels produced by Croatian NOC, from petroleum to jet fuels.
http://www.google.hr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ina.hr%2Fuserdocsimages%2Fpdf%2FKatalog_goriva.pdf&ei=TX91T_HuBsHntQbW3rTDAw&usg=AFQjCNHImt4yL1dSSaBgv89C1PR2fjoDmQ&sig2=Ib206fwre3V-odsXDJnacg (http://www.google.hr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ina.hr%2Fuserdocsimages%2Fpdf%2FKatalog_goriva.pdf&ei=TX91T_HuBsHntQbW3rTDAw&usg=AFQjCNHImt4yL1dSSaBgv89C1PR2fjoDmQ&sig2=Ib206fwre3V-odsXDJnacg)
Abbreviated in English: http://www.ina.hr/default.aspx?id=307 (http://www.ina.hr/default.aspx?id=307)
None of the fuels are "better" or "worse" than others. They are simply conforming to specified norms and purposes, or not conforming.
So, you can read exact composition of each fuel and whether it suits your vehicle.
I would like to emphasize that scooter engines are simple enough to be run on "the simplest" of the fuels in the catalogue, lead free 95 octane.
That is the same fuel I use in my Euro V car.
I would like to think that in USA there is also a similar specification, so we can skip the witchcraft, wishful thinking where "more expensive = premium = desirable, heatlhy" and concentrate on pure facts.
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"Best grade" - highest octane is what i go for, and i normally avoid supermarket forecourt fuels if possible.
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"Best grade" - highest octane is what i go for, and i normally avoid supermarket forecourt fuels if possible.
Now we are getting somewhere.
This is better - you personally consider "best grade" fuel to be fuel with "highest octane number."
I also realize that for some personal reason you do not like "supermarket" fuels.
Two questions for you:
1. Do you agree or disagree with the fact that additional octane value of fuel above that specified by the vehicle manufacturer has no benefit at all?
I think that for most Kymcos that value is 91 or 95 RON.
We have not had fuels lower than 95 RON for a decade or so in my country.
2. Most fuels in certain area in USA and Europe (let's say, in a radius of few hundred kilometers) come from a single source/refinery and they are therefore of the same quality, regardless of the marketing, contract and brand under which they are sold.
Testing of fuels year in and year out in almost all car magazines shows that single most important factor in keeping fuels up to specs is how often gas pump tanks are being cleaned and maintained, where "supermarket" and large downstream retail companies are far superior to "mom and dad" gas pumps, where they do not adhere to such high standards. "Supermarket" gas pumps have strict tank cleaning and maintenance schedules.
Would you agree or disagree with these statements from point 2.?
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I do agree with both point,i take your word on the kymco figures cos i havent looked myself. I just feel my scoot runs better on the 97ron fuels. The reason i avoid supermarket stations is that i run a diesel car and have been told from at least 2 diesel mechanics that the suoermarket diesel is inferior in keeping my diesel running well in comparrison to the major oil stations. I dont know if this applies to petrol too but i just avoid them. I dont pass any on my usual routes anyhow to use them.
Im in Scotland, our basic fuel is 95ron, fuel+ is 97ron but some fuels offered can be 99ron. I stick with the 97.
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I do agree with both point,i take your word on the kymco figures cos i havent looked myself. I just feel my scoot runs better on the 97ron fuels. The reason i avoid supermarket stations is that i run a diesel car and have been told from at least 2 diesel mechanics that the suoermarket diesel is inferior in keeping my diesel running well in comparrison to the major oil stations. I dont know if this applies to petrol too but i just avoid them. I dont pass any on my usual routes anyhow to use them.
Im in Scotland, our basic fuel is 95ron, fuel+ is 97ron but some fuels offered can be 99ron. I stick with the 97.
We have here 95, 98 and 100.
Subjective/personal advice: the last people on earth to ask anything about things like these are mechanics. I've heard so much bs from them, it's incredible. You'd expect them to be "masters of the trade", but when you think of it, one thing is to possess technical knowledge and skills and completely another to understand mechanical engineering or chemistry. Add to that propensity of people to create "eternal" truths about cars (and sports... :)...
