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Scooters - 125 to 300 => People 250 => Topic started by: orepicker on June 28, 2011, 03:52:11 AM
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I've owned a 2006 People 250 for a couple of years and basically love it. However I've been increasingly aware that it feels top heavy and have had a few incidents when it almost went over while parking or maneuvering in a tight spot. I base this on the radiator, fuel and water tanks near the top. It's wonderful on the road with enough power to keep up with traffic so I don't want to go back to a smaller air cooled scooter. Plus the larger wheels are great. I'm getting longer in the tooth with some back problems so I get a little nervous sometimes. Anyone else have an issue with this?
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I've owned a 2006 People 250 for a couple of years and basically love it. However I've been increasingly aware that it feels top heavy and have had a few incidents when it almost went over while parking or maneuvering in a tight spot. I base this on the radiator, fuel and water tanks near the top. It's wonderful on the road with enough power to keep up with traffic so I don't want to go back to a smaller air cooled scooter. Plus the larger wheels are great. I'm getting longer in the tooth with some back problems so I get a little nervous sometimes. Anyone else have an issue with this?
I have 250S and I do not think there is such thing as "top heavy", unless you are 4.5" high and weigh 100 lbs, so you cannot flat foot on the ground etc.
There are bikes on the road that weigh 500, 600, 700 or 800 lbs, yours is around 360, so it really should not be an issue.
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Let me re-phrase that. It feels like it has a rather high center of gravity.
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Let me re-phrase that. It feels like it has a rather high center of gravity.
Compared to a Buddy? Sure. Still, it's the overall weight that's making you nervous. Once it starts a fall, it's not easy to stop. It's a 367lb. beast. My buddy's Buell 1125S weighs less, and has almost 10x the horsepower.
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Well, I think I know what terdahl is getting at though. Yeah, I'm getting a little older and weaker too and my Xciting feels like it could sure get away from me if it begins to tip over. Actually it has. ::) Only two things I know to do about it. Work out with weights and get stronger -- (not too difficult really). Or go to a smaller lighter scooter. Or both.
I'm going to be seriously thinking about a Downtown 300 when time comes to let go of my Xciting. Stats seem to say it's around a hundred pounds lighter.
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It does not feel any different than other 200-250 cc 20 hp scoots I drove with large wheels.
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I sold my 500 lb. motorcycle for the same reason and got the S200 at about half the weight. This may not work for you, but I was sometimes riding with sneakers, but for safety I switched to a work boot with thick sole. I feel more secure when putting a foot down at a stop with the ankle support and a little extra height.
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I sold my 500 lb. motorcycle for the same reason and got the S200 at about half the weight. This may not work for you, but I was sometimes riding with sneakers, but for safety I switched to a work boot with thick sole. I feel more secure when putting a foot down at a stop with the ankle support and a little extra height.
Sneakers often have plastic soles and work boots/similar type of boots have real rubber boots, sometimes claimed to be also anti-slip resistant (to a degree....)
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Time to hit the gym?
Obviously, balance is key with motorbikes. Once you pass a certain point on almost any bike, your going down baby.
Sturdy boots make a big difference in balancing while not moving.
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... I've been increasingly aware that it feels top heavy ...
I thought that too. I only have the motorcycle dmv permit, and to pass the test to get license, you have to go around a small circle, at slow speed. I've been practicing, but it's nearly impossible, the bike feels top heavy, my arm muscles are very tight trying to take the tight turn, to no avail. Then again, I weigh 280+ pounds, so maybe it's my fault it's top heavy :o
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I thought that too. I only have the motorcycle dmv permit, and to pass the test to get license, you have to go around a small circle, at slow speed. I've been practicing, but it's nearly impossible, the bike feels top heavy, my arm muscles are very tight trying to take the tight turn, to no avail. Then again, I weigh 280+ pounds, so maybe it's my fault it's top heavy :o
It has nothing to do with "top heaviness", but with the fact that it does not have a clutch, so fine tuning the gas throttle and torque is almost impossible.
