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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: quinnmallory on February 22, 2012, 04:20:33 AM
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I'm a bit rusty on some of my road etiquette, so perhaps someone can clue me in...
I'm in far right lane and going to turn right at signal. Car ahead of me signals to turn right as well. Car ahead of him (the first one at the stop light) is going straight but we are all stopped by a red light, so the head car forces us to wait until the light turns green so we can turn. Car in front of me has plenty of room on right between him and the curb, so instead of waiting, I squeeze by on the right between him and the curb and past the car at the head of the line and make my right turn on red. less than a minute later (I presume the light turned green seconds after I turned), the car who was in front of me, zooms up right behind me and rides my behind all the way until he finally turns. I presume he was mad at me for what he perceived as my cutting ahead of him. But he was stuck there, I wasn't!
Should I have waited behind him for the light to turn green just because he was turning right, too? Or was I okay to squeeze past him because I could?
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road rage killer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0iYIo2AIAE#)
In todays world why would you even have to ask... Um... I mean Yeah it's all good!
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I will try to get the "offending" drivers attention, and PERMISSION. If not... I wait with the herd!
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I did that one time downtown and a guy in a Mercedes turned his wheel to the right and closed the gap. Lol I just popped the curb and cut across the sidewalk. I know that was bad. I don't make a habit of it. Just kinda pissed me off at the time.
I think it just depends on where you are. Country roads or downtown. The speed limit is a big factor too. I'll do it downtown because I move a lot quicker than most traffic. Chances are they're not going to catch up to me. But if I'm turning on a country road with a higher speed limit I consider they're ego kicks in and they're gonna wanna pass me(scary) so I don't do it.
It's kind of a double standard. For example: If I'm waiting to make a left at a green light I'll move over to the left as far as possible so people behind me can go around. They don't complain then.
Again I think that's only okay in certain situations. Sometimes I'll wait in the middle of the lane for my safety. I'm just more visible that way.
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Sounds good. I don't generally do anything on purpose to tick drivers off, but if I see an opening I can take that a car can't, I'll usually take advantage of it within reason. For example, I'll lane split, because it's not against the law in this state, but my reason for doing it is because I feel exposed being the last vehicle in a line of stopped cars at a light with potential drivers coming up fast who might not stop.
As for my squeezing by on the right past a driver in front of me who's signalling to turn right, but can't because he can't get around the car at the head of the line, I won't squeeze by if it's tight; only if there's lots of room. And, normally I'd wait.
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"Chances are they're not going to catch up to me."
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~ 50cc People~
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Sounds good. I don't generally do anything on purpose to tick drivers off, but if I see an opening I can take that a car can't, I'll usually take advantage of it within reason. For example, I'll lane split, because it's not against the law in this state, but my reason for doing it is because I feel exposed being the last vehicle in a line of stopped cars at a light with potential drivers coming up
Agreed within reason
I know the feeling of people behind you not paying attention. You have to have a lot of brake control as to not brake really hard. On the other hand the person in front of you could slam on the brakes.
I drive home from school at about 8 or 9 o'clock and there is one left turn by my house where I'm always paying attention to the people behind me. I'll flash my brake lights a couple of times right before the turn to get their attention.
I just ordered a super bright LED brake light bulb that flashes 3 or 4 times when you first apply the brake. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042FRXJ0/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042FRXJ0/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details)
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Most people wouldn't like a scooter squeezing past them because they think they're just gonna be stuck behind it up the road. And with a lot of 50cc scooters that's true. My point is I'm long gone by the time they turn. I don't like to piss people off on a scooter either. Just dumb.
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Most people wouldn't like a scooter squeezing past them because they think they're just gonna be stuck behind it up the road. And with a lot of 50cc scooters that's true. My point is I'm long gone by the time they turn. I don't like to piss people off on a scooter either. Just dumb.
100% agree...
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I'm a bit rusty on some of my road etiquette, so perhaps someone can clue me in...
I'm in far right lane and going to turn right at signal. Car ahead of me signals to turn right as well. Car ahead of him (the first one at the stop light) is going straight but we are all stopped by a red light, so the head car forces us to wait until the light turns green so we can turn. Car in front of me has plenty of room on right between him and the curb, so instead of waiting, I squeeze by on the right between him and the curb and past the car at the head of the line and make my right turn on red. less than a minute later (I presume the light turned green seconds after I turned), the car who was in front of me, zooms up right behind me and rides my behind all the way until he finally turns. I presume he was mad at me for what he perceived as my cutting ahead of him. But he was stuck there, I wasn't!