I was open minded and used 100 octane in my new car (1.4 16V VVT/109 hp) for a few tanks to track consumption/noises/power development and to be honest, there is zero difference to 95 octane fuel in any regard, so I have been using the cheapest 95 I can find ever since. Of course, most people will tell you to use more expensive fuel because expensive = "better" somehow. Even **MY** car mechanic told me that, however, in real life, I tend to say "yes, yes", because it's easier to do so.... :) :)
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I know exactly how much b.s mechanics can talk, my car was running badly and was examined twice by 2 different garages who both told me my turbo was leaking and needed replaced for £1200-£1500 :o
I almost sold the car since i didnt want to pay that price for a turbo but before i did someone recommended a local independent diesel specialist so i took it their for a 3rd opinion. After 1hr they called me to say the turbo was fine and the problem was down to a bad sensor and my egr valve being bunged up with soot. They fixed it for just over £100 and blanked off my egr valve. 2yrs later the car is still fine and so is my turbo.
I was told that supermarket diesel tends to bung up the egr valves and advised to try avoid it if poss. This guy seems to really know his stuff and didnt try scam or b.s me so i take his word on it. Granted its diesel not petrol we out in our scoots and bikes but im just into the habit of not using supermarket fuels. Tbh the cost isnt any less really if i factor in travelling to the supermarket rather than using my closer local station anyway, i get my groceries online and have them delivered.
Maybe its an urban myth or my imagination is fooling me but my scoot feels happier on the 97ron. Since it only cost me maybe around £25-£30 extra/yr to use the 97ron it wont break the bank, its only maybe 40p extra per tank.
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I know exactly how much b.s mechanics can talk, my car was running badly and was examined twice by 2 different garages who both told me my turbo was leaking and needed replaced for £1200-£1500 :o
I almost sold the car since i didnt want to pay that price for a turbo but before i did someone recommended a local independent diesel specialist so i took it their for a 3rd opinion. After 1hr they called me to say the turbo was fine and the problem was down to a bad sensor and my egr valve being bunged up with soot. They fixed it for just over £100 and blanked off my egr valve. 2yrs later the car is still fine and so is my turbo.
;D ;D ;) They almost screwed you over really nicely...
Btw. EGR recirculates exhaust air and mixes it with fresh air and rams it back into cyllinders to ensure more efficient combustion/eco standards.
Diesel "quality" has nothing to do with faulty EGRs. Trust me (I am not a mechanic!) :) :) :)
There are other things that might go wrong if diesel is not up to specs, especialy in the injection part of the system. Some systems are especially sensitive to low quality diesel and that's why you will never see many modern diesel cars in the most eastern parts of Europe/ and throughout Asia/Africa.
EGRs have to be inspected regularly and replaced. If the solenoid gets a bit rusty, it should be cleaned. If it gets stuck, it is time to replace it.
It is replaceable/serviceable part. :D
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Axy, you are quite right in what you say, but, the egr pumps sooty exhaust fumes back into the inlet manifold on a diesel. This evenually clogs up the inlet and turbo, replacing the egr will not clean those! The function of the egr is to reduce Nitrous Oxide ( causes acid rain) but it also reduces the efficiency of the engine resulting in more pollution overall! In my opinion it's a bad idea!
PS i always use cheapest fuel, tests have shown no advantaage in expesive fuel.
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This link just fell in my lap. Thanks TS1. It shows clearly how regular gasoline leaves soot/carbon behind in larger amounts than Premium grades. Always spend more to get more.
Or spend less, and deal with it.
I watched that video with the different fuels all burning via a wick and each giving off it’s pre-programmed amount of soot and I have to tell you, I haven’t seen anything that ridiculous in years.
It was like watching an Al Gore video. It is absolute nonsense…
Anyone that has ever lit an oil lantern knows that if the wick is turned up too high it will burn with a large yellow flame that gives off so much soot that it blocks the chimney in seconds.
Turn the wick down and you get a nice white light with no soot and a clear chimney.
