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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: Bradders2125 on July 11, 2011, 06:14:10 PM
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Hi,
I'm about to order some parts for my scoot and was wondering what peoples experiences were with them. I'm looking at the Naraku high speed variator. http://www.centralscooters.co.uk/high-speed-variator-set-p-3194.html (http://www.centralscooters.co.uk/high-speed-variator-set-p-3194.html)
It has everything I want for the time being, smooth boss and lighter weights, with the added bonus of a new variator.
After I have installed these I will be getting a #82 jet and possibly going iridium.
Also is there any worries with waiting to up-jet after changing the variator parts.
Thanks
Brads
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I don't know anything about that variator but it looks decent to me. I have been looking at which one I'm going to install as well and I've been eyeballing the Malossi Multivar.
In my experience anything name brand that isn't NCY seems to be a fairly safe bet. I've heard bad things about NCY but great things about Polini. They are always the most expensive and you usually get what you pay for.
I just ordered and am waiting to install an Airsal cylinder kit and it seems pretty nice for the money ($150 shipped for just the piston and cylinder)
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If I had the extra money I would go for the Malossi as I have heard good things about them.
Changing cylinders is a bit out of my comfort zone at the moment. Maybe later in the year.
Brads
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i've had that exact variator on my agility for about 2000km now and it's done very well so far very smooth but quick acceleration, gained 4-5mph on top end and it seems very well built, i also have a naraku 72cc kit installed which hasn't given me a single problem yet :D all in all i've been very pleased withthe cost effectiveness of naraku parts
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Also is there any worries with waiting to up-jet after changing the variator parts.
Thanks
Brads
No worries with up-jetting and changing variator, as the variator is a part of the transmission, and the jets are controlling the fuel mixture in the carburator, and therefore are a part of the engine.
Just to make it clear, you will have to change the jet size if:
- You fit a power filter.
- Change something in your carburator, which influensces the fuel-air-mixture.
- You change cylinder.
- You get new carburator.
As the variator has nothing to do with the chemical energy, but only with the kinetik energy, you wont have to change something in the carburator because of something in the transmission, but you could have to change something in the transmission if you make major changes in the amount of energy being created in the motor, if this energy puts too much load on the transmission. But the last scenario, ive never heard of in real life. :)
Hope it answered some questions, and served as some kind of motor-education ;)
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well put baddi ;D
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well put baddi ;D
Thanks :D
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Just want to say, Kymco's official advice for derestricting an A50 states, " Fit smooth variator boss, cut CDI, fit #82 main jet".
I did he boss, cut the cdi but was waiting for a jet arriving, I rode it on the stock 80 jet for a few days but at top speed it felt like it had a lot of vibration thro the footplate and the engine didnt sound too happy. After fitting the 82 jet it ran much better, vibration went away and it sounded much happier.
Better to do a plug chop to see how its running once you do the work, just to be safe.
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I didn't think it would have a bad effect, just wanted to make sure.
I don't want to mess up and end up having to use the bus again anytime soon.
Now just got to wait for Monday to come around, so I can put my order in for the variator.
Brads
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Finally ordered it a few minutes ago.
Up to 3 days delivery, hopefully I get it by Tuesday, or Wednesday morning at the latest.
Tuesday and Wednesday are the only days I get enough time to do anything, don't want to have it sitting here staring at me for a week.
Brads
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Installed a few days ago. Wow, had my needle to 70kmh.
Seems fine so far.
Brads
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you do realise that now you only going to be looking to hit 80 dont you? ;D
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My main goal was to get over 40mph. Its easier to say 70kmh cos the needle stops on it nicely.
Brads
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Yup, thats what i said too, now im sitting at 48mph, 50+ down a good hill ;D
Give a few weeks, 1-2 months tops :D
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Hi,
Been meaning to post this for a while but only just got round to it.
A while ago I noticed a performance drop and suspected worn rollers. When I removed them they were worn but not too badly, I replaced them anyway.
What I did notice was some abnormal wear on part of the variator, I replaced it with the stock part and took some pictures. All the wear seems to be on one side. In the bottom picture the wear is on the right hand side.
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa332/bradders2125/Moped/IMAG0365.jpg)
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa332/bradders2125/Moped/IMAG0366.jpg)
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa332/bradders2125/Moped/IMAG0367.jpg)
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looks dusty in there. may be worth cleaning it all with brake/clutch cleaner. all inside the cvt.and cover case.
looks like all the belt dust may have jamed the rollers so it could not retern into position.
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I like my naraku variator and have had similar results as most of you guys. I think I'm ready to move on to the malossi variator though. If somone wants to buy my naraku kit, variator/ boss and 1000 rpm spring ill sell to them. Discounted obviously. Message me for details. Sorry for the thread jack
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I never seen wear like that in those pics? Seems weird only one side is worn and the rest look ok, even a stuck roller would not inflict that much damage i wouldnt think, surely the plastic roller would wear before the steel plate did? Strange?
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The part has been sitting gathering rust for a while.
When I get chance and some warmer weather I might give it a good clean inside the case, but this time of year its just too cold.
