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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: adamsd11 on October 10, 2011, 09:56:36 PM
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Right ive done some more to my kymco and she now does 57mph down hill (this is the best I have got so far)
To get my ped to do this ive
- Cut the CDI
- Leovince Pipe
- 5.5g Rollers
- Cut the boss drive
- Race Variator
P.S The ped is still a 50. It doesnt have a 80cc/90cc kit fitted
What else can i do to get more out of it? Might try 5g rollers? The ped seems to be rubbish up hill! Any other tips, recomendations of other parts i should get?
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One of my scooter buddys did the same but the pipe he just cut and clean out the inside and welded it back together and he can get it up to 55 down hill.
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If you can get to 57mph then you are doing far better than most on here, i cant see how you could get it any faster without towing it behind a car ;D
Most struggle to hit 50mph wihout a big bore kit. I only average 45-48mph and i have the same set.up as you almost apart from the leo vince. Take it you fitted a larger main jet anyway?
What variator do u have? What size belt? Or is belt stock?
If i ever got to 57 i would be more than happy, in fact i would be amazed. 51-52 is.my record.but that was.down a long hill using 7.5g rollers. There are a few guys on the forum running 70 or 80 cc kits who only get 50-55mph so if your speedo is correct then you are well over the scooters limitations really. When you say it was downhill you got 57mph, it wasnt a vertical hill was it? i.e, a cliff? :D
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Castrol 4t 10w40 racing oil claims to reduce enging friction and increase power by 3% i use it in both my scoots also you could look into a lighter racing gear oil, the only other thing i could imagine you could do is make the scooter lighter if you do dont use it lose it rear rack buddy seat and if you trust your elec start remove your kick lever etc and inflate your tyres to max pressure, all this may seem a little extreme but it depends how serious you take it, but i would imagine you are at your limit now without blowing that little 4t engine it must be reving its little heart out.....
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if your speedo is correct then you are well over the scooters limitations really. When you say it was downhill you got 57mph, it wasnt a vertical hill was it? i.e, a cliff? :D
Correct speedo on a Kymco 50? not likely. They are optimistic for this very reason.
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Correct speedo on a Kymco 50? not likely. They are optimistic for this very reason.
Yeah sid my speedo is about 10% out, my gps was about 43mph where my speedo had 48mph showing, engine was up at 8500-8750rpm at that speed as far as i remember. Given that as a rough guide if the top speed was 57 on the gauge that would prob be around 51mph actual :o . Seems too high for just a 50cc Agility with no major mods. Wonder if he meant km/h cos I never heard of an Agility going so fast without a Big bore kit on it. Either that or it was a massive steep hill ;D
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This is why people should not belive everything they read . A50 owners will be obsessing over this and destroying their rides trying to acheve the impossible .
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Hmm, pocket billiards methinks.:)
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This is why people should not belive everything they read . A50 owners will be obsessing over this and destroying their rides trying to acheve the impossible .
x2 true--ture true.
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I know i asked you recently about derestricting my a50 but for now i have decided to keep it as standard, i cycled to work a few times last week for the challenge/exercise 12 mile round trip, it made me apreciate my a50 it may only go 30mph but it is still a lot quicker and easier than peddleing especialy when there is a head wind, also it will keep me out of trouble ;D we get a lot of mobile ANPR/speed cameras in north wales i got caught recently doing 35mph in a 30 im my car £60 fine and 3 points :(.....
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In January, I got caught, by camera, doing 70 km/h in a 60 zone, $256.
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I could never go back to riding a restricted scoot now, it would drive me insane going so slow.
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Before I sold the zx, I put the stock carb and inlet back on, leaving all else as was and the difference was incredible, it was almost scary to ride. It would still wind out to 80 on the clock but wouldn't outrun a fart. I doubt I could go back to stock after doing mods.
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Sometimes I wonder - what is the point of all this mods - why not get a bigger bike. :-X
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More fun in doing the mods and seeing what effect each change has.
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I cant ride over a 50cc on my license, got no spare cash to sit the bigger test right now.