AND THAT’S WITH THE EXACT SAME FUEL!!!
And I would not recommend that you try lighting any grade of gasoline with a wick. That’s asking for a trip to the burn clinic.
From my post on the Yager forum:
http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=5671.msg58381#msg58381 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=5671.msg58381#msg58381)
As to Axy’s comment that all gasoline supplied within a hundred klicks or so of a given refinery are probably all made at that refinery and are therefore the same he is partially correct.
Oil companies do trade production with each other, but they all have their own formulations. When making fuels for other companies the refinery will enter their formula and produce it to their specs – not that there’s much difference. They all just like to think that they have a secret… (The secret is that they don’t have any secrets… ::))
Buy and use the fuel that the engine manufacturer designed the engine to run on.
Paying more doesn’t always mean better and it might even run worse.
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Is this where I apply for membership to the Flat Earth Society?
Axy... That is the most sense I've heard from you lately. Going above the manufacturers Oct rating in most scoots is a waste. Except for the Mileage increase, and that can be as subjective as the whole topic with out Dyno proof. I'll look it up later
The idea of buying from a "grocery chain" is also a GOOD idea for the reasons Axy pointed out. They go thru more fuel so Phase Separation is not as big an issue, same for Stale gas. Not an issue at larger bulk retailers.
Even the VP of FES (flat earth Soc) Poots got it right with the air/fuel ratio creating soot.
The EGR workings are also spot on. They do indeed stuff bad things back into the combustion cycle, and result in poor fuel economy, and running problems.
I'm so proud I could cry...
On another thread it was posted that Kymco has started modifying their fuel system components with an E10 suffix for compatibility w/ Eth blend fuels. I even have a little tear for Kymco on that one. I guess they read the Ethanol/Rubber thread... Eh?
As for the FES... You can't handle the truth.
Gonna sleep like a baby tonight.
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Even the VP of FES (flat earth Soc) Poots got it right with the air/fuel ratio creating soot.
As for the FES... You can't handle the truth.
Gonna sleep like a baby tonight.
Act like a baby and sleep like one I suppose...
If you have any trouble falling off try counting your carbon credits.
Sweet dreams Zombie
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Nighty - nite Poots!
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Can you give exact specifications to support these claims?
..NO..BUT I'M SURE YOU CAN...
..i know, from years of experiments, as well as experience, that every one of my scoots run better...tank to tank, if i burn "premium unleaded" gasoline...
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I know that unicorn poop tastes just like cherry-vanilla ice cream!
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I know that unicorn poop tastes just like cherry-vanilla ice cream!
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Unicorns dont poop, thats why theyre so hard to track. ;D
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I do agree with both point,i take your word on the kymco figures cos i havent looked myself....Now we are getting somewhere.
This is better - you personally consider "best grade" fuel to be fuel with "highest octane number."
I also realize that for some personal reason you do not like "supermarket" fuels.
Two questions for you:
1. Do you agree or disagree with the fact that additional octane value of fuel above that specified by the vehicle manufacturer has no benefit at all?
I think that for most Kymcos that value is 91 or 95 RON.
We have not had fuels lower than 95 RON for a decade or so in my country.
Im in Scotland, our basic fuel is 95ron, fuel+ is 97ron but some fuels offered can be 99ron. I stick with the 97.
I have a quick question- if 95-97 ron (european designation) equates more or less to 91-93 aki (US designation), then isn't this the same fuel rating? ( I didn't look at the video because my sound card crapped out.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_V-Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_V-Power)
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95 RON = 90-91 AKI
97 RON = 92-93 AKI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating)
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There is much more to "fuel rating" than octane number.
That is the main online/forums fuel issue. Most people hear only about "more is better" and when they couple that with "I paid more for it, therefore it must be better", we have all sorts of bs on online forums when fuel quality is the topic.
There are dozens of parameters, additives and characteristics of fuels, other than octane number. Most of them can be seen in the catalogue of fuels I have posted, from purity, water content, burn energy, ethanol content to anti-knocking/lubrification/anti-freezing agents composition...
