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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Yager GT 200i => Topic started by: fshfindr on June 30, 2011, 08:01:20 PM
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I would like to add a cigarette lighter type of recepticle to my Yager to be used for battery charging, cell phone and GPS. I think it can be done using the met-in light circuit but I don't know the best place to locate it or where to run the wire unless I put it below and in front of the seat. Has anyone done it?
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I have not done it yet but my wife's Buddy 150 has such a connector up by the handlebars. It works but the plug works out while riding. Some of these guys here recommended a marine type receptacle with a twist-lock feature which should work well. Use that type ONLY or your phone, GPS or whatever will be going off regularly. Yes I will be putting one on mine somewhere and sometime soon. It is a great idea.
Karl
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I have not done it yet but my wife's Buddy 150 has such a connector up by the handlebars. It works but the plug works out while riding. Some of these guys here recommended a marine type receptacle with a twist-lock feature which should work well. Use that type ONLY or your phone, GPS or whatever will be going off regularly. Yes I will be putting one on mine somewhere and sometime soon. It is a great idea.
Karl
I will definately do it. But, can the battery be charged thru it? And what is the best charger to use. For Jan. & Feb, I would like one that automatically goes on & off. Is there such a charger?
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That would actually be a really good idea. Switch the Met-In light for a cigarette lighter plug. Nobody really needs or uses the light in the Met-In box.
So you've got a low battery, you open the seat, plug in one of those cords that plug cigarette lighter to cigarette lighter, and let it charge.
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Yager200i do you really think that no one uses the light? Why take the light out? Then you have to crush the seat down on the charger wire. Why not have a light and a charging recepticle? The recepticel could be on the outside of the bike, maybe just below the front of the saddle or anyplace else that your like. When I do it, which probably will be soon, I'll retain the light, I may even go directly to the battery, it would be simple enough. Heck, I may even put in a switch.
Rich L.
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I've found that little light isn't nearly strong enough to illuminate the Met-In box sufficiently to make much of a difference in seeing things in there.
I'd leave the seat up if I were charging. First, because I'd hate to walk up, start up the bike and ride off, forgetting that the charger's plugged in. Second, because I'm not sure how much gas these batteries give off when charged that would build up in the Met-In box.
So, the Met-In box indicator light on the dash would be more like a "you forgot to lock your seat" indicator, rather than a "you forgot to lock your seat, and the Met-In box light's going to drain your battery" indicator.
If you put the cigarette lighter jack below the front of the seat, you'll have heat problems, since the top of the cylinder is right there, and you'll have an extra thing you'll have to disconnect / move out of the way when adjusting the valves or doing any engine work that requires removing that panel under the front of the seat. I can't think of a good alternate location that's protected from the elements, easily accessible, and protected from engine and exhaust heat, though.
I don't use any accessories when I ride, so I wouldn't need it except for charging, but it'd be real handy to be able to just plug into a good samaritan's car's cigarette lighter for a few minutes to get a charge if my battery's flat.
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Why not wire directly to the battery and use an in-line fuse in the hot lead? that way you have a direct link for use and charging and keep the Met-in light as is. Using the met-in allows use of the receptacle ONLY when the seat is open or unlatched.
Karl
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Carl, where would you put the receptical?
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Easiest would be inside the helmet tub left or right at the rear. I think the next would be on the front leg shield below the switch or the gas filler. That would allow you to use for the GPS.
Karl
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I like the idea of one of the leg shields. That means I will have to figure out how to run the wires if I come from the battery. I will have to know what is behind each shield first. If I hook up to something else in front, it should be a pc of cake. I'll let you all know when I do it and how.
Second fill up yesterday, 2.25 gals. When I saw the gage start to blink, I thought I was near empty, but still .75 gals. left. Still learning.
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Huh, when my gas gauge starts blinking, I've still got just a bit under 1 gallon left. I can get just a smidgeon over 2 gallons into the tank from there, if I fill it right up to the top.
