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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Downtown 300 => Topic started by: woodbar on May 27, 2011, 06:39:47 PM
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There are no "running in" instructions (or "break in" as it's sometimes called) in the manual for my new Downtown 300i.
The dealer just suggests to keep it under 50mph until the first service (that's easier said than done with the main markings on the speedo in kph!) - but what I want to know are things like can you (should you?) use full throttle occasionally, is it OK to carry a pillion (extra load) etc. Perhaps I am just being too careful - I have heard that modern engines with close manufacturing tolerance don't actually need running in?
The other thing that concerns me is the mechanical sound of the bike. Yes the exhaust note is reasonable and the engine "thumps" along a bit at low revs (normal for a mid sized single pot) but there is an underlying constant sound I can only liken to a bearing race revolving in its housing (the "engineers" will know what I mean). I am assuming, at the moment, that this is the sound of the CVT and the centrifugal clutch doing their thing?
As this is the first CVT I have ever had - my "last" scooter was a Vespa SS180 (for those of you that are old enough to remember), then a few conventional bikes over the years - I not sure how this one should sound?
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Yes, you probably hear the CVT doing it's thing.. as far as full throttle and extra load goes, I
would say that it's even recommended, and the only thing to stay away from is keeping your
revs at the same point for a long time.
It's not like you can redline the bike, the CVT won't let you over 6000rpm 'till 60mph, and
that's still below the maximum power and torque revs.
I'd ride the bike from day one the way I'm gonna ride it for the rest of the time I own it, and
do the first oil change a bit sooner.
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Ditto........ I ride the bike like normal. Of course till the rings seat you want to avoid the red line but as mentioned you will never see it even WOT unless you throw it out a plane or the like.
The CVT will make noise but it shouldn't be obtrusive. Just like when you use engine breaking you will hear the mild whining of the drive etc.......................
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OK - thanks for the comments - perhaps I'll just stop worrying about it then and, as you suggest, drive it as normal.
I must say I am pretty impressed with the CVT - it seems to be able to "feather" the power in very nicely for tight turns etc. (not like a certain Honda I tested, of similar engine size, that seemed to be either ON or OFF power) - but when you twist, it certainly "goes"!
Only done about 150 miles so far so still getting used to it all.
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I just did the 1000K inspection / oil change on mine. I mostly run hi way at about 100K but have done wot to about 120 in a little burst then back down. Also varied from about 80 to 110 so as to not hold steady. On my People S125 for brake in I drove it like I stole it and after 30000K it is still running like new. JUst not fast enough for the hi way I now have to run.
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You will notice it gets better as you go. Once the rings seat and the engine breaks free you get alot more power. Also the CVT wears in too, I have noticed on a WOT recently the engine actually got to 8,000 RPM at 90 MPH indicated and it may have gone faster if I was patient. It was only a short WOT as I still only have 1,350 miles now and do not want to press it too hard.
The bike is running smoother and one up with my weight is much more than capable for my style of riding. Now that I'm done testing things out I find for takeoff I almost never need more than 25% throttle and most times not even that. As you mentioned the CVT responce is very smooth once you get used to the power band and how to apply the throttle.
Now The Honda Reflex I rode had no power issues with the CVT, then again even if it were an on/off situation you wouldn't really notice it too much as there was n ot much power to speak of. The reflex felt similar to the DT but with more leg room, quite a bit more wallow and no where near the power.
The CVT is a bit noisier that the Reflex and even the MP3, that race noise you speak of. It is not obnoxious just you can tell it is there. Conrgats on the scoot and enjoy yours, I'm having a blast on mine................
I just did the 1000K inspection / oil change on mine. I mostly run hi way at about 100K but have done wot to about 120 in a little burst then back down. Also varied from about 80 to 110 so as to not hold steady. On my People S125 for brake in I drove it like I stole it and after 30000K it is still running like new. JUst not fast enough for the hi way I now have to run.
