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General => Technical | How To => Topic started by: de-dee on March 22, 2012, 06:20:54 PM
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MOTOR CYCLE SHOP REFUSED TO PLUG TIRE , BECAUSE OF INSURANCE LIABILITY, ARE TIRES SAFE TO RIDE ON ,NO RACING, JUST HIGH WAY RIDING ,. 300I DOWNTOWN, PIRELLI DIABLO TIRES ABOUT 1000 KM. ON THEM,.600 MILES,.
RIDE SAFE, OTTAWA CANADA 15,000 KM. & SPRING HAS SPRUNG ,AMEN .
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You will get a lot of answers, I am sure.
It does depend upon a lot of parameters.
If the nail was in the sidewall: NOT GOOD
If it was the front Tire: Not as safe as if it were the rear tire
My DH plugged the rear tire on a Shadow 500 and had no problem with it.
He monitored the air pressure and IF he had seen any leakage, he would have installed a new tire.
But he never rode it on long highway trips.
On a scooter, where the tires are less expensive, a new tire may be the better answer.
"How much is your life worth?" is a common statement.
Scoot Safely,
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On a scooter, where the tires are less expensive, a new tire may be the better answer.
"How much is your life worth?" is a common statement.
Scoot Safely,
...this thread should die here...
;)
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CANT AFORD TO DIE !!! SO I ORDERED NEW TIRES, A LITTLE OVER 200.00 FOR 150/70 13 BALANCED & INSTALLED ,. THANKS FOR THE INFO. HAPPY DAYS TO ALL ,. RIDE SAFE, OH DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS THE WARN OUT MEASURE IS FOR THE BELT THE BOOK SAYS 25.2 MM. X 1004 MM. 30% MY BELT IS 1010MM. X 24MM IT HAS 15,000 KM. ON IT,. THANKS AGAIN , 300i DOWNTOWN 15 GRAM SLIDERS REV.S HIGHER THAN OTHER REPORTS ON FORUM , 7,000 RPM @110 KM. THANK YOU FOR ANY REPLY??
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CANT AFORD TO DIE !!! SO I ORDERED NEW TIRES, A LITTLE OVER 200.00 FOR 150/70 13 BALANCED & INSTALLED ,. THANKS FOR THE INFO. HAPPY DAYS TO ALL ,. RIDE SAFE, OH DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS THE WARN OUT MEASURE IS FOR THE BELT THE BOOK SAYS 25.2 MM. X 1004 MM. 30% MY BELT IS 1010MM. X 24MM IT HAS 15,000 KM. ON IT,. THANKS AGAIN , 300i DOWNTOWN 15 GRAM SLIDERS REV.S HIGHER THAN OTHER REPORTS ON FORUM , 7,000 RPM @110 KM. THANK YOU FOR ANY REPLY??
Usually it's no different than what the book says. ;D
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Why couldn't they put a patch on the inside?
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Why couldn't they put a patch on the inside?
..again...there you go!! 8)
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patch on the inside to me a good idea . they use to have hot patches that vulcanized into the tire, where can we find that in this replace it era,. :
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..can probly get a patch kit at your local auto parts gig...
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I have a plugged rear tire for almost a year now. "How much is my life worth?" If I want to be real safe, I'll use my car, drive at moderate speeds and avoid the freeways. Death comes like a thief in the night, you'll never know when... ;)
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I think most tire shops will do an inside vulcanized patch. My local mechanics' shop does it. But car tire shops may not be able to get your scooter wheel on their demounting device. Call around and ask. You might have to get the tire off yourself or pay a motorcycle shop to do so. Then go have it patched. Then pay to have it put back on. Depends on the prices of all that as to whether you'll come out cheaper than a new tire, though. One shop here charged me $10 to demount old and mount a new tire two years ago. This year it's $15.
Then you may want to add some balancing beads or similar since the patch may unbalance the tire.
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If you have plugged plenty of tires you can do it. The mechanic was just covering his liable arse. Very understandable. Is it worth the $10 they would make to take a risk in a possible lawsuit? Hell no!
If the hole is in the tread, plug it yourself. If it's your first pluging take it somewhere else. You'll find somebody that will do it. The tires not going to come apart because there's a plug in it. Worst case is it leaks a little. IMO to take the tire off the wheel you might as well put a new tire on.