Should I have waited behind him for the light to turn green just because he was turning right, too? Or was I okay to squeeze past him because I could?
1. Overtaking on the right side is FORBIDDEN by the law in most countries, unless the vehicle being overtaken is waiting stationary to turn LEFT. I have just checked law applicable in USA (Nevada, for example) and it is the same.
2. Most scooterists/motorcycle drivers do what you did, so do I. However, I know idiots who overtake me, usually with 50 cc scoots, from the right side WHILE we are driving. I have had that happen to me with cars too. This is quite incredible how careless and ignorant people are.
3. There are big risks associated with overtaking from the right side. Primary risk, especially during summer, are stupid people opening their door on the passenger side to vent the car, and people exiting the vehicle during vehicle being stopped at the red light. This happens often in urban areas.
4. Do not overtake long vehicles that are stationary at red lights unless you want to be pancaked. While turning they usually use all width of the lane, especially buses and long trailer trucks. It takes quite a few seconds to overtake them and green light may turn on anytime and if they start moving while you are beside them, you are fu**ed, meaning, mangled. Also, you are in the dead angle and cannot be seen.
Most of this is not riding etiquette, it is common sense.
I am least worried about the law and hurt egos of cagers left behind, I worry about my own ass getting to destination intact. If I am commuting, this usually involves also "in least time", so my driving style is a compromise between all these factors.
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Another problem might be the red light.
In Germany, Switzerland and many many other countries a red light urges to stop. No matter what you want to do _behind_ the red light (i.e. right turn).
Run a red light and you will be fined with a compulsory break from driving - in addition to €€€ and malus points on your driving record.
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here in the states its the law to just wait and turn at your time dont be in a hurry .You do wana get there alive dont you. when driveing take care of your self and watch out for others. I always say if you wana put others at risk you should stay of the road.
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Yepp. But I don't know where quinnmallory is located.
Perhaps he is from GB (drive left, pass right) and just joking. ;)
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Like Blue said, I try to stay alive without hurting others.
RichardL
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Most cage drivers in the U.S. are asleep at the wheel or distracted by something other than driving. I will take advantage of an opening to squeeze by when I can. The other day a cage was stopped at a stop sign, the driver was talking on her cell and just sitting there. I was turning right so I squeezed by and rode off. In this case I was not worried about pissing her off because she was being an inconsiderate idiot by talking on her cell and holding up traffic. I normally won't squeeze by if I'm on my 150 and going on to a high speed road where the cage will be passing me.
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I do sneak by in many cases. It may not be legal, but I try to use my best judgement.
It seems like a waste of fuel to wait in line, if you can safely scoot by. This will be my excuse to the officer anyway.
I am able to squeeze by on the right side of cars backed up in the parking garage where I park without trouble.
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I actually was pulled over for this maneuver! I was behind 1 car as we pulled up to a red light at a "T" intersection. I was going right, the car in front signaled left. With plenty of room on the right side, I pulled around and up to the stop line, I stopped and waited for another vehicle to cross the intersection and turned behind it. Unfortunately the car I went around was an unmarked cop car! :o They immediately aborted their left turn and lit me up. I was let off with a warning and informed that at no time is it legal to pass another vehicle on the right. This is the law in North Carolina...may be different elsewhere.
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Most cage drivers in the U.S. are asleep at the wheel or distracted by something other than driving. I will take advantage of an opening to squeeze by when I can. The other day a cage was stopped at a stop sign, the driver was talking on her cell and just sitting there. I was turning right so I squeezed by and rode off. In this case I was not worried about pissing her off because she was being an inconsiderate idiot by talking on her cell and holding up traffic. I normally won't squeeze by if I'm on my 150 and going on to a high speed road where the cage will be passing me.
Dont ya love cell phones and girls puting makeup on while they are driveing. with the way the world is right now just watch out for your self and drive smart and safe. Dont take chances. You might come across a time wear you say to your self .(WHY DID I DO THAT)
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I'll take your word for it Shaka but think about this. If your in a car with 1 car in front of you. Your both waiting at a red light and the guy in front of you is clearly going straight. It's common practice(if there is enough room) to pull to the right of them, stop, make sure no traffic is coming, and make the turn. Is that illegal? I've done that with a cop behind me and they do the same thing.