Yeah, this bike just loves 100KPH...................
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OK, I,m looking forward to all that extra power then - seems pretty reasonable at the moment and yes I am enjoying it.
My route to choosing the 300i was some test rides (all second hand with some miles on):-
Honda PCX125 - liked the design but physically too small for me and not enough go
Honda SH300 - really only to try something with bigger wheels - did not like the ride, I was surprised it seemed "jittery" - not good at sharp turns, too fierce a take-up from the clutch - would need to wear a disguise driving it!
xciting 500i - very nice bike - plenty of power - plenty of storage etc. I was very tempted to buy this one but it was so huge!
So, I was hoping the Downtown 300i would be very similar to the xciting but a bit smaller, with better power to weight ratio - so took the plunge and bought a new one having never driven it, although I did sit on one a few times first just to check the fit.
So far so good. I would like a bit more wind protection though as the chin guard of my helmet seems to get the full force of the air from the top of the screen. I notice Givi do a replacement screen which extends out the sides to sheild the handgrips - does anyone know whether it is also taller or gives a better flow etc? I'm 5'11" with 32" inseam.
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So far so good. I would like a bit more wind protection though as the chin guard of my helmet seems to get the full force of the air from the top of the screen. I notice Givi do a replacement screen which extends out the sides to sheild the handgrips - does anyone know whether it is also taller or gives a better flow etc? I'm 5'11" with 32" inseam.
It is 6 inches taller. I have one ordered, eta mid June. I am 6'2" and at 100K I get bugs about 1/2 way up my face plate.
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OK, I,m looking forward to all that extra power then - seems pretty reasonable at the moment and yes I am enjoying it.
My route to choosing the 300i was some test rides (all second hand with some miles on):-
Honda PCX125 - liked the design but physically too small for me and not enough go
Honda SH300 - really only to try something with bigger wheels - did not like the ride, I was surprised it seemed "jittery" - not good at sharp turns, too fierce a take-up from the clutch - would need to wear a disguise driving it!
xciting 500i - very nice bike - plenty of power - plenty of storage etc. I was very tempted to buy this one but it was so huge!
So, I was hoping the Downtown 300i would be very similar to the xciting but a bit smaller, with better power to weight ratio - so took the plunge and bought a new one having never driven it, although I did sit on one a few times first just to check the fit.
So far so good. I would like a bit more wind protection though as the chin guard of my helmet seems to get the full force of the air from the top of the screen. I notice Givi do a replacement screen which extends out the sides to sheild the handgrips - does anyone know whether it is also taller or gives a better flow etc? I'm 5'11" with 32" inseam.
I'm also 5'11" and had a huge issue with the stock screen.
Don't forget that shorter screens would work better too, not just the bigger ones.
BTW, I'd love to hear your comparo on Downtown 300 vs Xciting 500i!
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Mine does not seem too bad, yes it could be 2-3" higher and it would be perfect for me at 5'11". I ride with a face guard so it is not too much of an issue but if I scrunch down 3" or so I loose alot of the wind turbulance and noise. The Givi windshield is 6" higher though...............
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Mine does not seem too bad, yes it could be 2-3" higher and it would be perfect for me at 5'11". I ride with a face guard so it is not too much of an issue but if I scrunch down 3" or so I loose alot of the wind turbulance and noise. The Givi windshield is 6" higher though...............
I've tried probably over 10 different scoots in the last few years with windscreens and this one is THE worst of them all, even with the most quiet helmet out there (Schuberth).
While I could live with most of the turbulent ones, this one would have to go ASAP.
I wish I tried it without the windscreen, it's probably easy to remove.
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To me it seemed no worse than the Honda Reflex..............
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woodbar, I am fairly new to the 300i also and I talked about noises and vibrations a while back. Especially pulling out, vibration and the shakes! Problem here really is the service hasn't had any of these units until mine so it's like shooting in the dark. I am not a mechanic and I hope more of these are sold here soon.
