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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 500 => Topic started by: Cortez on August 21, 2011, 08:56:03 PM
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Can anyone confirm (or not..) the top speed of the xc500 that I just got from a friend by email.
His 07 carbed 500 will do an indicated 160km/h, however his GPS says that the real speed is only 143km/h.
That seems a bit low for a 40hp bike and a huge
speedometer error. I just had the 28hp people
300 up to 160km/h indicated so..
I'd like to know it anyone tested their FI 500i/Ri for top speed and speedo accuracy.
Stock bikes first, please :) but varous dr pulley setups are also welcome, just to see what works best.
Thanks!
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My x500 carb had 145.x on GPS and 165kph on speedo. Measured in 2 opposite directions short after another. Scoort&Sport (01/2006) said 145.5kph
But it has "only" 37.4hp.
Huge speedo errors are a common Kymco gimmick.
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My x500 carb had 145.x on GPS and 165kph on speedo. Measured in 2 opposite directions short after another. Scoort&Sport (01/2006) said 145.5kph
But it has "only" 37.4hp.
Huge speedo errors are a common Kymco gimmick.
Yeah, I've noticed that on my Agility 125, I thought 10km/h was a lot, but 20!! :-x
I wonder if all other 500cc scoots have similar errors, or is the xciting 500 the slowest
500cc scoot on the market. :(
However, I've seen factory rating at 147km/h on various sites, which seems about right.
As for the power, I've seen anything from 37 to 43hp, and usually higher rating for the
FI model.
???
No wonder tuned XC500s (on youtube) can hit 180km/h ;D
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... or is the xciting 500 the slowest
500cc scoot on the market. :(
Yes, probably. But despite its proper equipment the cheapest too.
But top speed doesn't mean much to me. I tested it once in its livetime and will perhaps never do it again.
I love its reliability, comfort and stability.
I love 10 hours cruising through x-thousand corners and x-hundred switchbacks and 5 hours hiking (onto various mountain tops) during a summer day.
No mc driver of my local club dares to drive with me on a full day trip in the mountains, even though they have a FJR1300 or R1200GS & Co. They complain about their legs, butt, back or neck or anything else.
My xciting needs a fuel stop every ~200km. I don't. That gives us a remarkable average speed.
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Yes, probably. But despite its proper equipment the cheapest too.
But top speed doesn't mean much to me. I tested it once in its livetime and will perhaps never do it again.
I love its reliability, comfort and stability.
I love 10 hours cruising through x-thousand corners and x-hundred switchbacks and 5 hours hiking (onto various mountain tops) during a summer day.
No mc driver of my local club dares to drive with me on a full day trip in the mountains, even though they have a FJR1300 or R1200GS & Co. They complain about their legs, butt, back or neck or anything else.
My xciting needs a fuel stop every ~200km. I don't. That gives us a remarkable average speed.
Yeah, asking about top speed may lead to the wrong assumption that I care about it, but it's
actually the usable average high-speed highway cruising that I'm interested in.
I'd like to be able to run the bike at REAL 130-140km/h on the highway (80-87mph) and not worry about
the high revs (and I tend to do that), and I'm about 150 miles away from the "good roads" or
any other place that I might want to visit with it.
I'd probably replace the roller weights with dr pulley sliders of similar weight to get rid of at least
500rpms at higher speeds etc.
It's a bit hard going from a 72hp bike to a bike with half the power and even more weight.
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I'd like to be able to run the bike at REAL 130-140km/h on the highway (80-87mph) and not worry about the high revs (and I tend to do that)
The x500 can maintain the speed, but would loose cruising range and flexibility. No useful acceleration at 140kph when there is a +250kph upperclass sedan car behind you. On the left lane of the autobahn, all scooters are considered "toys" and misplaced.
Regarding the high revs, you might consider the Burgman650 with its manual option. Use overdrive on the highway or shift down in the twisties.
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The x500 can maintain the speed, but would loose cruising range and flexibility. No useful acceleration at 140kph when there is a +250kph upperclass sedan car behind you. On the left lane of the autobahn, all scooters are considered "toys" and misplaced.
Nah, no left lane or acceleration beyond 140km/h needed, just the ability to cruise at or near that
speed for an hour or two. Then I get to the good stuff and get of the highway, and it's endless
switchbacks and 50-70mph forever.
Regarding the high revs, you might consider the Burgman650 with its manual option. Use overdrive on the highway or shift down in the twisties.
I wish!
The Burgman 650 costs almost $20k (US) here, and that's waaay over my budget, and I'd like
a bike that cheaper to insure and run then my current 650cc kawasaki, and the Burger is
actually more expensive then that.
Even the XC500 w/ ABS will set me back around $9k!
I just read in another thread that it will redline at 83mph, but it didn't say if that was
GPS or speedo indicated speed.
Anyone?
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Imho the 83mph should be GPS speed and "only" the beginning of redlining (>=8000 rpm).
Driving with my motorcycle friends I sometimes hit ~140kph indicated and up to 130kph on the GPS, but I don't remember the tachometer in the red. From my top speed test, I recall 8300 rpm (NB at 165/145 kph). But I don't know, if the tachometer is correct.