I Guess the problem lies when there are multiple cars in front of you and you don't know who's going straight or left and who is making a right. If they don't put on a signal I assume they're going straight.
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I'll take your word for it Shaka but think about this. If your in a car with 1 car in front of you. Your both waiting at a red light and the guy in front of you is clearly going straight. It's common practice(if there is enough room) to pull to the right of them, stop, make sure no traffic is coming, and make the turn. Is that illegal? I've done that with a cop behind me and they do the same thing.
Actually, the scenario you have described seems to be illegal in EU and USA.
In both (btw. what are those, countries?!? :) ) of them, it is legal to do that ONLY if the guy in front of you is turning LEFT, not if he is going straight or turning right.
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" Unfortunately the car I went around was an unmarked cop car!"
Only you Shaka... only u~
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" Unfortunately the car I went around was an unmarked cop car!"
Only you Shaka... only u~
I know...tell me about it!
Even though I now know it is illegal...I still do it on occasion. I figure it's one of the perks of riding a scoot. Just gotta keep an eye out for the bacon.
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Where's that Rodney King spirit! There it is...
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Cops lie. I've been pulled on several occasions for spinning tires(front wheel drive is easy to do). My lawyer told me it's not against the law and they had no right to pull me or search my car. Wreckless driving is against the law. If they have video of you fishtailing all over the place that's kinda hard to defend.
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Illegal to pass on the right on a 2 lane road? Absolutely. I never argued that.
I've never been pulled for going to the right of 1 car going straight, or left, in my life. And I'll continue to do it til I am told otherwise by a lawyer. I love how this bloated European is trying to tell me the laws in my country.
Now if there are multiple cars in front of me with no right turn signal on, I'll use my best judgement as well as look over my shoulder for bacon.
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have pations and never assume.cars and trucks are bigger then us it all comes down to safe rideing.
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I'm not just talking about riding scooters anymore. I'm talking about a work truck and trailer. If I'm okay doing it in that you're damn straight the same "etiquette" applies to riding a scooter. After all "etiquette" is the topic not the law. You don't just fly past people. Do it slowly. Make sure they know you're there.
Don't worry I'm done
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Specifically, I was on a two way street that has three lanes in each direction. My particular move was to move past the second car in line who was signaling to go right, but who was blocked from doing so because of the car going straight at the head of the line. Because I was smaller and able to fit between the cars and the curb, I slipped past and turned right. Normally here, it isn't against the law to turn right on a red while passing a car at the head of the line waiting to go straight as long as there is room to do so safely. I guess my concern was that by bypassing another vehicle waiting to turn right simply because I was able to do so while he was stuck broke some sort of etiquette rule or something...
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Normally here, it isn't against the law to turn right on a red while passing a car at the head of the line waiting to go straight as long as there is room to do so safely.
Need I say more?
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All I have to say is that normally you don't get pulled for it here either....however.... I have!!!!!
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Cops lie. I've been pulled on several occasions for spinning tires(front wheel drive is easy to do). My lawyer told me it's not against the law
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Against the law in my country. Both sudden acceleration AND sudden braking with no reason. The fine is around 60 EUR.
We even have the fine for "sudden change of driving style" or "sudden change of driving pattern".
The same throughout Europe.
I would double check what your lawyer said in penal code of your state.
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We have reckless/careless driving which for all intents and purposes is the same thing. It is mostly at the officer’s discretion, but he still must explain it. Heavy variable (>$100) fine plus suspension.
Richard L.
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Go to Modern Buddy or Modern Vespa forums and look for 100 scooter crashes video. It is 100 motorcycle crashes on youtube, riding in Asia. It highlights some of what y'all are talking about. Shows what can happen. Road rage sucks but most of it is unjustified like the car jerks that cannot stand to see two wheels get around or ahead of their four......
Karl
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In North Carolina, it IS illegal to pass a vehicle that is stopped in the right hand lane, on the right hand side of the road.
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I would double check what your lawyer said in penal code of your state.
Really? Why does everything have to be an argument with you. The law could be different now. It's not the point. The point is cops will lie.
You guys hear about this motorcycle cop that ran into the back of a BMW convertible. He was tailgating the guy and blasted his siren. The poor guy naturally hit his brakes and the cop landed in his back seat. Hahaa, see the picture. Doesn't say in this report but apparently the cop had been on duty for like 12 or 14 hours(well over the limit) and they're charging the guy with assault with a deadly weapon.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8143768 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8143768)
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Really? Why does everything have to be an argument with you. The law could be different now. It's not the point. The point is cops will lie.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8143768 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8143768)
Can't help with lying cops, unskilled lawyers and "could be" different laws. No facts for me here to comment. :)
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Unqualified lawyer? Or you can call him"unskilled". I can be extremely correct too. Trust me, my lawyer is very qualified.