One thing I do dislike is if once you get moving and you let off the throttle and then got back to throttle, the unit jumps even trying to throttle very easily. This is especially bad going around corners where you have to slow down and than throttle up a bit.
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woodbar, I am fairly new to the 300i also and I talked about noises and vibrations a while back. Especially pulling out, vibration and the shakes! Problem here really is the service hasn't had any of these units until mine so it's like shooting in the dark. I am not a mechanic and I hope more of these are sold here soon.
One thing I do dislike is if once you get moving and you let off the throttle and then got back to throttle, the unit jumps even trying to throttle very easily. This is especially bad going around corners where you have to slow down and than throttle up a bit.
As far as virations and shakes I haven't noticed anything more that what a low RPM engagement of a thumper would provide. Not sure how other examples are.
When I first go the amchine it seemed to have the jump here too. It doesn't seem to have that anymore but I am not sure why it did in the first place. It could also be I've become used to the amount of feathering the throttle to start acceleration again............
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woodbar, I am fairly new to the 300i also and I talked about noises and vibrations a while back. Especially pulling out, vibration and the shakes! Problem here really is the service hasn't had any of these units until mine so it's like shooting in the dark. I am not a mechanic and I hope more of these are sold here soon.
One thing I do dislike is if once you get moving and you let off the throttle and then got back to throttle, the unit jumps even trying to throttle very easily. This is especially bad going around corners where you have to slow down and than throttle up a bit.
How much milage do you have on it? It seems that when it is new the clutch cuts in really early and you can feel the engin firing. As it wears in a bit it smooths out. I am just coming up on 1600K and all the things you talk about are improving daily. Unless you have a lot of milage on it, I wouldn't worry about it yet.
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Sorry I did not reply promptly Syl - not had the PC on for a few days.
Anyway, I agree with the previous comments. I've only done about 300 miles so far and I can't really relate to the "jumping" you describe. You have to be very careful to feather the throttle in a tight slow speed turn otherwise you feel the full "thump" of torque from the single pot.
The only problem I seem to have at the moment is when needing to accelerate from a gentle cruise of about 40 to 50mph the engine seems to get "bogged down" and takes a while to decide to up the power and revs - but I will wait and see what it's like with a few more miles on!
Changing the subject slightly - I took the spark plug out yesterday just to have a look and see whether it was running OK - I am pleased to say it was the best "text-book" picture of health I have ever seen - lovely medium tan colour on the insulator. While it was out I took the opportunity to replace it with the Iridium version - CR7E-IX, see what that one does.
Just an update on some previous posts - I've taken the plunge and ordered the Givi screen (How much? - ouch!) - not sure if the supplier actually has stock, hopefully I will find out tomorrow.
Finally, I was just cleaning the bike - the farmers here seem to like to put as much "manure" on the local roads as they do on their fields - and I noticed the right hand handlebar cluster (the bit with the starter, engine kill and lighting switch) is a little loose - you can rotate it on the bar a little - maybe 1/16" - is this normal or do I have something coming loose? By the way, my dealer had another Downtown in to replace the one he sold me - that one has a Hazard Switch behind the engine kill switch - I lucked out again!
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Thanks woodbar for your notes on the subjects posted. I have 800 and some miles on at present and I thought some of the items I spoke of are somewhat better but I am not really sure of that. I am to a point of thinking that vibration, jumping and some rattling noise from the fron end are normal in this unit. Putting it this way, I really enjoy the 300i but several things as mentioned still bother me. I have had many good comments from people as for the appearance of this scooter and of course price is another question from them. There have been posts on the seating wishing the driver back part went back further to give more leg room. I am used to the way it is even though I am 6' 1'' 245-50 lbs. If I had to buy over again, I would buy a 300i again. I like the price, the power, convenience, and the looks. I see my dealer has a orange/red 300i on the floor and I am hoping a local will purchase it so we can relate. They started it up for me and I noted that it sounded as mine if that means anything! Anyway, good luck with yours woodbar. I am located 25 miles N. of Pittsburgh, PA.