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Yeah, but there's no telling some people. I refuse to be this guy (http://xkcd.com/386/).
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Now your confusing the issue. In BASIC terms more is better... It's the things they leave in fuel that is at the center of the debate.
Lets say I tried to run a pure/clean fuel of 200 octane. It would NOT ignite with a scooter ignition system. So more is worse here.
Running 70 octane will ignite from the compression alone so it has uncontrollable characteristics that wont work in a scoot either.
The crux of MY belief/statements is: use the fuel that burns the CLEANEST, and is of an octane rating that gives the BEST performance, and leaves the LEAST residue. In the US we only have BAD, BETTER, and Not as good as I would like but ok.
Our 87 oct is for burning trash in the yard, or a stock scoot. Mid grade is fine for almost everything on the road. Hi test is the least I can run on without issues related to fuel. Since it works in my performance scoot I use it in EVERYTHING.
Also since I work on engines every day I sure don't want to go home, and work on one because of dirty fuel or Ethanol related problems.
I LOVE the Unicorn tracking bit!!!
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Well, if Snopes.com ever gets bored, they have a lot to work with, here. 'S'all I'm sayin'.
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I'll take a look at snopes to see what you meant. On a related issue... Anyone wanna buy some comic strips from me? I take Pay pal. Here's a sample link this guy Damn! That's not a link. I've been hoodwinked AGAIN! Double drat that evil Jpres. My new arch Nemesis. Now I have to hire a Captain...
Negotiations with Quint (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu5ElCl9pzA#noexternalembed)
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High octane to prevent detonation or knocking. If your engine stops detonation when using 90 octane , then that's the fuel for you. Anything higher will not result to better performance. Just more money spent. Higher compression engines need higher octane because they knock when lower octane is used and won't achieve maximum power.
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High octane to prevent detonation or knocking. If your engine stops detonation when using 90 octane , then that's the fuel for you. Anything higher will not result to better performance. Just more money spent. Higher compression engines need higher octane because they knock when lower octane is used and won't achieve maximum power.
That's the whole discussion in a nut shell. The only un addressed part is the residue left from lessor quality fuel. Here at least less octane is synonymous with lessor quality (more residue) overall. That may be what is creating controversy on such a simple topic. That being said I always recommend Hi test to avoid all the explaining what/why/blah blah blah.
Axy stated he tried using premium for three tanks, and saw no difference. Everyone I know that has tried it HAS seen a difference in mileage/performance. MUST be wWitches... That's the only logical explanation because all the Unicorns are owned by Bill Gates, and he wont share with us.
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You're right sir, and why do people blabber a lot on octane? Other factors that affect fuel performance include vapor pressure, specific gravity, oxidation stability, brand, etc., etc. For example, a premium high octane that has poor oxidation stability will leave gum in your system and will surely affect performance.
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High octane fuel is usually accomplished with much ETBE (prior: MTBE). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_tert-butyl_ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_tert-butyl_ether)
Ups, Ethanol again...
In Europe, fuel may contain up to 15% ETBE without declaration (as additional 5% Ethanol).
People who try to avoid our standard ROZ95 E10 fuel (10% Ethanol), get it through the backdoor with ROZ98 fuel, containing 5% Ethanol (undeclared) + 15% ETBE (undeclared), which is made to 44% from Bio-Ethanol (source: aral.de).
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MTBE was never an issue in engines. It burns clean, leaves no residue. The ISSUE was in Ground water from leaking fuel tanks. Apparently it never dissipates. It only dilutes. ETBE is more expensive so it is not used in the US. That comes full circle to the fact ... We in the US are being force fed a LESS than suitable fuel additive. Damage to our vehicles is of NO CONCERN to US fuel producers, we have NO choice. THAT is why I posted in the first place.
I for one would GLADLY pay an extra 2 dollars a gallon to have a CLEAN/Non damaging fuel blend. Just saying...
