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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: Kernow70 on January 07, 2012, 09:38:10 AM
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Hi everyone
Just got my first agility 10 plate and after reading this forum I thought I would say thanks for the amazing advice on derestriction.
I have ordered a new boss 82 jet and will be getting the hacksaw out on the CDI. I have read a few posts to say post 09 plate bikes don't need a cut Cdi just the boss and jet. Any advice as mine is a 2010?
One post from a long time ago said if fitting a bigger jet you need to adjust carb as well. Don't think you do? Any advice?
Thanks again. I think the agility is a fantastic bike. Living in London it makes a lot of sense!
Cheers
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Looks like you are doing good just double check on the cdi befor cuting you may not need too.
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..welcome to th' forum!!..
..the 09 i bought for parts had a restricted cdi...but i live in th states...not sure what you might find on th other side of th pool..
..correctly cutting it will do no harm anyway....
One post from a long time ago said if fitting a bigger jet you need to adjust carb as well. Don't think you do? Any advice?
..ive found that if i significantly change the main jet, i have to tweak the idle mix slightly..
peace
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Hi everyone
Just got my first agility 10 plate and after reading this forum I thought I would say thanks for the amazing advice on derestriction.
I have ordered a new boss 82 jet and will be getting the hacksaw out on the CDI. I have read a few posts to say post 09 plate bikes don't need a cut Cdi just the boss and jet. Any advice as mine is a 2010?
One post from a long time ago said if fitting a bigger jet you need to adjust carb as well. Don't think you do? Any advice?
Thanks again. I think the agility is a fantastic bike. Living in London it makes a lot of sense!
Cheers
Im pretty sure it was 2010 onwards in the UK where they dont have a restricted cdi, anything before 2010 does (i think) :-\
My 2008 cdi was restricted but another uk member (jezyg) has a 2010 im sure and his did not need desetricted. I found it easier to file the whole top corner off my cdi cos i couldnt see the wire when i used a hacksaw and missed it, twice,so gave up and got the file out. Think wordslinger posted up his ages ago which he did the same way,i just copied that exactly.
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..this what you talking about streido?
;D
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..this what you talking about streido?
;D
Yup, thats the baby, you cant miss the wire this way ;D
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I bought my ag in the end of august 2010. It's manufactured in june 2010. and it was restricted cdi inside.
for central/southern europe market though if it makes any difference
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My first agility were a 2008 model, and that had a restricted CDI. Then my new scooter is a may 2010 model, and the CDI is slightly diffrent, as there is a bigger piece of plastic in the connection in the old one, than in the new one, so the new can be installed in the old bike, but the old CDI cant fully be installed in the new, as it wont "click".
Although the new could be started with the old CDI, but standing stationary, it didnt seem like there were any diffrence in the revs. :) I'll try going for a longer ride soon with both CDI's to check if theres a diffrence :)
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The 2010 CDI IS RESTRICTED!
My scooter did 18 mph with the 2010 cdi in it, and with malossi multivar. Then i put my cutted 2008 cdi in, and now it goes much better, past 30 mph, but i dont know how much, as my speedometer is stuck at 18 mph. :S
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The 2010 CDI IS RESTRICTED!
My scooter did 18 mph with the 2010 cdi in it, and with malossi multivar. Then i put my cutted 2008 cdi in, and now it goes much better, past 30 mph, but i dont know how much, as my speedometer is stuck at 18 mph. :S
even comletely restricted ag 50 needs to go well over 18mph. you say your speedo is stuck at 18mph and I had the same problem when scoot was new. It was factory foult and solved by dealer at no charge. just re-route speedo cable at the right around forks because it's tight and pressing tacho needle against tacho.
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NOPE in denmark, its restricted to 18 mph -.- and it SUCKS!
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even comletely restricted ag 50 needs to go well over 18mph. you say your speedo is stuck at 18mph and I had the same problem when scoot was new. It was factory foult and solved by dealer at no charge. just re-route speedo cable at the right around forks because it's tight and pressing tacho needle against tacho.
In Denmark, the scooter exists in 2 forms: little scooter, restricted to 18 mph, and big scooter restricted to around 25 mph. The scooters are identical, apart from restriction in the vario. The little scooter can be driven, when your 16 and have a drivers license for it, and the big scooter can be driven when your 18 and have a drivers license for car, or MC. As im 16 years old, its only legal for me to drive the small one, and removing restrictions will make the "technical info" count as an MC, and because its not registered as a MC, and i dont have license for MC, and its uninsured as MC.. Then this is highly illegal, but 18 mph is just too little! im getting overhauled by cyklist! >D
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In Denmark, the scooter exists in 2 forms: little scooter, restricted to 18 mph, and big scooter restricted to around 25 mph. The scooters are identical, apart from restriction in the vario. The little scooter can be driven, when your 16 and have a drivers license for it, and the big scooter can be driven when your 18 and have a drivers license for car, or MC. As im 16 years old, its only legal for me to drive the small one, and removing restrictions will make the "technical info" count as an MC, and because its not registered as a MC, and i dont have license for MC, and its uninsured as MC.. Then this is highly illegal, but 18 mph is just too little! im getting overhauled by cyklist! >D
Wow Baddi, thats pretty messed up :( 18mph!!! I used to get 26mph out my mountain bike using only pedal power! Sound way way dangerous to be riding safely so slow in traffic.
