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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Downtown 300 => Topic started by: streetdown on December 18, 2010, 05:01:53 AM
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Just picked up my Downtown 300i tonight! Am I the only one who has one?
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I posted about mine back in July. http://kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=2555.0 (http://kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=2555.0) For various reasons I haven't been riding it much lately.
And congratulations on yours.
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Damn just two of us?
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Hey congrats! We want lots of pics and reports and video to please....
I'm trying to get my dealer to bring one in after the first of the year so i can see one up close. I'm thinking that may be my next scoot.
What color did you get?
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I got the burnt orange. I will try to video Sunday .
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Nice. I'll be interested to see that orange. That's the color i would probably go for.
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Hey, Congrats on your new scoot, streetdown!
And welcome to the forum!!
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I really want one. I may have the opportunity to test ride one here very soon. The dealer 400 miles away has one but that is too far for me to go for a test ride.
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Just took a bunch of pics cant download keeps saying to large. Oh Well
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Post your pics on a free photo hosting site like Photobucket.com. Then copy the direct link code for the photo and paste it here after clicking the insert image button. Paste it between the brackets that show up. You'll have to open a free account on the photo hosting site.
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Heck... just post one link to the catalog and I will look at the catalog there...
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http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff396/John_Gorski/100_0329.jpg?t=1292907981 (http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff396/John_Gorski/100_0329.jpg?t=1292907981)
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I just posted a link to a pic of my Downtown 3oo, Did it work?
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Yes, the link works. But you can include the picture directly in your post by copying the link, after removing everything after .jpg, and inserting it between the img and /img you get when you click on the small Insert Image icon. Second from the left above the row of emoticons.
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff396/John_Gorski/100_0329.jpg)
Haven't seen that colour before. Is that a new one for the North American market?
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Yes the link works. Thanks for the pic! ! Know you're feeling happy as can be right now. ;D
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Do you have any other photos you would like to share?
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(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff396/John_Gorski/100_0326.jpg)
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@ artig. Would you say that, other than higher seat height, the riding position is more similar to the "lounge chair" or "recliner" position of Burgman/Silverwing/TMax scooters, vs. the more upright positions of 125cc and 250cc class scooters?
May I ask your height ..... and how you would compare the legroom of the Downtown vs. Burgman/Silverwing/TMax scooters, and also vs. 125cc and 250cc class scooters.
You commented in your July thread that the Downtown has better acceleration to 80 kph than the Burgman, but lags the Burgman after 100 kph, and won't top 140 kph WOT. Are you disappointed with this performance? Has performance improved with time?
I have a SYM Citycom 300i, and it's fair IMO to say that the Downtown is Kymco's response to the Citycom and to the Honda SH300. Have you ridden a Citycom? If so, how would you compare them? The Citycom tops out about 130 kph, but the Downtown claims 38% more horsepower than the Citycom. It seems that the Downtown doesn't deliver significantly better performance.
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I don't have much recent experience of scooters, other than the Burgman 400 and the Downtown. About 45 years ago I had a Triumph Tigress and a small CZ. Otherwise it has been bikes. So I can't really give a definitive comparison with other scooters.
The riding position on the Downtown is more upright than the Burgman, mostly due to the limited footspace and legroom. You can't put your feet up like you can on the Burgman and the Silverwing. I'm about 172 cm, with shorter legs/longer torso than average.
I haven't yet checked the speed with a GPS, and there have been limited opportunities for checking if it will exceed 140 km/h with a longer run. If you get caught in NZ doing over 140 it's instant loss of license and you get to walk home, so a little care is required. There has been no noticeable performance improvement with time, but then as mentioned I haven't used it much recently. I'm not disappointed with the performance. I have two bikes to satisfy my performance needs, with the Citycom relegated to 'shopping trolley' duties.
I've seen various values for Downtown power output. The manual claims it develops 29ps at 8500 rpm with max torque of 2.7kg.m at 6500 rpm. If you run with WOT it won't exceed about 6000 rpm until you hit about 100 km/h, so max power is more or less unattainable at 'normal' speeds.
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Thanks for the reply. It appears that the SYM Citycom remains the "sit up and beg" scooter of choice for taller folks. With the Citycom, there a common mod in which the "helmet dome" is excised from the seat pan, which gives another 5" (~13cm) of seating distance from the handlebars. Ergos are just as important on a scooter as on a road bike (I, too, ride bicycles more than scooters or motorcycles; my car is rarely used.). The Citycom could use more power with two up (it's superb with one up, even in the mountains), so it looks like I'm still waiting for the long-rumoured T-Max 750.
If you want an experienced scooter riding partner, google "Kiwiscoot" and "Christchurch". (Not "Kiwiscoota"). He does 1600 km rides on his Citycom. He invented the seat pan mod... he's 6'4".
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Hi Folks,
I've also had a burnt orange since early November. I've thoroughly enjoyed it and have meticulously broken it in during the first 600 miles. Unfortunately, due to my ruptured disc (in my neck), I'll have to sell the scoot. I should be receiving the title from the state any time now and will then post it for sale on the appropriate section.