It's all about corporate GREED. No ones welfare is of any concern. Ask ANY mid eastern country how much the US cares about people more than oil profit. In fact the US presence in what ever hell hole we are in has nothing to do with stabilizing any Govt. In fact the opposite is true. By keeping NO active Govt. WE are free to RAPE entire countries. No matter what propaganda is spread we are not there to help them. It's all about OIL GREED> f***! ( not you, just a general angry f***)
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MTBE was never an issue in engines. It burns clean, leaves no residue. The ISSUE was in Ground water from leaking fuel tanks. Apparently it never dissipates. It only dilutes. ETBE is more expensive so it is not used in the US. That comes full circle to the fact ... We in the US are being force fed a LESS than suitable fuel additive. Damage to our vehicles is of NO CONCERN to US fuel producers, we have NO choice. THAT is why I posted in the first place.
I for one would GLADLY pay an extra 2 dollars a gallon to have a CLEAN/Non damaging fuel blend. Just saying...
It's all about corporate GREED. No ones welfare is of any concern. Ask ANY mid eastern country how much the US cares about people more than oil profit. In fact the US presence in what ever hell hole we are in has nothing to do with stabilizing any Govt. In fact the opposite is true. By keeping NO active Govt. WE are free to RAPE entire countries. No matter what propaganda is spread we are not there to help them. It's all about OIL GREED> f***! ( not you, just a general angry f***)
You mean to tell me that we just 'finished' a 10 year war for oil company profits? Good ol' George Bush. No wonder he's been keeping such a low profile.
BTW-Which country is next? ???
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Zombie for president :)
BTW-Which country is next?
Iran seems to be shaping up nicely for an illegal invasion, as do several parts of Africa now, in fact it could be anywhere that oil is coming out of the ground. Well apart from Saudi, your president is willing to let Saudis fly planes into big buildings in New York then he goes and bombs Iraq ??? Go figure that out :-\
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You mean to tell me that we just 'finished' a 10 year war for oil company profits? Good ol' George Bush. No wonder he's been keeping such a low profile.
BTW-Which country is next? ???
I believe Syria has been going on for a year now and Iran has been in preparation for a long, long time.
Stars - US military bases
(http://thesinosaudiblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/iran-map.jpg)
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See that map Axy put up? There is an exact copy in the oval office. They throw little bomb shaped darts at it. None of them really know what the names of those little shi* holes are either.
What KILLS ME ALL DAY EVERY DAY is How F'n stupid are we? A country FULL of stupid ass red neck F*cks that don't know how to raise kids, care for their neighbors, or even give a crap about MILLIONS of MURDERED people. The ENTIRE world is mutilating each other for NOTHING. And to top it of WE make up lies to tell OURSELVES. This is a thread I have dreaded. I will type until I die on these subjects. I am resolute in my opinion here. The NICEST man on earth could become president of the US, and they will convince him to murder on a daily basis, and lie to his own family about it. IF I were Pres. I would set up a field trip of the ENTIRE US govt. all the way down to the senate. Tell them we are going on a oil seeking quest (Just like the Crusaders) and when I get them to the Mid east . BLOW THE WHOLE f***ER OFF THE GLOBE. OIL AND ALL. Sorry for all the innocent people that just want a normal life but if they had any smarts they would be the f*** out of there by now. This is an INSANE reality we live in, and it is only getting worse by the minute. I want to show you all something. It's a response to my craigs list add for my scoot.
Hey,
Thank you for getting back to me. Can you assure me that it's in good state and that i will not be disappointed with it.I'm ready to pay your asking price and to be honest, i wanted to buy this for my friend as a surprise promise Gift.I am in a currently stationed at Fort Indiantown Gap National Guard Training Center. We are getting ready for Afghanistan. We are in the final stage of our training and we are not allowed to use the phone during this period. This is supposed to keep us focused on our trainings. I am only allowed to check my email twice a day. I hope you can
understand that we will have to stick to email for now. because at the moment as i don't have access to my bank account online(i don't have internet banking with it)so my only quickest payment option is PayPal as i can send money via PayPal anytime.Since I'm requesting this transaction to be done via PayPal, i will be responsible for all the paypal fee/charges on this transaction and if you don't have an account with paypal, its pretty easy, safe and secured because they are going to act as a natural party between our transaction open one. Just log on to www.paypal.com (http://www.paypal.com).I hope we can make the purchase as fast as possible? I have a mover that will come for it once payment clears and they will take care of every necessary paper for me. So i look forward to hear from you soon. will like to see more pics.