Im in Scotland and we can ride a 50cc limited to 30mph at 16 on learner plates after doing a basic test. I am slightly older (well a lot olderreally ;D ) so i can ride my 50cc on my car license without the need for any other test but again legally im meant to be restricted to 30mph. I found this too slow and dangerous so derestricted my scoot so i now average 40-45mph (illegally). I find it much safer and can keep up with traffic and dont get overtaken all day like before. If i get stopped and they checked over my scoot i would prob get a warning 1st tho i could be fined and have points on my license for doing it. Actually they could sieze my scoot from me and but it all comes down to the cops attitude. No matter, i take the risk because for me a restricted scoot is dangerous because it is too slow for midern traffic. I could never ride at 18mph tho, i would rather cycle.
I just ride with one eye looking out gor cops or speed cameras and slow down if i see any.
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Im also riding my agility 50 on my car licence although its still restricted 30mph which can be a pain on country roads when everyone wants to overtake me, i had the idea to keep it restricted would at least mean i could not get caught speeding as there are speed traps reguarly set up in north wales, 10 percent over limit and its 3 points 75pounds fine, but the other day i might have been caught speeding doing about 25mph on the speedo in a 20mph there was a speed camera van set up in that zone.....
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Im also riding my agility 50 on my car licence although its still restricted 30mph which can be a pain on country roads when everyone wants to overtake me, i had the idea to keep it restricted would at least mean i could not get caught speeding as there are speed traps reguarly set up in north wales, 10 percent over limit and its 3 points 75pounds fine, but the other day i might have been caught speeding doing about 25mph on the speedo in a 20mph there was a speed camera van set up in that zone.....
Where i live we have back coumtry roads too and even with my derestriction i also get cars lining up behind me to overtake, i hate to imagine how bad it must be at 30mph. It hasnt been a problem for me so far but i know i could be stopped anytime and be fined etc but i really think most cops are more concerned with young 16-17 yr olds tearing around on unrestricted scoots, i believe they tend to leave older riders alone as long as they dont ride dangerously. This was told to me by my neighbour who is also a local cop and biker. I still accept i can be caught anytime but just take the chance and hope i dont! I plan sitting my cbt in feb or march anyway now cos im building a Vespa T5 classic 125cc so need the test to ride that once its finished.
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I knew benelux has that 25kph limit but now I see it's dk also. here in serbia 50cc moped can be driven at the age of 14(two pages exam) and 125cc up to 11 kw at the age of 16(written and practical exam).
ag's sold here is doing about 45mph-50mph de-restricted(jet, cdi, vario) but I did a little bit more and have some extra mph, so, in my mind 18mph is a way too slow. even 30 is slow wich I get on the most hills and have vehicles lined behind me, but drivers is getting more and more tolerant cos scootering is in expansion here. And I guess one nice smiley sticker under the licence plate makes things even better ;D
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..I ride daily 17 miles one way for work...2-lane blacktop most of the way...
..I probably average 40-50 mph for the most part, and have been passed by state troopers, county sherrifs, local city cops...
..they all just look th other way........
::)
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same thing here, cops aint gonna bother with 50cc scooterists wearing protective gear and driving by the rules even if they are topping over 50mph. and if cops stop me and they see moped plates they just let me go :-)
there is some safety rule where stationary police patrol can't just stop me.
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In 2005 i purchased a boatian starway scooter 4 stroke which i think was a gy6 (139qma) engine from argos stores when they sold mopeds £899 on the road and for some reason it was not restricted and would do 45mph i never woried about getting caught back then, i also had a 49cc 4 speed monkey bike (copy) that could almost hit 50 mph although now thinking about it im not sure with it having gears i was legal to ride it on my car licence, that little bike was only £395 brand new on the road from ebay was a great little bike for my daily work commute till it packed up at about 5000miles....(never see them prices again)
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A monkey bike to work! At 50mph! Lol now that i wouldve loved to see, must have been a hairy ride to work :D
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Here in Denmark, weather i get stopped or not depends fully on the cop. Most cops dont care about it, when theres not razzias, but then when there are razzias, they have to stop every damn 2-wheeler they see, to check if its legal, no matter if its a bike, a scooter or a MC. :O
But the licence for riding the "little scooter" in Denmark is only around 10-20 euro, so thats not what hurts. What hurts, that the second time you get cought on an illigal scooter, they take it, and destroy it. :( (that is, if 2 times in 3 years).
So, if i get stopped for riding derestricted, ill have to ride restricted for 3 years... That means that in reality, the prize for going too fast on an illigal scooter is: 1500 DKK, and the vario first time, and 1500 DKK and the scooter second time (which for me were 9000 this time). That rounds up to 17000 DKK, whitch is £1 545, $2954 or 2284 euro.
But i have to do it, because 18 MPH is really extreamely dangerous. The statistics say that 90 % of all danish scooters is illegal (speed), but only 10 % of all accidents is involving an illegal scooter. AND most of those accidents are cars making a right turn or coming from a sideroad without looking. That was what happened to me, when i crashed on the old agility (going 20 km/h, whitch is around 12 MPH.).
So the conclusion must be: The legislation sucks, and driving restricted is dangerous ;)