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I cant ride a bigger bike than 49cc either im riding mine on my car licence as it has moped entitlement on there as i past my car test before 2001, i have ridden 49cc scoots for nearly 15 years now and they suit me fine for local trips etc, i did do a cbt once and purchased a peugeot speedfight 100cc but i happily came back to 49cc scoot's....
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Im exactly like you kisbe, riding on my car license. I also had a speedfight 100cc :o freaky. I got kije for nothing , stripped it down and resprayed it, got it mot'd but decided after riding it that it wasnt worth the hassle to sit my cbt for an extra 10-15mph top end so o kept my Agility and sold the Peugeot.
Plan on doing my test maybe next year cos i want an old vespa 125 for summer next yr.
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Yeah im running an 88 main jet. The scoot does alright.
The kymco currently does 57mph down a hill. It is in the middle of my last 2 digits of my millage clock, the reason i know its 57 is because im 16 and theres a few of us that go out. My friend has a gilera DNA 50 and his speado reads 57mph when hes in like with me.
I want to get a little bit more, wondered about performance parts?
I will try take a picture next time im flat out for you :)
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Belt is standard, the variator is a "Race variator" from ebay, i will post a link tomorrow.
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So are you also running a open air filter too then since you got an 88 jet fitted?
In my opinion anything else you do is going to be too expensive to be worth it really unless you go for a big bore kit. 57mph downhill or not is prob about the fastest i heard an Agility 50 go, especially since its still 50cc. Lighter weights wont help top end, heavier may give a couple of mph more but like i said im surprised you even got 57 out of it so i would be happy with that. Or like someone suggested you can strip it right down and remove anything you dont need, tho it will look like sh** prob so for a few mph its hardly worth it.
Wait till next year for a bigger bike. Or buy an Asprilla RS50, i know a guy who had one and he got that pushing 70mph. Think its prob the fastest 50cc you can buy in the uk once its tuned and derestricted.
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Not trying to be rude, but how much, if any, is your friend speedo off? Just because the speedo says he is doing 57 MPH doesn't mean he is. Without being there and seeing for myself or having a GPS showing actual speed it is kinda of hard to believe you are getting 57 MPH. I think with everything I have read on here and around the most I have seen is around 50. Most Agility Speedos seem to be off about 5 to 7 mph.
If you are doing it great you are lucky.
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We should make a rule around here, that people should read their speed on GPS, because that isnt possible.. When the speedometer is at 50 mph, it will show between 10 and 25% wrongly, and theres nothing much to do about it..
About getting more speed: it wont be possible.. Around or a little lower than 50 mph is the maximum for 9.000 RPM with the standart gearing, and some (me included) have achieved this with the 49.5 ccm standart cylinder.
When your CDI is cut, it will max out at 9k rpm's, and then only ignite every second time (which feels like someone is rapidly turning your key to the off- and back to on-position), until the rpm's are lower than 9k again.
A bigger engine wont give you higher rpm's and therefore not higher speed, if you are already maxed. On the other hand, a nice quality 80 ccm DOES almost double your horsepowers, and makes it able for you to run with a higher gearing. I, myself has got the standart gearing, so i dont know how much a naraku secondary gearing will give you, but it might give some..
Also if you can find an unrestricted CDI with advanced igniting, you can gain some if it lets you pass into higher RPM's, but be aware, that higher RPM's will put even more stress on the engine parts, more heat, and at some point the valves wont have time to close before they will be opened again. Driving with high rpm's is both damaging for the engine and stupid, as the max horsepower occures at 7.5 RPM's, so it is limited how much you will gain..
Keep in mind, that cars cylinders is 4x300 ccm, and even though their engines are much more effective than ours, they arent able to acheive more than 180 km/h with an engine 24 times as big as a standart agility.
So the conclution will be: your speedometer isnt accurate, so please read your speed elsewere before posting, and if you want more speed, get a 125 ccm engine with an even higher gearing. Or be satisfied with what you've got now ;)
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(baddi Could it not be possible to use a slightly wider and longer belt to get it to travel further up the variator giving you a higher gearing then maybe you could achive your top speed closer to 7500 rpm max engine out put as you said, hopefully would then mean extended engine life and also run more efficent just a thought....