I will need the below information in other to transfer the fund into your paypal account
Paypal name :
Paypal email account :
Your location :
And your phone number:
l will be waiting for your reply asap
Hi BUDDY, You should be ashamed of your f***ing self. Using potentially dead US citizens as you ploy to steal from people. What a worthless piece of sh** it takes to raise a child like you. I am amazed your parents were able to breed with the apparent stupidity they instilled in you. If you survive your life without being horribly mutilated in an "accident" I will have no faith in God what so ever.
Ps BUDDY. You are "chatting" with a retired Marine. f*** off and die. Semper FI
On another ps... I have the IP you are using, and I promise this is NOT the last you will hear of your feeble attempt at Grand Larceny. Sleep tite. The Fl. Attorney Generals office is getting a copy of this "transaction"
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WORTHLESS PIECE OF sh**! Sorry for the language guys/gals. I am overwhelmed inside by the crap we are forced to deal with. It gets worse when I see everyone going about life like nothing is going on.
My one heart felt wish would be ANYONE that spits out a lie DIES INSTANTLY! A few thousand of those, and I think the world would become the Utopia we alll really want.
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Like i said, Zombie for president :D
I'd vote for you....................... if i was American.
Soon as they get that chinese magnetic motor thingie all worked out we can all stop fighting stupid wars over oil supplies, and instead invade nations for their magnets ::)
Unless we can get the puppets out and move the Zombie in, the US is f@#ked.
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See that map Axy put up? There is an exact copy in the oval office. They throw little bomb shaped darts at it. None of them really know what the names of those little shi* holes are either.
What KILLS ME ALL DAY EVERY DAY is How F'n stupid are we? A country FULL of stupid ass red neck F*cks that don't know how to raise kids, care for their neighbors, or even give a crap about MILLIONS of MURDERED people. The ENTIRE world is mutilating each other for NOTHING. And to top it of WE make up lies to tell OURSELVES. This is a thread I have dreaded. I will type until I die on these subjects. I am resolute in my opinion here. The NICEST man on earth could become president of the US, and they will convince him to murder on a daily basis, and lie to his own family about it. IF I were Pres. I would set up a field trip of the ENTIRE US govt. all the way down to the senate. Tell them we are going on a oil seeking quest (Just like the Crusaders) and when I get them to the Mid east . BLOW THE WHOLE f***ER OFF THE GLOBE. OIL AND ALL. Sorry for all the innocent people that just want a normal life but if they had any smarts they would be the f*** out of there by now. This is an INSANE reality we live in, and it is only getting worse by the minute. I want to show you all something. It's a response to my craigs list add for my scoot.
While I like politics subjects and think that current situation in the world is quite "interesting", perhaps it would be good to open a new topic, for example, "Global issues" under General Discussion. I would be willing to contribute, but would also like to preserve this topic for fuel-related issues.
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See that map Axy put up? There is an exact copy in the oval office. They throw little bomb shaped darts at it. None of them really know what the names of those little shi* holes are either.
What KILLS ME ALL DAY EVERY DAY is How F'n stupid are we? A country FULL of stupid ass red neck F*cks that don't know how to raise kids, care for their neighbors, or even give a crap about MILLIONS of MURDERED people. The ENTIRE world is mutilating each other for NOTHING. And to top it of WE make up lies to tell OURSELVES. This is a thread I have dreaded. I will type until I die on these subjects. I am resolute in my opinion here. The NICEST man on earth could become president of the US, and they will convince him to murder on a daily basis, and lie to his own family about it. IF I were Pres. I would set up a field trip of the ENTIRE US govt. all the way down to the senate. Tell them we are going on a oil seeking quest (Just like the Crusaders) and when I get them to the Mid east . BLOW THE WHOLE f***ER OFF THE GLOBE. OIL AND ALL. Sorry for all the innocent people that just want a normal life but if they had any smarts they would be the f*** out of there by now. This is an INSANE reality we live in, and it is only getting worse by the minute. I want to show you all something. It's a response to my craigs list add for my scoot.