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Bummer, CoolD. :( Well, welcome to the forum anyway and Merry Christmas! Where are you located?
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Hi and thanks. Merry Christmas to all and Happy Holidays.
I'm in Houston, TX.
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I traded in my 2008 Grandvista for the Downtown 300. I gotta say the Downtown wins! It handles so much better than the GV!
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My dealer has some and I saw them when I was picking up my s8... I was very surprised by the size of that thing. Looks so nice...
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I am waiting, we are getting them in Canada this summer. My dealer is not to excited about bringing one in so I am considering going out to Ottawa on a holiday and bringing one back. How is it for comfort at first? Would you be able to do a long road trip with it at first?
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I'm glad to see I'm not alone with my Downtown! Now cant wait till they start with some after market stuff!
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If you look around, there are some accessories for this bike. It has been released for a while in several other countries. Shad has topcase mounting plate support that is compatible. Givi does also and there were some soft side cases and tunnel bags.
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streetdown, I purchased my 300 just some weeks ago, silver. Possibly read "My first 300 ride". So far, great scooter.
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TechGuy, days ago I was going to purchase a (SHAD) box but the dealer couldn't come up with any word from SHAD that they had mounting hardware for the 300. I know the mounting plate from GIVI comes with some very stable hardware but is not cheap. I had the SHAD 40 box on my S200 and compatable mounting hardware. Needed something a bit larger for the 300 so am looking at the GIVI V46. Been wondering if Kymco made any changes or addition's from the 2010 to the 2011?
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Here is the the mounting kit I believe should work on the US models. The Downtown is also called the GrandDink in many other countries and was released at least one model year earlier than to the US market.
(http://www.shad.es/imagenes/a_shad1072.jpg)
This is the installation guide: http://www.shad.es/descargas/shad195.pdf (http://www.shad.es/descargas/shad195.pdf)
Model number: kosp19st
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Here is the the mounting kit I believe should work on the US models. The Downtown is also called the GrandDink in many other countries and was released at least one model year earlier than to the US market.
(http://www.shad.es/imagenes/a_shad1072.jpg)
This is the installation guide: http://www.shad.es/descargas/shad195.pdf (http://www.shad.es/descargas/shad195.pdf)
Model number: kosp19st
GrandDink? I've seen the name 'Super Dink' in Spain, Grand Dink should be something else
(GrandVista/GV=GrandDink here).
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Where does that bit that hangs down, under the box, behind the tail light attatch to?
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Where does that bit that hangs down, under the box, behind the tail light attach to?
To mount "the bit that hangs down"... You remove a plate from below the tail light, place a paper template over the removed plate to mark the plastic, drill an 18 mm hole and then mount a stabilizing plate under the plastic. The plastic trim mounts over the stabilizer plate and then the mounting rails attach to the stabilizer plate (through the trim piece with the new drilled hole) using a bushing that fits in the hole. See the above link for the instruction sheet.
As to the name... I guess it was the Super Dink. my mistake.
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Ya, it's super dink in some places and the 125 version is known as the Dink Street. I wonder if they are planning on getting rid of the Yager and making the Downtown line-up the standard for the sportier scoots.
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Ya, it's super dink in some places and the 125 version is known as the Dink Street. I wonder if they are planning on getting rid of the Yager and making the Downtown line-up the standard for the sportier scoots.
I hope they don't since they're rather different and a lot of people would prefer the smaller
and lighter Yager.
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I hope they don't since they're rather different and a lot of people would prefer the smaller
and lighter Yager.
One would "prefer" 15 hp instead of 30 hp only if one would not have enough money to afford 30 hp. :)
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One would "prefer" 15 hp instead of 30 hp only if one would not have enough money to afford 30 hp. :)
Um, no, I said smaller, not less power.
I feel sick to my stomach when I gotta take the kawasaki to the city center, not to mention
with a passanger, it's a huge pain compared to ANY smaller scoot.
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They probably won't it seems to me that if you go to Kymco's main site, they are really getting rid of the 250 line. With the power of that new 300 engine, no one is really going to choose the 250. 50,125,200,300,500 is a pretty decent spacing. To me though, for the US market at least, they could get rid of either the 125 or 200 class. Both are decent city engines but even the 200s are barely highway worthy. After having the Yager for most of a year, I really wish that the 300s had been around so that I wouldn't have to be making this trade right now.
It just seems like city-only people would be fine with a 125 and people that want to be able to do highway really need the 300. The 200 just seems like a catch-22 for the American road.
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I have ridden my 125 for 3 years to work on the highway but it is borderline. 30,000 k on it now. I have just ordered my dt300i a couple of weeks ago. Hope it will be here in a couple more weeks. Might even be able to ride it by then. A lot of ice and drifting snow today again. Some spring!