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baddi, I don't like to post information before I'm sure it isn't true.
my engine is running fine at 9.000rpm's and gy6 valves start to 'flow' somewhere at 12.000 - 13.000 rpm's
I got downhill 55mph top speed(gps verified, needle off the tacho scale) and that's it. but downhill !!
50cc, de-restricted, tuned variator, longer belt and quality maintenance
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Kisbee: sorry no, that aint possible, if you are already running with the correct length belt, you will already be in the highest gear in your variator :) That is unless you've put in a harder spring in the clutch, because that will push the belt out at the rear end, and give a lower gearing.. Although ive heard about that they some places put a too little belt in, to restrict the bike :D try painting a little line on your variator, drive some (5 km should do it) and then look at your variator.. if the line is gone, that means that your variator gears fully, and if it still there, it means that theres a problem with either the rollers weight, the stiffness of the spring, or your engine not hitting enough RPM's to gear fully :) The last one almost never happens, at least not without you knowing it :D
Woodcutter, i know that 9.000 RPM's is normal when your CDI is cut, because thats when it turns off after it is cut. :) BUT ive known a dude here in denmark, who expierienced with tuning a 4-stroke engine, and after he installed an unrestricted cdi and a larger cylinder, he could hit somewhere over 10.000 rpm's, and it ended up crashing his engine... I cant remember what crashed, but some of the things was that the engine got too hot, the needle bearings got ruined, and the valves also broke in some way, together with the cylinder... Hey, wait, did you say longer belt? Wouldnt that be too long, and end up sliding out of the clutch when you start the engine? :O
And by the way, sorry that im saying rpm's all the time, when you guys most of the time says revs, but im from Denmark, and thats the translation from danish to english: Rounds Per Minute ;)
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yep, I said longer belt! I got malossi mulivar kit with white torque spring and 748mm long belt. I wrote a marker line on my stock variator with a new bando 729mm long belt and it left about 4mm of marker at the top of variator movable half. On the multivar and 748mm belt there were no marker left! And it's a bit larger diameter than stock.Just like fixed front pulley.And 748 was going at the top of it, but not touching starter bendix. That gave me much more speed but I needed to use heavier rollers to achieve it.I hit it downhill to get to it but uphill was very poor.
If you're claiming I'm not right and lying, I would like to know what you did to modify your scooter and have you tryed something of this I wrote or it's just a theory?
And for big bore kit, I haven't tryed any and defects you said some people experienced could be low quality kit or inpropper installation!?
I'm keeping my stock cylinder and give my scoot good maintenance and it's running fine and I guess some more top speed ;D
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Does anyone know if you can mod your drive boss your self? Or do you have to buy a new derestricted one? Thnks
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Does anyone know if you can mod your drive boss your self? Or do you have to buy a new derestricted one? Thnks
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-Agility-50cc-Racing-Drive-Boss-Shims-/280728949236?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item415cbfd1f4 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-Agility-50cc-Racing-Drive-Boss-Shims-/280728949236?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item415cbfd1f4)
LATERS
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yep, I said longer belt! I got malossi mulivar kit with white torque spring and 748mm long belt. I wrote a marker line on my stock variator with a new bando 729mm long belt and it left about 4mm of marker at the top of variator movable half. On the multivar and 748mm belt there were no marker left! And it's a bit larger diameter than stock.Just like fixed front pulley.And 748 was going at the top of it, but not touching starter bendix. That gave me much more speed but I needed to use heavier rollers to achieve it.I hit it downhill to get to it but uphill was very poor.
If you're claiming I'm not right and lying, I would like to know what you did to modify your scooter and have you tryed something of this I wrote or it's just a theory?
And for big bore kit, I haven't tryed any and defects you said some people experienced could be low quality kit or inpropper installation!?