Doing tight turns, circles and eights as those on the motorcycle course is very difficult with cvt scooters.
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Doing tight turns and figure eights felt funny to me too at first, but over time I got better with experience. It felt like I was falling inward, but judicious throttle control helped.
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all the factors mentioned above can contribute to and be re mediated up to a point. weight strengthening and walking to build leg muscle would help based on my own experience....as well as good boots with ankle support.
re your road test....don't know exact wheel base of your scooter but would guess around 60 inches or there abouts....i would strongly suggest using a much smaller cc and one that you can control more easily re turns /cornering...if you have to negotiate cones.weave as i did you will find the larger wheel base will give you problems on the test.
check out locally... you can rent and they usually take you through the test...cost is reasonable....
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Another reason to wear good leather boots that go above the ankle is that if you do go down, you have protection!!! My friend was involved in a very serious accident several months ago, and the only thing that saved her foot was her boots.
And regarding the DMV motorcycle test, you might look to see if there is a MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) training course in your area. More and more training classes are offering scooters to train on, including some scooter 'only' courses. In Oregon they just started offering scooters as an option, and they are 125-150cc scoots with 10-12" wheels. If you pass the course in Oregon, you automatically get your DMV endorsement.
And personally, I like the smaller wheels and shorter wheel base. I have a Grandvista, and it foots the bill completely!
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It has nothing to do with "top heaviness", but with the fact that it does not have a clutch, so fine tuning the gas throttle and torque is almost impossible.
Doing tight turns, circles and eights as those on the motorcycle course is very difficult with cvt scooters.
It's not so bad really. Just hold on that back break and give her more throttle. You can also take a class and they'll put you on a little bike for the test. In fact a class would be a good idea if you are having trouble with slow speed stuff, they teach you how to do it and give you a bunch of pointers.
On the subject of top heavy, you should feel an MP3, 525+ lbs and that steering system has some weight. at least i can lock it when I'm at a standstill, but that doesn't help doing low speed stuff. One thing that helps is to look and focus where you expect to end up and not at your bike!
keep working that rear break the entire time and you'll get those circles down.
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I thought that too. I only have the motorcycle dmv permit, and to pass the test to get license, you have to go around a small circle, at slow speed. I've been practicing, but it's nearly impossible, the bike feels top heavy, my arm muscles are very tight trying to take the tight turn, to no avail. Then again, I weigh 280+ pounds, so maybe it's my fault it's top heavy :o
I took the MSF Course a few weeks back and Did it on a Vino 125, I weigh 375+ lb's. Needless to say i didn't go very fast (about 25-30 top speed) but as far a the slow speed maneuvering it wasn't all that difficult. I couldn't quite stay in the box when doing the figure 8 but i never dropped the scoot or put a foot down. The counterbalancing is really tough to get figured out because it feels like you going to drop the bike when first getting used to it. I did notice tho once you figure out the centrifugal clutch (its in the throttle) on a scoot (to find the grab point) and are able to keep the acceleration even it helps alot, when you need to slow down to go into the turn for the figure 8 drag the rear brake instead of letting off of the throttle. (this is what both instructors taught me). You would not want to do that in any other situation tho, throttle and brake and the same time is not good practice (except for that exercise or in a really tight u turn at SLOW speeds less than 5mph). Or maybe if facing up a hill so you dont roll back when you let off the brake, give it a little throttle before easing off the rear brake. I would suggest taking the MSF course, they teach you things that WILL save your life one day. Not to mention you learn how to counter balance and counter steer, two things i knew nothing about before taking the class.
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I have a KYMCO People 250 I had the same problem with mine I found out how to adjust the rear spring tention look in owner manual and if it is up to hi put it down mine was all the way down now it is in center and it works very well It rides diferent and hadles diferent when moving it by hand
I thought it was top heavy too but by changing the spring preset it workes fine
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Do you know that to complete a tight circle, you MUST keep your head and eyes aimed at where you want to go. Keep turning your head and eyes as the bike turns. It took me a while to get it. You will too.