This is why a lot of people (except Americans) celebrated and partied after the 9/11 incident. Americans got the message that they are not indestructible after all, as Hollywood depicts. This is reality fighting reality! Of course, the Americans still had the upper hand in propaganda because they have all the mass media tools in telling the world all the lies. It's just a cowboy and indian movie...the indians always die...aaah Hollywood and politics, same banana!
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Axy...Vivo... I couldn't agree more!
Sterido... "Well apart from Saudi, your president is willing to let Saudis fly planes into big buildings in New York then he goes and bombs Iraq"
Sounds to me like you may know a little something we don't! Got anything you wanna tell us?
Just for closure I have to say I really do have a heart, and DO care about all the innocents involved in this sh** mess we call "globalisation". It's just sometimes I would like to dig up and zombify some of our world shapers/leaders just so I could kill them again, and again, and............
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Ps.... In reading the exploding LIARS... I think that may be the best idea I've ever had/heard! Jus' sayin'
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Thank you VERY MUCH Munks. I am a bit of a ocd type, and I have traced his address to the server he used. That was given to Google (as it is their email), and the Atty Gens. office in Fl. as well as Pay Pal. The F'er will burn... Maybe not in this life but...He will burn
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They don't give a F'. Their response is always the same..."We are very sorry for any inconvenience you may have experienced. However our liability waiver is very clear in as much as Craigs List, and our partners are NOT responsible for any transactions whether directly or indirectly occurring as a result of using our listing services" Blah Blah Blah
The service is a sham. It opens you up to unknown intruders on EVERY POSTING.
It's really about re selling IP's to advertisers. TRY this... Post a thread selling a washing machine. Within 2 weeks your browser will be FULL of adds for washing machines. If you go to your favorite sites the panels or columns on the sides will be full of adds for whatever you posted. TRY IT.
There are 2 programs I use to prevent these intruders. Peer Block, and Snoop Free.
If you are gullible you are doomed from posting there. I took a day off work to wait for a woman coming to "buy" the scoot. She "emailed" me from her phone telling me she just had a wreck and would be delayed... 2 hours later she again Emailed, her van needs a new front end, and she cannot buy the scoot today. THEN she proceeded to tell me how her FANTASTIC paying job will allow her to buy it next week, and If I wanted in on this FANTASTIC paying job to give her my bank card number so she could deposit the scoot money, and she would be right over to give me the details on the job. Her ip/server location was also forwarded to the same authorities
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Sterido... "Well apart from Saudi, your president is willing to let Saudis fly planes into big buildings in New York then he goes and bombs Iraq" Sounds to me like you may know a little something we don't! Got anything you wanna tell us?
15 out of the 19 hijackers where Saudi's, none where Iraqi, yet your president bombs Iraq and sends kisses and the Bin Laden Family to Saudi ??? . Go figure ::) http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/16/bush-admits-majority-of-911-hijackers-were-saudis/ (http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/16/bush-admits-majority-of-911-hijackers-were-saudis/)
Sorry axy, know you said keep it fuel related but i had to reply to zombie so its all his fault. As usual.
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15 out of the 19 hijackers where Saudi's, none where Iraqi, yet your president bombs Iraq and sends kisses and the Bin Laden Family to Saudi ??? . Go figure ::) http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/16/bush-admits-majority-of-911-hijackers-were-saudis/ (http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/16/bush-admits-majority-of-911-hijackers-were-saudis/)
Sorry axy, know you said keep it fuel related but i had to reply to zombie so its all his fault. As usual.
I am not forum moderator. However, i will open now general politics thread, so we can keep scoot threads clean.
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Hey Munks... Didn't you hear what Axy just said...
Jeeez. It's like a Kindergarten up in here! And yeah, It's Always my fault. Sooo tired of being that guy.