I don't hate cops. Just putting that out there. Most cops I've dealt with seem to be good people.
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"No facts for me here to comment."
Good boy!
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"I don't hate cops. Just putting that out there. Most cops I've dealt with seem to be good people."
Got one living next door? Good boy...
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"I don't hate cops. Just putting that out there. Most cops I've dealt with seem to be good people."
Got one living next door? Good boy...
[/quote Im not sure how I should feel about cops my x wife married one.
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In North Carolina, it IS illegal to pass a vehicle that is stopped in the right hand lane, on the right hand side of the road.
I should further clarify that the lane I was in...the far right lane next to the curb...isn't a "right turn only" lane. It's a regular lane from which you can go straight or turn right.
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I should further clarify that the lane I was in...the far right lane next to the curb...isn't a "right turn only" lane. It's a regular lane from which you can go straight or turn right.
..that's the type of lane the law in NC istalking about..
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Video is taken in Russia.
Scoots seems to be Kymco Cobra Cross.
;D
http://www.index.hr/like/clanak/pazi-kome-trubis-u-rusiji-manijak-na-motoru-spreman-ubiti/607200.aspx (http://www.index.hr/like/clanak/pazi-kome-trubis-u-rusiji-manijak-na-motoru-spreman-ubiti/607200.aspx)
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I had a similar situation earlier this week. I did the same thing, and got the same result. True, in that it may be illegal in most areas; but most drivers do it (including law enforcement).
I just have one realization from my incident:
"Who cares about the guy/gal that's behind you? I would lay my focus, attention, and potential worry to the road that's in front of me."
;)
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"Who cares about the guy/gal that's behind you? I would lay my focus, attention, and potential worry to the road that's in front of me."
I say F'them all.
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"Who cares about the guy/gal that's behind you? I would lay my focus, attention, and potential worry to the road that's in front of me."
I say F'them all.
Agreed! :p
speaking for myself only, though, I would say that my top 3 worries are as follows:
1. Idiots that are driving their car and texting while giving the road zero attention.
2. Pot holes. They're everywhere here. It may look like I'm having a great time sliding my scooter all over my lane (I am actually lol), but the top reason is survival.
3. Roadkill. Sometimes you reach a stretch where you're weaving around roadkill like traffic cones.
The guy behind is only considered when coming to a quick slow down or sitting at traffic light/stop sign. Because if you're going to run me over, at least give me the respect of doing it to me where I can see you coming! Lol
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Roadkill. Sometimes you reach a stretch where you're weaving
..aint that true!...welcome to central NC mornin trekking!..
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Today an old guy (Not as old as me) in a Beemer almost got me coming off the Walt Whitman Bridge. He almost merged me off the road. I was coming home from picking up some Phillies mugs.
Richard L.
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There are very few laws in our country with regards to motorcycles. Bikes here are the aggressive ones on the road. That's why lots of bikers die because of accidents due to speeding, drunk riding, etc. Here, you don't need and training to get a motorcycle license. You can buy any bike, have it modified (for speed), get a license, go racing... and die!
Bikers here are the assholes on the road! lol!
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I LOVE it! Where you at! Hold on . I'm packing my bags, and typing .
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Hahaha! only in the Philippines!!! Another stupid law (but nice)...If a car and motorcycle gets involved in an accident, whatever the reason, motorcycle wins! because he's the underdog!
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Agreed! Philli... Here I come! Wait The Philippines are an Island chain right? How am I gonna get there on my scoot? Is there a toll bridge or something?
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Yup! 7,107 islands. I think you have to leave your scoot there ;D and buy a modified Dio or Jog here for $80-$90. Used Japanese (garbage) Dios and Jogs were once dumped here in container vans and sold at a very cheap price by "importers". Just stay away from customs officials. ;)
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90.00 Dio's too. IT'S F'n PARADISE. Trust me Bro! I Always stay away fro Anyone official. I even wait till the bank officials leave. And don't get me started on the Crossing Gaurd...
Crank That Crossing Guard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17_-OXqdfQ4#)
That F'r has ISSUES