You don't need a tire changer for these scooter tires. I put my rear tire on myself. Breaking the bead can be the hardest part. I used a C-clamp. Pull out the valve stem, break the beads using a C-clamp or drive over just the tire with a car, then use some tire spoons to work the tire off. If you're unfamiliar with the process of changing a tire I don't recommend trying this. You'll just get frustrated.
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Motorcycle tires have to be able to handle stresses and flex in ways that car tires do not. Car tires handle stress mostly front to back, and the tread is designed to handle that and keep the tire from flexing. Motorcycle tires take stresses front to back, and side to side - and they are made to allow flexing. Push on a new car tire at a shop and then push on a new motorcycle tire at a shop - they are not built the same way. If you plug it or patch it then it's a crap shoot for how long it will hold. That's not so bad - the worst problem is that the chance of catastrophic air loss (which will cause you to crash) goes WAY up. Basically you'll be leaned over in a corner and the carcass of the tire is going to rip and throw you and your ride down on the ground.
I carry plug/patch kits when on long rides - but they are only to get me home or to the nearest place I can get a new tire.
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Just ask yourself this : What are my chances of surviving a 55mph blowout in a car unharmed ? Now ask the same question on a 300i . I don't like the math . Good luck .
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You're right. Put a new tire on. Doesn't cost that much. Personally I might plug it. That's just me. It's not like these things are race bikes. Maybe if I had a bigger bike like you guys. I don't think the tire on my 50cc has a whole lot of stress on it.
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..ive plugged and ridden a rear tire...rear tire flat is wayy easier to recover safely at 50mph...
..front tire??..forget it...imma either have it patched or replaced...
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Google the name (ride on tire sealant). I have used this for years. It is much better than slime (the green stuff, in my oppinion). It does not dry out, damage metal, cleans up with water, non toxic, balances the tire (it really does-u will not believe how much smoother your bike is). Using ride on it is almost impossible to get a flat in the tread area. Seals instantly nail holes & such. Try it and u will be a believer for life. :-*
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..imma check that out!!
;D
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Bumping this for two reasons: 1. Tire plugs 2. Ride On sealant/balancer.
I have searched NTSB files and find that 2016 had 44000 crashes due to tires failing. Tire plugs of any kind not mentioned.
Sissy Mary mentioned Ride On a long time ago and I missed it!
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Bump again: check "tire plugs" on ADVrider.Com for a lively discussion on many successful aplications of "worms, sticky rope, sticky string, etc." that lasted for the life of the tire. Then proceed with caution.
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Here my answer, YES! I’ve done it on my big bike for another 1500 miles till the tire wore itself out.
BUT I WOILD HIGHLY RECOMMEND ISING A PATCH PLUG!!!!! That’s what I used. Tire has to come off for that but it’s much safer.
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I have plugged enough tires to learn a few things: the puncture must be from a nail, something round, or it will leak. Never plug the side wall. Best is putting a patch inside but I have had good luck with plugs. It's not as if the tire will fail, it may leak a little but you will catch it by checking the plug for leaking after riding on it a while.
Anyone out there have a bad experience with a plug?
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I have plugged enough tires to learn a few things: the puncture must be from a nail, something round, or it will leak. Never plug the side wall. Best is putting a patch inside but I have had good luck with plugs. It's not as if the tire will fail, it may leak a little but you will catch it by checking the plug for leaking after riding on it a while.
Anyone out there have a bad experience with a plug?
I have plugged a couple of tires with plugs from motorcycle plug kits. The first was a BMW plug kit and the second was a Dynaplug. Both leaked air. I have plugged multiple tires using the sticky string plugs that you can buy at Wally World or auto parts stores and never had any issues with them. I have plugged tires with the sticky strings and then rode them until they were worn out. All of these were rear tires. The sticky string work fine even if the hole is not round. I had a friend with a slash in his rear tire. I didn't think it could be plugged but a sticky string did the job. He replaced that tire after he got it home. I once put another 14,000 miles on a plugged rear tire on my 83 Yamaha Venture.
I once had a really big hole in a rear tire. It took two sticky strings to plug it but it got me home. I did not continue to ride on that tire.