I'm keeping my stock cylinder and give my scoot good maintenance and it's running fine and I guess some more top speed ;D
Im sorry, i didnt mean to call you a lier, im sorry if you understood it that way, but many people on various scooter sites claim that their scooter runs alot more than is possible for a single-cylindered bike. And also, the belt which it is sold with by standart here fits perfectly, and ive never seen with my own eyes an agility with a longer belt than standart, which ran properly. :D
No hard feelings ;)
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Does anyone know if you can mod your drive boss your self? Or do you have to buy a new derestricted one? Thnks
If you have access to a lathe you can lathe the stock boss down so it has no lip on it pretty easily. I had our machine shop at work do mine for me.
Baddi, im also running a longer than stock belt. I use a 736mm long belt and also get it off the gauge DOWNHILL on 5.5g rollers. Not had chance for a gps yet but def goes past 50moh on the speedo. I estimate its an actual gps speed of 45-47mph. Before i swapped belts i got around 48mph on speedo which was around 43-44mph on gps phone app i used.
1000rpm torque spring, 5.5g rollers, 736x17x30 Malossi kevlar belt. I only recently fitted it so plan to retune at some point my rollers and torque to see the best set up. I have noticed it engages sooner than on stock belt i had and maybe very slightly slower taking off from stopped. Plan to renew my fly springs and may try 1500 torque too since i already got one anyway. Just got no time right now. Not a.big problem for me anyway and doesnt noticably affect my ride to work in any negative way. I enjoy the top end and doubt i wpuld gove that up for minimally better take.off. Maybe new flys and tighter torque will fix this anyway.
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Can you make your belt slip going up steep hills or are they well designed so they will not slip, the reason i ask is the route i take to work has a long hill over a quarry and there is no other possible route its a good 3/4 of a mile to the top it slows my agility down to about 15mph on some parts is that something the belt can handle, i would imagine i would be better leaving the scoot in its standard set up restricted because going slower up the hill would hopefully mean keeping the gearing lower and less strain on the transmission, i dont mind going up the hill slowly its a lot easier than cycleing and still quicker and much cheaper than using the bus, i know it may be a little hard on the scoot every day but on the plus side it has it easy coming down the other side of the hill. Another thought would the clutch slip before the belt has this ever happened to anyone....
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Can you make your belt slip going up steep hills or are they well designed so they will not slip, the reason i ask is the route i take to work has a long hill over a quarry and there is no other possible route its a good 3/4 of a mile to the top it slows my agility down to about 15mph on some parts is that something the belt can handle, i would imagine i would be better leaving the scoot in its standard set up restricted because going slower up the hill would hopefully mean keeping the gearing lower and less strain on the transmission, i dont mind going up the hill slowly its a lot easier than cycleing and still quicker and much cheaper than using the bus, i know it may be a little hard on the scoot every day but on the plus side it has it easy coming down the other side of the hill. Another thought would the clutch slip before the belt has this ever happened to anyone....
unless the scooter is reving high and going nowhere i would doubt its your belt slipping. If your still restricted then you can fit a 1000rpm torque spring with no problems i should imagine and lighter rollers, maybe try 5.5g. Should give you better uphill.
Im derestricted and rarely go lower than 30mph uphill unless is way steep or i need to stop and restart due to traffi on the hill. up real steep hill i drop to 24-25mph, but that is real steep. Most normal hills i get 30-40 if i get a run at it and not going from a standing hillstart at the bottom. Normally i manage to accelerate up most hills till i get around the 40mph.
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Streido what was your scooter like going up hills before you done mods, my belt is not slipping just want to know will i damage belt with going up hills every day or are they made to withstand hills etc...
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Streido what was your scooter like going up hills before you done mods, my belt is not slipping just want to know will i damage belt with going up hills every day or are they made to withstand hills etc...
It was a while ago now so im not sure how it went upholl as atock but i remember it was sloooooow :D
Its no rocket now uphill or even on flats but for a 50cc and compared to stock its a huge difference, for me anyway. I cant see how you would damage the belt but why not take off the cover and just have a look inside to check it ok if your worried?