Cave: All I know applies to my carbureted Xciting.
But the fuel injected has 500rpm less nominal rotation speed (7000rpm) and according to www.kymco-ersatzteile.de (http://www.kymco-ersatzteile.de) the same vario and final gear and rear tire.
The 500i might have a relatively short transmission (simply & cheap from old model) and is redlining earlier. I just don't know exactly.
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Imho the 83mph should be GPS speed and "only" the beginning of redlining (>=8000 rpm).
Driving with my motorcycle friends I sometimes hit ~140kph indicated and up to 130kph on the GPS, but I don't remember the tachometer in the red. From my top speed test, I recall 8300 rpm (NB at 165/145 kph). But I don't know, if the tachometer is correct.
Cave: All I know applies to my carbureted Xciting.
But the fuel injected has 500rpm less nominal rotation speed (7000rpm) and according to www.kymco-ersatzteile.de (http://www.kymco-ersatzteile.de) the same vario and final gear and rear tire.
The 500i might have a relatively short transmission (simply & cheap from old model) and is redlining earlier. I just don't know exactly.
I guess I'll have to wait for someone with the FI model to report in, but thanks for your info too!
Looks good to me so far, and nothing I couldn't fix with an aftermarket clutch or Dr Pulley slider
for a few hundred revs less at speed.
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generally all efis will post higher mph/////...the difference in speedo vrs actual/gps....is not a kymco trick.....i think you find it across the motor sports spectrum....the upwardly bias read outs are manufacturers ways of making us feel we are moving faster than we actually are while protecting us ...yea right....from going to fast!
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I managed to push my Xciting (2006) until the speedometer wouldn't go further. I did have heavy tailwind.
My Xciting has a Malossi variator, nothing more.
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Speedo/Odo(fi 500): Within 2% (95% of the time).
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Speedo/Odo(fi 500): Within 2% (95% of the time).
That's interesting.. I'm sure you've read the above posts.
What's your indicated top speed then?
150?
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my speed is out by 10kph - 160 = 150 on the gps
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I'd like to be able to run the bike at REAL 130-140km/h on the highway (80-87mph) and not worry about the high revs (and I tend to do that),
There is a way to fix this - stop worrying!
You would be AMAZED that I never thought about revs I drive at, unless I had a gauge so I could actually see them.
It is possible, trust me! :) :) :)
It may take some time, meditation, relaxation music, but it IS possible! :) :) :)
It's a bit hard going from a 72hp bike to a bike with half the power and even more weight.
There is a solution to this - more powerful bike. Or scooter.
GP 800, for example.
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I'd probably replace the roller weights with dr pulley sliders of similar weight to get rid of at least
500rpms at higher speeds etc.
I forgot to say that laws of physics cannot be bent. You cannot get rid of 500 rpms and still maintain the same 130 km/h.
You need those revs to develop power in order to sustain higher speed.
So, it's a fairy tale.
Also, the experience with infamous Dr. Pulley sliders is inconclusive. Mine as you know (two of them) got stuck in upper position after 900 kms so I had them replaced with regular roller weights.
Btw. how can you spend so much time analyzing crappy things like scooters? More or less, given equal power, they are pretty much equally bad. :) Whichever you buy, you get the same thing, especially with 4 stroke. I know, I know... it's a hobby. :)
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my speed is out by 10kph - 160 = 150 on the gps
Well that's acceptable, 20kph would be a bit over the top..
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There is a way to fix this - stop worrying!
You would be AMAZED that I never thought about revs I drive at, unless I had a gauge so I could actually see them.
It is possible, trust me! :) :) :)
It may take some time, meditation, relaxation music, but it IS possible! :) :) :)
There is a solution to this - more powerful bike. Or scooter.
GP 800, for example.
That thing costs more to run and insure then my Kawasaki.. and lower running costs are part of
the why I'm selling the kwak.. and if I change my job I won't need the 125 so that'll help too..
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I'd probably replace the roller weights with dr pulley sliders of similar weight to get rid of at least
500rpms at higher speeds etc.
I forgot to say that laws of physics cannot be bent. You cannot get rid of 500 rpms and still maintain the same 130 km/h.
You need those revs to develop power in order to sustain higher speed.
So, it's a fairy tale.
Also, the experience with infamous Dr. Pulley sliders is inconclusive. Mine as you know (two of them) got stuck in upper position after 900 kms so I had them replaced with regular roller weights.
Btw. how can you spend so much time analyzing crappy things like scooters? More or less, given equal power, they are pretty much equally bad. :) Whichever you buy, you get the same thing, especially with 4 stroke. I know, I know... it's a hobby. :)
I'd probably want to try the burgman, tmax or scoots like those before I say they're all the same.
As for lowering revs at 130, it's not a problem at all.
You can't lower them by much or you'll loose power and the scoot won't even reach 130 then, but
500 isn't much.
I know you've had bad experiences with pulleys, but I'm following probably around 10 scooter related
forums/subforums, a lot of them brand specific just like this one, some of them generally about scooters,
and 99% have no issue with pulleys.