My advice. Forget about those fancy motorcycle plug kits and buy a cheap plug kit from Wall Mart. The plugs installed from the inside would be even better but very few dealers will install one for you due to liability concerns. If you get a hole in a front tire I'd plug it but would replace the tire.
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I have plugged a couple of tires with plugs from motorcycle plug kits. The first was a BMW plug kit and the second was a Dynaplug. Both leaked air. I have plugged multiple tires using the sticky string plugs that you can buy at Wally World or auto parts stores and never had any issues with them. I have plugged tires with the sticky strings and then rode them until they were worn out. All of these were rear tires. The sticky string work fine even if the hole is not round. I had a friend with a slash in his rear tire. I didn't think it could be plugged but a sticky string did the job. He replaced that tire after he got it home. I once put another 14,000 miles on a plugged rear tire on my 83 Yamaha Venture.
I once had a really big hole in a rear tire. It took two sticky strings to plug it but it got me home. I did not continue to ride on that tire.
My advice. Forget about those fancy motorcycle plug kits and buy a cheap plug kit from Wall Mart. The plugs installed from the inside would be even better but very few dealers will install one for you due to liability concerns. If you get a hole in a front tire I'd plug it but would replace the tire.
It is this kind of nearly universal testimony that leads me to conclude that first, the US Tire Manufacturers Association (USTMA) has started a self-serving campaign to sell more tires and second, that the sticky worm, rope or string is probably as reliable a repair as you can find. Coming from Klaviator is valid because he probably rides more miles than anyone! There. I put in a plug for Klaviator! Oh, that's a pun! Oh, my head hurts....
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I have plugged a couple of tires with plugs from motorcycle plug kits. The first was a BMW plug kit and the second was a Dynaplug. Both leaked air. I have plugged multiple tires using the sticky string plugs that you can buy at Wally World or auto parts stores and never had any issues with them. I have plugged tires with the sticky strings and then rode them until they were worn out. All of these were rear tires. The sticky string work fine even if the hole is not round. I had a friend with a slash in his rear tire. I didn't think it could be plugged but a sticky string did the job. He replaced that tire after he got it home. I once put another 14,000 miles on a plugged rear tire on my 83 Yamaha Venture.
I once had a really big hole in a rear tire. It took two sticky strings to plug it but it got me home. I did not continue to ride on that tire.
My advice. Forget about those fancy motorcycle plug kits and buy a cheap plug kit from Wall Mart. The plugs installed from the inside would be even better but very few dealers will install one for you due to liability concerns. If you get a hole in a front tire I'd plug it but would replace the tire.
My experience is the same. 2 years ago I visited a Cycle Gear for the first time. Salesman convinced me to purchase the Dyna Plug. Tried it on my mower tire first. Leaked. It was a small hole caused by a rose bush thorn. Next was a small roofing nail in my Swing rear tire 3 months ago. Ok, the tire is different and the salesman did recommend it for motorcycle tires.. It leaked. Had also bought a Plug N Go kit on Amazon. Thought maybe the hole was too big for the Dyna Plug so tried the Plug and Go as I've had good luck with it on the car and mower tires. Leaked. Tried it 3 times. Stuck in the sticky worm and sealed. Next trip to Wally World, purchased another sticky worm kit to keep in the XC. So I have 2 sticky worm kits in plastic boxes and just take the Slime Compressor OR my bicycle mini pump(more work, but does work) on which ever ride I take. As a side note, funny (strange, not HaHa funny) thing is that ALL my flats have occurred in Alabama.
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Thanks for sharing, Klav and Clamp. I love my Slime compressor just for its name alone, but also because mine won't die after ten year's use.
I hope you learned your lesson, Clamp, you gotta stay outta Alabama.
I'm off to WalMart for some sticky string...
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So no one here has used a patch plug? I assure you it won’t leak and it seals it tight. Again, I had to remove the tire to do so but my rear tire cost me $300 so I if I was able to save it then I was going to. Those patch plugs come in different sizes.
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My top three vomitous arguments: How much is your life worth? How much is your head worth (when shopping for a helmet)? If it saves even one life it's worth it (a favorite of politicians).
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I keep a plug kit and a little "slime" air compressor in my glove box.
mostly just to help not get stranded. Ya know what they say.... an ounce of protection....