Anyway, regarding the cigarette lighter plug, I think what I'm going to do is ride in the next heavy rain we have, then look the bike over for areas that remained relatively dry. From there, I'll figure out where to put the cigarette lighter plug. If I can't find an external spot that can stay dry, I'll use the Met-In box light hole for the cigarette lighter plug, or put my own hole in the Met-In box, most likely right next to the Met-In box light.
I'll use a small surface-mounted 15 amp (?) pop breaker rather than a fuse, so I can reset it, rather than having to find a fuse to replace the burned out fuse.
The question mark denotes that I'm not sure how much current will be going through the cables to charge a dead battery from a good battery. Have to do some calculations and make some assumptions to find out.
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Yager200i:
The fuse or breaker size should relate to the wire guage, not the electricity draw. Get a wire that will safely carry the amperage, then select the fuse.
This should help;
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349401 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349401)
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Find a breaker that auto resets. Available in auto parts stores. Cheap.
Karl
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The auto breaker sounds like a good idea. I still have to get the recepticle, then I have to get time to do it. Has anyone opened the leg shields? I still don't know what's back there or which side is best. It looks like the fuel fill will be a problem on the left side.
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Hi all,
I'm new here as my wife just bought a Yager last week. It's her first bike and I couldn't think of a better one to begin with and I've been having a blast using it for local errands and leaving my BMW RT1200 parked for such trips. I noticed this posting and thought I would comment.
I installed a Powerlet receptacle in the black kick panel directly below the left front part of the seat. The kits I used bring the wiring directly to the battery, the kit also has a in-line fuse. Powerlet plugs/receptacles are designed for the powersports industry and in fact are starting to become the industry standard for such. Their used on most European bikes and are being adopted by many others including John Deer tractors. They are viberation and waterproof. You can charge your bike through them, power your GPS, cell phone, and even use them for heated gear although I'm not sure that our Yeager wattage output can support much in the way of that but I'll be working on that part this fall.
The parts I used were PKT 60" un-terminated wiring kit, PSO-007 Low profile socket, and a PPC-018 Yussa/Battery adapter. I used the low profile kit because there is a clearence problems with the seat pan at the location I installed the socket. All of this is not cheap, runs about $68.00 for everythinging, however it looks like and has the quality of a factory installed item with no need to lift the seat to charge the battery and will come in very handy for charging and operation of various 12 volt items.
I hope some of this helps.
Ride well, ride safe!
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Appreciate the part numbers but I must have missed to whom they belong.
Karl
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[quote author=...If you put the cigarette lighter jack below the front of the seat, you'll have heat problems, since the top of the cylinder is right there, and you'll have an extra thing you'll have to disconnect / move out of the way when adjusting the valves or doing any engine work that requires removing that panel under the front of the seat. I can't think of a good alternate location that's protected from the elements, easily accessible, and protected from engine and exhaust heat, though...
[/quote] nplenzick, No heat problem?
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Appreciate the part numbers but I must have missed to whom they belong.
Karl
They are powerlet part numbers.
http://www.powerlet.com/products (http://www.powerlet.com/products)
Powerlet is definately the way to go. If you plan to use it much - I would suggest a Kuryakyn battery monitor also. It is led lit, so you can see it at night. Connect it to a switched power like the dash lights.
http://www.powersportsuperstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=4139580&Click=35177 (http://www.powersportsuperstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=4139580&Click=35177)
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[quote author=...If you put the cigarette lighter jack below the front of the seat, you'll have heat problems, since the top of the cylinder is right there, and you'll have an extra thing you'll have to disconnect / move out of the way when adjusting the valves or doing any engine work that requires removing that panel under the front of the seat. I can't think of a good alternate location that's protected from the elements, easily accessible, and protected from engine and exhaust heat, though...
nplenzick, No heat problem?
No heat problems what so ever. That location is pretty far from the head, it's just a few inches below the seat, not in the way one bite of valve adjustment, it simply unplugs from the back if you take the panel off. I've installed these in far hotter area's on other bikes. The main reason I installed it in that location is for heated gear. Most heated gear needs to be plugged in on your left . I'm not sure how much heated gear this scoot can power but I think it should do at least a pair of gloves.