Think its prob just what you get from a restricted scoot. if i remember right i used to hover around 20-29mph and if lucky i got to 31moh downhill but it was slow going back up, even after derestricting, until i lightened the rollers and did the torque spring. Now im pretty happy as i doubt i can get it any better than it is without a bigger kit and i dont want to go down that road.
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..57 is very possible, even without a kit...I know, because ive topped that on my 08 agility...
..actually gps'd it at 56, with the needle on the white tenths digit of the odometer..and have run it faster than that...
..ssso, for all u naysayers...just know that it has, and can be done, on some scoots..not all builds are the same...
peace
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..57 is very possible, even without a kit...I know, because ive topped that on my 08 agility...
..actually gps'd it at 56, with the needle on the white tenths digit of the odometer..and have run it faster than that...
..ssso, for all u naysayers...just know that it has, and can be done, on some scoots..not all builds are the same...
peace
The lord has spoken. All unbelievers can go to hell ;D
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The lord has spoken. All unbelievers can go to hell
..lmfao...now that's funny...
..guess i should say that those speeds were on my 08...
..i cant get anywhere close to that with the 09 engine...
..oh, and streido..you'll like that 1500 contra.... ;D
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Havent had time to fit the 1500 yet Word, and its bloody freezin here too anyway. Will do it over xmas hols if i dont do it before then.
My A50 is a 2008 model too, from Jan 2008. Maybe they changed some things on the newer scoots so they cant go so fast? I defo get my dial over the 50 mph mark now, just over, and its downhill, but still goes over. Cant ask for much more than that off a small 50cc with 17,000kms really. In middle of negotiations for a Vespa T5 classic right now, 125cc engine but they got Ali heads so theyre actually faster than a 200 cc Vespa px, with a little tweak they easily do 70mph, big tweak and they can hit 90mph ;D
Friend of bro-in-law selling so jst about to call and offer my cash now. Needs stripped and resprayed so im keeping the agility too for commuting to work. Just hope seller doesnt want crazy money for it.
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...i put 57,000 kms on my 08 before i had any real problems...
..I tried tracing back the 08, and was able to find out that there were at least two different builds...
..i believe mine came from the Changzhou facility, and i did finally get some translation that the piston and rings were different on those scoots...
..never physically verified that yet, but i guess i will one day...lol..
..that 1500 really opens up the a50...keeps rpms up in the powerband better..
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(streido) This is the kymco scoot i was saying reminds me of vespa style, if they launch this in the uk i will be getting one not sure if its the gy6 engine but looking at the specs its fuel injected and about 20% more power output at 3.2kw so derestricted should imagine 50mph plus...... http://www.kymco.com/product/overview.asp?MotorCTID=79097204-9D4B-4294-8F29-DD9A56C5151F (http://www.kymco.com/product/overview.asp?MotorCTID=79097204-9D4B-4294-8F29-DD9A56C5151F)
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Thats smart Kisbee, you get good looks and reliability, all depends on the price tho i guess.
I just bought a 1998 Vespa T5 classic today for £400 ;D Needs stripped and resprayed,few mechanical jobs to do on it but not much. The engine is sweet and does 65-70 as standard, up to 90mph with some tuning, the T5 125cc is actually faster than a 200cc PX, but on 10" wheels i may be too scared going that fast :o Got a good deal because you struggle to find a classic Vespa under £1000 here so after i spend £200-£250 on it im still well up.
Hopefully pick it up this week and do it up over xmas hols. Sitting my test to ride it on L plates after new year, cant wait.
Still got love for the A50 but i think it will be relegated to use in bad weather once the Vespa is on the road or the wife can ride him and come out for a run with me, if she can keep up ;)
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Alright lads, got a bit of money spare and thinking of maybe a few mods!
My friend has got a 59 aerox and recently put a bigger carb on it, it took a lot of tweeking and setting up however it flies and leaves me at about 52 on flat. He paid £1450 for his aerox and i paid £160 for the agility and up to last week i was beating him!
What your opinions on Race clutchs? it wont improve the top end however with my kymco being four stroke its totally rubbish on take off.