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I was just up in Hawley PA., still quite a bit off from you. I have found the seating position moves back a tad over time. I am much more comfotable with the seat now.
As far as that I just did 7+ hours on the bike. 3 1/2 up to PA and 3 1/2 back to NJ. 2.5 hours in between sitting at the bank there too. I have to say the seat to me is awesome. Abosolutely no back, butt or leg pain. The legs are a little stiff from sitting that long b ut my legs arre worse from just one hour in the cage.
I had 1/2 a tank when I left this morning and filled about 70 miles into the ride. the rest of the ride on a tank yielded 80 MPG. That was 65 miles at 70+ MPH and 171 miles of 45-55 MPH and of the 171 miles 100 of it up and down hills with twisties in PA at those speeds. Just a fantastic ride................
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There are no "running in" instructions (or "break in" as it's sometimes called) in the manual for my new Downtown 300i.
I'm getting my DT300i tomorrow, but got already a pdf version of the owners manual from Kymco Canada.
Page 26:
Initial 600 km (300 miles) less then 1/2 throttle
Up to 1000 km (600 miles) less then 3/4 throttle
Thus I plan to take it slow for the first 500 km (which is closer to 300 miles!) Staying of the HW anyway for the first 60 days due to my new Motorcycle license.
It does advice to vary the speed, don't let the engine generate excessive heat and not keep it on low load for a prolonged time either.
(My phone does not let me copy from the pdf file right now, otherwise I would have copied the whole page...)
If there is interest and a place to upload the manual? I will do so...
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On line owners manual;
Kymco Downtown 300i (http://www.scribd.com/doc/19505506/Kymco-Downtown-300i#)
On line shop manual;
Kymco Downtown 300i Shop Manual (http://www.scribd.com/doc/18793545/Kymco-Downtown-300i-EN#)
I broke mine in not quite to break in procedures, a few WOT's. I can tell you mthough the scooter is great even at 50% throttle. To get on and occasionally pass at intrstate you may get into a bit more than the 50% but you will rarely need too. These bikes have great power for what they are.
Congrats on the new bike and enjoy it in good health..................
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On line owners manual;
Kymco Downtown 300i (http://www.scribd.com/doc/19505506/Kymco-Downtown-300i#)
On line shop manual;
Kymco Downtown 300i Shop Manual (http://www.scribd.com/doc/18793545/Kymco-Downtown-300i-EN#)
I broke mine in not quite to break in procedures, a few WOT's. I can tell you mthough the scooter is great even at 50% throttle. To get on and occasionally pass at intrstate you may get into a bit more than the 50% but you will rarely need too. These bikes have great power for what they are.
Congrats on the new bike and enjoy it in good health..................
Thanks for posting the manual Links )RC(
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I have been told that the engine block itself is developed using BMW technology. There is no sleeve in the block, so the tolerance should be quite tight. Was told that running in is not necessary. I rode normally for the first 63miles and went WOT at 87mph. No problems so far ;D
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I have been told that the engine block itself is developed using BMW technology. There is no sleeve in the block, so the tolerance should be quite tight. Was told that running in is not necessary. I rode normally for the first 63miles and went WOT at 87mph. No problems so far ;D
I can tell you the engine does free up over time. I haven't found a need not to run in as I would drive normally. Of course you have to do this at your own risk but at 4,500+ miles I have had no issues as well.
I was leary about the synthetic on the first 600 mile change but all is fine with that as well. 87 MPH was ny rist WOT run as well but as it loosened 92MPH indicated could be attained. I haven't tried though for quite a while for top speed, experimenting period is over for me.
I am looking to get a washable air filter, top box and windscreen and then I am done other than maybe 20x12 15GR rollers at a later point but I want to see the bikes behaviour with the other addons first.