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Thanks for the link, Justwanttoride! I went there and saw nothing about the outlet LOCKING the plug in the socket. I think this is necessary since bike vibration will allow the spring loaded center contact to push the plug out until power is either lost or intermittent.
Karl
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I've used powerlets on several bikes and never had one vibrate loose. They aren't a cigarette lighter socket - though they do also sell them. Powerlets do lock/snap in.
(http://www.bluerim.com.au/images/stories/ppl-002-deluxe.jpg) Powerlet
(http://www.bluerim.com.au/images/stories/cigarette-plug.jpg) Cigarette lighter
If your device only comes with a cigarette lighter plug - then you can use an adapter or do what I do and cut it off.
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Hey, thanks for steering me to the difference! I DID see that on the link and blew past it for the cig lighter receptacle. Yes, I would definitely change both to get there. Piece of cake! Thanks again!
Karl
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OK, I'm slow but now ready to do the install. Karl, where did you put it? I hope that there is space behind one of the leg shields. If any place else there will be a wire that I will surely kick. I will probably buy from a marine supply store. I have disconnected the under seat light (did not close the seat properly one time and found a dead battery), so I can go to that plug or right to the batt.
Richard L.
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Have not done anything yet. How you hook it up depends on your anticipated current drain: High current should go directly to the battery with an inline fuse. Low current ( cell phone, camera, etc.) could go to the Met-in light.
Karl
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Yeah, me too! I will post as soon as I get to it. Like in replacing the head lamp....
Karl
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UPDATE; I decided on the right side under the ignition switch. There is plenty of space. I've started running the wire but I have run into a little problem. I can't get the floorboard up. I have the 4 bolts out. I put my offset screwdriver under the board at one of the boltholes and tried to lift. But no joy. It won't come up. Is there something else holding it or should I try to force it? I used some force without moving it but, I don't want to pull too hard if something else is holding it. Any ideas?
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I ran into the same thing on a different project: took out floorboard bolts and the floorboard was still firmly attached! Don't know nuthin' just like Schultz!
Karl
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Karl, thanks for NUTHIN, but I think it is actually spelled nutin. Somebody must have removed the floorboard, they'll come on line. There can't be any screws from the bottom, it would have to go thru the tank.
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Hard to believe that no-one has ever removed the floorboards on a Kymco bike. It looks like I will be fishing a piece of 1/4 inch tubing under the floor and running the wire through it. Hopefully. it will not be too difficult. I'll let you all know.
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OK, the deed is done and the 12V outlet is fine with a 10A blade fuse. I ran 12-gauge wire from the positive side of the batt. I used a bunch of cable ties because I didn't want the wire bouncing around. As to the floorboards, I used the old fashioned wire coat hanger trick. In the middle of the cowl where they hide the VIN is a snap open door. I was able to reach my coat hanger thru it and pull the hanger up with a hook. I located the outlet below the ignition switch. I got the outlet at West Marine for $12. I ran the ground to a bolt about 6 inches away from the outlet. I drilled a starter hole and then used a keyhole saw. Without my arthritis, probably 2-3 hours, but for me 5 hours over 2 days. ;D
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This is what I used so that I don't have to drill holes anywhere. The MW38-192 is a cig lighter receptacle extension. I just cut off the cigarette lighter plug and connected the wires directly to the battery and ran the wires into the underseat utility box. I also connected and in-line fuse and an inline switch. With this, you don't have to worry also on where to place the unit. When not in use, just roll the wire and keep it in the box. It comes with a 1.5 meter. Very convenient.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/EZTEK-MW38-192-LEAD-12V-EXTENSION/dp/9792271937 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/EZTEK-MW38-192-LEAD-12V-EXTENSION/dp/9792271937)
Bought the MW38-192 for around $4.00 (different prices in other countries)