A politics thread is a GREAT idea tho. We can all debate on who to blow up next. I LOVE it. As long as you guys don't use the names of people in politics cause Santa, and Satan are the only two leaders I know. Just don't know if the North pole is considered a country in real life. Hell is somewhere near New Jersey tho. Jersey's a real country right?
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..where'd thisn go......
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Slinger just got home from the bar!!! It's the dirty Eth talking...
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..happy hour starts early around here baby!!!
...shell v-power!!!
;D
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same, i use shell V-power or BP Ultimate. depending on what im closest to.
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...yup..
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Yo! White Boy! That's some creepy avatar dude! What movie is that from? >:(
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...bladerunner....
..cyborg sh**...
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Whats that pict in your avatar?
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..stripped-down, coupled together 08 / 09 a50...
..frankenguilty 1.0
...lol...
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Post up a full size!!! I think I'm in love.
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...not full, but bigger...
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..thats what she said, anyway...
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Need's a seat 8)
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That's what cheap regular gas does...
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It's time to end this thread.
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It's time to end this thread.
LOL
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More like time to end the name calling and bullying tactics used by certain members.
In cases like this it is always best to back up a claim with fact, opinons are just that, opinions and they are worth a dime a dozen. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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More like time to end the name calling and bullying tactics used by certain members.
In cases like this it is always best to back up a claim with fact, opinons are just that, opinions and they are worth a dime a dozen. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
i havnt seen any bullying tactics here sir ::) just friendly banter about fuel.
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Just a bunch of goof balls having a go is all. I hope no one gets offended by a few words in a fuel thread.
I still think cheap gas rotted the body off Slingers scoot.
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More like time to end the name calling and bullying tactics used by certain members.
In cases like this it is always best to back up a claim with fact, opinons are just that, opinions and they are worth a dime a dozen. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Ok, stick to your opinion, it's just a dime a dozen like you said. Peace!
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"More like time to end the name calling and bullying tactics used by certain members."
YO! WTF DUDE!
Van Damme - Kick boxer ( Final Fight ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs0vCPWXbe0#noexternalembed-ws)
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It's time to end this thread.
..i have that effect...
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It's time to end this thread.
..i have that effect...
Too many words have been slung.
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I just liked Van Damm Gay Boy kicking that Chinc's ass.
I know sorry.
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I just liked Van Damm Gay Boy kicking that Chinc's ass.
Huh!! WTF?!?! Have you got a youchube link for that. should be amusing ;D
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Sorry no... I do have some Santa/Reindeer snuff flicks tho.
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Gay Gangster are fighting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVUKbIheXhc#)
Here it is... Not the Santa one. It's too hard core
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The Night That Santa Killed Rudolph (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ6leLbqGtU#)
You talked me into it
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Gay gagsters and a psyco santa..... how do you find this stuff
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....lmfao.... youchube.....
:D ;D :D
.....lmmfao.......
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I have a electro shocked monkey find it all. The Manatee's kept dying... They couldn't type fast enough anyway, what with those ridiculous flippers, and all.
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Monkeys are way cool. Remember to teach em to smoke too.
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I can't afford a monkey on my back! They'd be emailing me all day to bring home cigarettes, and beer. I just thought about my wife!
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I can't afford a monkey on my back! They'd be emailing me all day to bring home cigarettes, and beer. I just thought about my wife!
LMMFAO :D
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I just thought about my wife!
..ummm..aint she up here??...
sorry.....
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Yepper! With her convict boyfriend. They will be easy to spot. He is a dwarf Bruce Willis lookalike, and she is well... Someone that would go out with a convict dwarf! God bless him tho... I don't have to support any of her habits anymore. The bonus is when he kills her dead I get the Social Security.
Maybe too much info... How do I un type?
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..what happens in th forum, stays in th forum...
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WHEW! That was close!
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my lips, er, fingers are sealed.... :-X
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I'm not so sure about the fingers bit. Good thing we don't have "Smella Vision"
Smell My Finger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiRhPgJ8bdM#ws)