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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: Aaronk on January 29, 2011, 11:48:19 AM

Title: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Aaronk on January 29, 2011, 11:48:19 AM
well my electric start isn't working at all lol could it be due to the cdi box? i think i didn't cover it up properly and it got wet inside but it kickstarts any ideas?
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: thebatman on January 29, 2011, 12:10:22 PM
Hey man.... If your scoot is still kick starting, it's not the cdi...
You need to check the starter relay to make sure it's operating. (on some you can hear it click)
Check the starter itself.. They are known to go out on some ags, several members that were here(like me)  have replaced the starter multiple times.. I have been told that the 4t is way harder on a starter than a 2t... Hope this helps....... ;)
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Aaronk on January 29, 2011, 12:13:49 PM
i click the button in nothing no noise
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: thebatman on January 29, 2011, 12:24:59 PM
I just checked mine also. It didnt make any...hmmmm. some you can hear it tho....
If you have a meter, check the relay for power,continuaty
It's gonna be one or the other, of course the relay is cheaper to replace..
Some ppl have even claimed to have this rebiult but the shops here say no.
If you check the dimensions of the starter, you may be able to use any gy6 starter.(or at least swap out the "bushings"into your scooter)
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Aaronk on January 29, 2011, 12:27:07 PM
K thanks I can use kickstart for now anyways thanks for help
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Loomin on January 30, 2011, 07:24:47 AM
I have similar problem...when i pushed button no click no start.
I bought a new starter and relay installed them and nothing.
Tested old starter and relay to find fully fuctional.
The relay has 12v so the problem is  somewhere between the button and the relay. Now all I have to do is trace the 2 feet of wire ::) and dissasemble the stering column :(.
I will update you when I find the fix ;)
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: axy on January 30, 2011, 01:23:05 PM
I have similar problem...when i pushed button no click no start.
I bought a new starter and relay installed them and nothing.
Tested old starter and relay to find fully fuctional.
The relay has 12v so the problem is  somewhere between the button and the relay. Now all I have to do is trace the 2 feet of wire ::) and dissasemble the stering column :(.
I will update you when I find the fix ;)


Did you check two glass fuses in the floor board?
Replace them first even if they look OK.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: blue on January 30, 2011, 01:33:25 PM
also check the wires going to and from the elc starter. sometimes just cleaning all your wires help.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Loomin on January 30, 2011, 01:49:02 PM
I just replaced fuses but still nothing :-\
I cleaned all the wires on the starter when I took it apart for cleaning/replacement.
When i push the start button the relay switch doesn't close and allow the current to move through.
Which tells me the problem has to be somewhere between the button and the relay.
What are the fuses in the floorboard for?
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: axy on January 30, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
I just replaced fuses but still nothing :-\
I cleaned all the wires on the starter when I took it apart for cleaning/replacement.
When i push the start button the relay switch doesn't close and allow the current to move through.
Which tells me the problem has to be somewhere between the button and the relay.
What are the fuses in the floorboard for?

Forget the fuses, if you replaced them, it's not the issue.
It still could be CDI though.

I had problems both with fuses several times on my gf's A125 and with CDI (just reconnected the jack even though it looked OK, the scoot fired up right after I disconnected and reconnected it - could be that disconnecting it empties some capacitor circuits inside).

Try that if you already did not.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Loomin on January 31, 2011, 12:38:18 PM
axy,

the scoot fires up fine with kick but i need the elec starter to work for my wife.
i looked at the wire diagram but I think i just have too take apart the start switch.
Please chime in if youall got any more tips.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: axy on January 31, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
axy,

the scoot fires up fine with kick but i need the elec starter to work for my wife.
i looked at the wire diagram but I think i just have too take apart the start switch.
Please chime in if youall got any more tips.

Start switch died under warranty too on her scoot. :)
Check also micro switches that actuate brake levers.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Loomin on February 01, 2011, 10:38:00 AM
What needs to come off to allow access to the start switch?
Is there a manual that shows this or can someone give me a heads up ;)
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: codger78 on February 01, 2011, 01:24:59 PM
I can't count the times that I have been able to solve similar situations with electrical and electronic circuits using TV tuner/control cleaner and lubricant (spray can....$11 at your local Radio Shack store) for friends and relatives who were ready to toss in the towel...The can I have now has lasted for many years (just a quick spritz will do it.....and a little patience,because it takes a minute or two to work)
And because it is a spray you can aim it into and through tight areas without disconecting or removing a lot of casing, etc.
To avoid the problem to begin with (also) use WD-40 to dispel water and moisture in corrosion sensitive areas.....especially if the scoot is stored outside.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: axy on February 01, 2011, 01:45:20 PM
What needs to come off to allow access to the start switch?
Is there a manual that shows this or can someone give me a heads up ;)

Send me your email address.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: axy on February 01, 2011, 01:46:36 PM
I can't count the times that I have been able to solve similar situations with electrical and electronic circuits using TV tuner/control cleaner and lubricant (spray can....$11 at your local Radio Shack store) for friends and relatives who were ready to toss in the towel...The can I have now has lasted for many years (just a quick spritz will do it.....and a little patience,because it takes a minute or two to work)
And because it is a spray you can aim it into and through tight areas without disconecting or removing a lot of casing, etc.
To avoid the problem to begin with (also) use WD-40 to dispel water and moisture in corrosion sensitive areas.....especially if the scoot is stored outside.

Using WD 40 and similar stuff often resolves issues, but also creates new down the road, because it washes away grease lubricant inside many mechanical parts.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Loomin on February 02, 2011, 02:42:33 PM
I use wd as a grease/grime remover, but you definitely have to be careful were you spray it.
As far as electrical connections go wd is great at expelling water and has no problem conducting electricity. 
I believe I have a faulty component which wd won't really help with.
I got a knockoff startswitch/headlight assembly for 9.9 euros, hope this is the fix.
Thanks to AXY i have a manual and will be disassembling the steering colom this weekend to replace
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: Loomin on February 04, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
Electric starter is working great....Thanks for all the help you guys/girls.
AXY the manual was priceless, without it i would have never figured out the start switch itself had gone bad.
Title: Re: CDI and Electric Start
Post by: codger78 on February 08, 2011, 07:44:09 PM
AXY....You are right, and I should have made it clear where WD40 should not be sprayed.
Owning my own home and needing to be handy with repairs to save money I do use a number of different kinds and weights of lubs.  It just makes good sense to be up on what todays market has to offer.  A few pennies worth of lub ahead of time can save you a lot of problems later on............Cheers  ;D ;D ;D