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even in snow ill still be out tinkering with my scoot ;D
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even in snow ill still be out tinkering with my scoot ;D
Thats why we have garages in Scotland ;D
I got 4x 500w halogen lights up in mine so its brighter than Blackpool illuminations and stays nice and warm too. Snow? Pfff! O laugh at snow. (or go boarding ;D )
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Im having a 12 x 18 "shed" built so I can keep messing with all my toys, I have a 2 car garage thats for... well cars. Ive always wanted a workshop anyways, going up and down the stairs with engines to my dungeon to work on them out of the elements has put a crick in my back something fierce this past year.
I too have never seen damage like that before, it would seem there would be equal damage to the variator as well.
I have the Polini, Malossi, PG, prodigy, Keli, naraku, ruckus, zx50, and "dio" variators and Ill have to say the polini has best top speed but all around the Malossi is best and very nice for using high way gearing. If you have a stock set up Polini is best for top speed and some good take off, Keli is the best for cheap ones (sub 40$) for all around performance, phongear and naraku seemed like barely upgrade from stock, the ruckus had poor low end but once you got going it was great for a great top speed(may have been the belt was angry after so many test runs), Zx50 and dio had different angle inclines but both seemed the same at top speed and take off, the dio seemed to shift faster back to low gear.
The ramp plate really matters a lot as well, The Malossi ramp plate is the best plate to use on any of them in my opinion, S.E.F. is my second favorite, Polini 3rd, prodigy 4th, stage 6 5th.
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i have a shed. about 9ft x20tf
its all full though. 2 scoots in bits. one agaility 50 and my son bought a year ago a suzuki fz50 but it bair bones even came with 2 flat tyres. then all mine and kalls fishing stuff and my work table and 2 tool chests. also lots of nitro car stuff . so not much room in there.
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i have a shed. about 9ft x20tf
its all full though. 2 scoots in bits. one agaility 50 and my son bought a year ago a suzuki fz50 but it bair bones even came with 2 flat tyres. then all mine and kalls fishing stuff and my work table and 2 tool chests. also lots of nitro car stuff . so not much room in there.
You just need to get it arranged better. My garage is like Dr Who's tardis. I cleaned it out a yr or so ago over a weekend, couldnt believe how much stuff i actually had it it! About 3-4 garages worth of stuff. Get up some good shelving, hang stuff up off the inside of the roof etc. I got a 1 car garage filled with............... a 72 beetle, 3x cycles, 3x snowboards, a Vespa, tools, a drill press, a 7ft punch/kick bag and stand, welding machines and 5ft bottle of Argon, etc,etc. Then add in all my boxes of spares and accessories for the cycles, scoots and bits for the beetle rebuild and you get some idea of how much sh** i got in there. Luckily a neighbour lets me store loads of the beetle in her garage, ie the interior, engine and everything i stripped off it, otherwise i'd be stuffed.
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/streido/20120512_184650.jpg)
Oh, and dont even ask what i got in my attic.................... :D
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Ok, starting to get shed envy now.
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In my experience anything name brand that isn't NCY seems to be a fairly safe bet. I've heard bad things about NCY but great things about Polini. They are always the most expensive and you usually get what you pay for.
I have to say on my 2012 Agility 50 I have installed a Kymco derestricted CDI, and a NCY Transmission kit but used 5.5gram weights instead of the 9gram weights that came with the kit (because I have lots of hills to ride everyday) and with 3,000+km on it already and 2,000+km on the NCY Transmission Kit. I have nothing bad to say about NCY as of yet. I am too also looking to go 72cc Enviromoto, NCY, or Naraku....Had a bad expereince with Malossi on my Daelim S-Five years ago but that may have been from lack of care on my part... as I was told they are good.
Thanks for letting me share!!! ;D
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9g weights!!!!!!!! :o. Really? WTF were they thinking? I wouldnt get anywhere on 9g rollers? Well i would get places but it would take me a very very long time to get there :D
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Ok, starting to get shed envy now.
Every man needs a cave, its written in the laws of nature :D
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Arent 9 g weights the same as stock?
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Yes....if you drive 1 and a 1/2 Agilty ;D
(6,5 gr is stock)
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Ha, I think that would be an interesting looking moped. Some reason I thought I had an agility with 9g rollers, cant remember if it was before or after the 47mm 72cc kit. Probably changed after if it came with 6.5s so the rpms wouldnt go sky high with the big bore kit.
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Every man needs a cave, its written in the laws of nature :D
Unfortunatly I live in a flat, I've got a shed, but at 3ftx5ft it's only just big enough for the 'ped.
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Unfortunatly I live in a flat, I've got a shed, but at 3ftx5ft it's only just big enough for the 'ped.
Use the living room, you can still watch tv while you work on it ;D
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I have no idea what NCY was thinking with the 9 grams but it shore did hall ass down hill before I took them out bahahaha!!! I can only think that they are assuming you have bought one of thier BBKs and don't for get those stainless rotor bolts that add 7hp BAhahaha! :D
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..check out this naraku drive face...not run very long on my s9...
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Wow Ive run mine for 6800 km and it looks great, thats no good!!