What about a new coil? Any reviews on this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-Like-4-Stroke-50cc-Racing-HT-Lead-Coil-Cap-/270805279017?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0d40a129#ht_1406wt_932 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-Like-4-Stroke-50cc-Racing-HT-Lead-Coil-Cap-/270805279017?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0d40a129#ht_1406wt_932)
also looking at a variator plate as hopefully it will work well with the race variator already in mine.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-People-S-50cc-HS-CNC-Variator-Plate-/270805287231?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0d40c13f#ht_1331wt_932 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-People-S-50cc-HS-CNC-Variator-Plate-/270805287231?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0d40c13f#ht_1331wt_932)
I think im going to put the standard airbox back on and change my jet to about an 82/84.
Any other reviews you've got?
cheers!
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Alright lads, got a bit of money spare and thinking of maybe a few mods!
My friend has got a 59 aerox and recently put a bigger carb on it, it took a lot of tweeking and setting up however it flies and leaves me at about 52 on flat. He paid £1450 for his aerox and i paid £160 for the agility and up to last week i was beating him!
What your opinions on Race clutchs? it wont improve the top end however with my kymco being four stroke its totally rubbish on take off.
What about a new coil? Any reviews on this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-Like-4-Stroke-50cc-Racing-HT-Lead-Coil-Cap-/270805279017?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0d40a129#ht_1406wt_932 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-Like-4-Stroke-50cc-Racing-HT-Lead-Coil-Cap-/270805279017?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0d40a129#ht_1406wt_932)
also looking at a variator plate as hopefully it will work well with the race variator already in mine.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-People-S-50cc-HS-CNC-Variator-Plate-/270805287231?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0d40c13f#ht_1331wt_932 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-People-S-50cc-HS-CNC-Variator-Plate-/270805287231?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0d40c13f#ht_1331wt_932)
I think im going to put the standard airbox back on and change my jet to about an 82/84.
Any other reviews you've got?
cheers!
Hi,
What is that you are trying to do? Faster take off or top end ?
There is lots of ways of doing it, shade some light on it.
Cheers mate
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..57 is very possible, even without a kit...I know, because ive topped that on my 08 agility...
..actually gps'd it at 56, with the needle on the white tenths digit of the odometer..and have run it faster than that...
..ssso, for all u naysayers...just know that it has, and can be done, on some scoots..not all builds are the same...
peace
I believe that would be possible down hill. You surely didn't so that on a flat road did you?
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You surely didn't so that on a flat road did you?
..no..i wish!!!
..@ 45 on th flats..depending on the wind...lol..
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Hi,
What is that you are trying to do? Faster take off or top end ?
There is lots of ways of doing it, shade some light on it.
Cheers mate
Right so basically, last week was a bad time for my agility! Basically the backwheel started making a noise asif the wheel bearings had worn. However it turns the main bearings in the engine has gone.
I have 2 Agilitys and ones a 80cc so in a moment of madness i decided to take all the stuff off my old agility and put it on my 80cc.
My 80cc has a race variator on and the cut cdi and a new drive belt. Ive also cut the boss drive and put my weights in from the other scoot. Ive left my LeoVince off my newone for the time being and im really happy with my decision to use my 80.
Basically tonight i swapped everything over and went out with my mate whos ped is really fast. in the 80 the acceleration is a lot better, this may not be the kit thats done this but in comparison it seems it!
So tonight i went down the long downhill again. There was 3 of us, a lad who has an aerox that does 51 and a lad that has never hit top speed. My ped came down the hill with the speado directing at my 2/3 number in on my speado. About 59/60mph. My friend overtook me near the bottom and on his aerox his speado the neadle was at the "P" of "Temp" on his clock about 63/64mph. As i looked up my mate was only half way down, which led me to believe the speados wernt lying.
Thinking about a Spark Coil an orange race one. For a little bit more top end.
Ill try to get a video of a helmet cam soon so you can see my speado and decide for yourselfs, however i carnt wait to put the leovince and get a few more MPH's!!
Any other ideas?
Regards