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I have Dr.Pulley in my Xciting for 6tkm and they (still) work. Like in every Dr.Pulley equipped Xciting500 of the German Kymco Forum.
Might be different with another scoot, nobody can know/test/prove anything.
If you have problems contact "Dirk" (Ex-Taiwanese, insider for Dr.Pulley and Kymco matters) under http://www.drpulley.info/forum (http://www.drpulley.info/forum)
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I have Dr.Pulley in my Xciting for 6tkm and they (still) work. Like in every Dr.Pulley equipped Xciting500 of the German Kymco Forum.
Care to share your findings with Dr Pulley sliders on your scoot?
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I changed 25tkm old original rollers & belt with new Dr.Pulley and new original belt. I followed Dirks suggestion with 28g Pulleys (lighter than the 31g original rollers, because the Pulley sliders are bigger).
It runs smoother with new parts than with old and worn parts. Of course!
But imo nothing more than smoother and slightly less revs (ca. -200rpm at 100kph, probably more due to the new belt).
I don't have a direct comparison and I don't really care as long as it works fine.
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I'd probably want to try the burgman, tmax or scoots like those before I say they're all the same.
Well, they will behave (handling/cornering/braking wise) like cruiser/custom of similar weight. Slightly better due to somewhat lower front wheel angle.
Much worse than any naked you can imagine.
Smaller scoots suffer from the same symptoms. Did not try Nexus though, but I would not expect miracles.
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Well, they will behave (handling/cornering/braking wise) like cruiser/custom of similar weight. Slightly better due to somewhat lower front wheel angle.
Much worse than any naked you can imagine.
Smaller scoots suffer from the same symptoms. Did not try Nexus though, but I would not expect miracles.
I tried the Nexus, and wasn't prepared for how it behaved.
It's better then my kawasaki, and T-max should be A LOT better then that.
Better brakes and suspension then 10k euro bikes.
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I guess I'll have to wait for someone with the FI model to report in, but thanks for your info too!
Looks good to me so far, and nothing I couldn't fix with an aftermarket clutch or Dr Pulley slider
for a few hundred revs less at speed.
My 2009 Xciting 500Ri indicates 84mph (135kph) at 7000rpm, GPS was reading 80mph (129kph). I wasn't trying to find it's top speed - just hanging with the fast traffic. It was 112 degrees at the time and I did about 11 miles at that speed without the bike seeming to get too hot. I however felt like I had been in a convection oven...
Most of our highways have a 70mph speed limit, only a few have 80mph. I don't need to go any faster on this bike, and I don't see it being a problem for it. I had heard that it's top speed was 84mph - and that it's speedometer was off by as much as 15%. I might have to put on some riding gear and find out the true top speed - but for now the speedometer error seems to be 5%. It would be easier if I already had a speedohealer mounted because it will display my top speed and the GPS will do the same. Looking down a couple of times at the gauges isn't as accurate (especially when you're haulin it in heavy traffic).
Does the rev limiter cut in at 7500rpm?
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German Kymco Forum: 500i: 8700rpm.
But some 500i with a well-known manufacturer error can rev beyond 9000rpm and exceed 170 kph (indicated).
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I tried the Nexus, and wasn't prepared for how it behaved.
It's better then my kawasaki, and T-max should be A LOT better then that.
Better brakes and suspension then 10k euro bikes.
I do not think that these scoots are so good, but I think that entry level motorcycles are quite bad in suspension department.
ZR-7S's suspension was relatively (just relatively) OK for most of uses and purposes, but if you pushed it too hard... it would "sway" and jiggle its way out of the corner.
Front suspension was not adjustable, rear was adjustable but only in two ways, I have changed oil in forks, installed spacers, and they helped just slightly...
If both front and rear suspension are not fully 3-way adjustable, I dare say that suspension is crap, if you ride a bit harder, and if you are fatass like me.
If you are semi-midget, weigh 50-60 kilos, anything goes.
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still having problems on my sliders even on the malosssi pulley. only remedy is to spray a little wd40 once in awhile.
if our speedo isn't accurate then that means we're getting much lower mileage per liter??? mine is now at 10kms/L highway driving and cruising speed.
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if our speedo isn't accurate then that means we're getting much lower mileage per liter???
No, not necessarily. The big error is introduced during positioning the speedo needle. The odometer is just counting the impulses.
mine is now at 10kms/L highway driving and cruising speed.
Huh? 10 litres for 100km!? My X500 can't suck fuel like this on the highway (maybe on the race track with hard braking and accelerating).
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I put Dr pully 31 gram sliders on my 2007 X500 & the rpm's dropped by about 500 while on the highway. But my old belt was very worn & narrow. The old sliders were shot also. 31 is 1 gram higher than stock, but I did not notice any lack of take off speed.
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I put Dr pully 31 gram sliders on my 2007 X500 & the rpm's dropped by about 500 while on the highway. But my old belt was very worn & narrow. The old sliders were shot also. 31 is 1 gram higher than stock, but I did not notice any lack of take off speed.
Great info!
Thanks!