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As for the scooters in Kymco's line-up, I think they will keep a wide range of scooters going. They sell in lots of different countries and have different sized scooters for lots different reasons. I think they will keep most of the existing 250cc scooters until they get a mandate for the larger 300 cc scooters. They already have the engineering paid for in these scooters and will continue to make them as long as people continue to buy them. To my knowledge, the core engine is the same in the P250, GV250 and X250. I could see them dropping the Xciting 250; but who knows.
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As of right now on kymco.com, they no longer have a 250 class of scooters, people and Xc are the 300 engine now, and the GV only comes in a 50 or 125 package. My guess is the only reason they still have the 250s on the US site is due to overstock. If the DT does well, which i bet it will with gas prices this summer, I bet you see the remainders get slashed and the other 300's hit shores quickly!
Also, all of my comments should be taken from an American perspective since I can only comment on the riding culture here. Smaller countries that are lacking high speed infrastructure obviously have less use for the large scoots.
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Takes me back away's on one of my early post's on here, I was looking for a 2011, Peoples 250 and I couldn't find any. I phoned a particular place and was told that the exporting of the People's will be down to nothing this year but the 2010's were still around. Looks like that is exactly what is going on. That led me to checking out a new 2011 DT 300i sitting in the dealership and I was sold on it. I will never degrade the S200 People's I had, it was to me as it was.....fun, great mileage, look's...but I needed a bit more power. When I purchased the S200 in 2010, the unit was a new 2009 and I did not want to get into that year difference this time. I am enjoying the 2011 DT 300i other than a few question's yet to get ironed out and the crazy weather start's to be Spring pretty soon! No big decision for me in purchasing the DT 300i over the Vista. Further, with many great people on this Forum, wished it were possible to have a gathering with all the friendship and knowledge to be gained. I am a Kymco Fan!
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Yup, Syl - same thing with the GV... NO 2011's in stock... but they are still overstocked on the 2010's... hard to tell if they are just trying to clear inventory or they are on their way out the door...
I think scooter sales are very, very slow... all the Vespa dealers gone out of business, big dealerships minimizing their scooter stock...
yowsa.
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Um, no, I said smaller, not less power.
I feel sick to my stomach when I gotta take the kawasaki to the city center, not to mention
with a passanger, it's a huge pain compared to ANY smaller scoot.
It is the narrow and short seat and narrow wheelbase. I experienced the same when I had Kawasaki and preferred to drive two up on Beverly - it was much more comfortable.
Unless we are talking about two anorexic midgets, two people cannot fit comfortably on most small displacement bikes. (small .eq. <900 cc)
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As for the scooters in Kymco's line-up, I think they will keep a wide range of scooters going. They sell in lots of different countries and have different sized scooters for lots different reasons. I think they will keep most of the existing 250cc scooters until they get a mandate for the larger 300 cc scooters. They already have the engineering paid for in these scooters and will continue to make them as long as people continue to buy them. To my knowledge, the core engine is the same in the P250, GV250 and X250. I could see them dropping the Xciting 250; but who knows.
The Xciting 250 was replaced by the XC 300Ri here (Croatia) at least 2, maybe even 3 years ago.
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The Xciting 250 was replaced by the XC 300Ri here (Croatia) at least 2, maybe even 3 years ago.
I fail to understand its meaning, with 23.5 hp. Why would someone buy XC 300 and not Downtown 300 and get "free" extra 6.5 hp at almost the same price?
Why would they have 300 cc engines with such a difference in output anyway?
To be honest, I see Xcitings 250/500 all the time but never saw a single 300...
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I fail to understand its meaning, with 23.5 hp. Why would someone buy XC 300 and not Downtown 300 and get "free" extra 6.5 hp at almost the same price?
Why would they have 300 cc engines with such a difference in output anyway?
To be honest, I see Xcitings 250/500 all the time but never saw a single 300...
There's a few of them here and I see a few owners on local forums (motori.hr).
And to answer your question.. just like asking why you bought the ZR7S and not the
Fazer and got 30hp more, better suspension and brakes etc.. the price difference was
minor.
They're similar, but still different bikes, and I'd still rather get the ZR7.
The Downtown and XCiting are supposedly very different to ride.
I've ridden the Xciting, and will probably be trying out a Downtown if it survives the
next 10 days in Split, but I've seen a lot of people comparing the two.
The Xciting is stiff, a lot more sporty, has bigger wheels and different seating position/style.
It should be a sporty scooter, like the Gilera Nexus.
The Downtown however aims at GT scooters like the Burgman 400/Majesty 400 with more
wind protection, comfort etc.. but yeah, the Xciting is falling behind.
The Xciting 300 isn't even a real 300, like the Piaggio stuff, and the Downtown's new G5
engine is something completely different and it would be logical to see it in the next generation
of Xciting.
I don't think they made the Xciting 300 because they really wanted to, but more to meet the
exhaust stuff regulations and still have an mid sized Xciting to offer in various markets.
The big difference here is the carbs vs fuel injection in the 250 vs 300 equation.
But yeah, at current prices, I don't care if the Downtown has 1" smaller wheels or
anything else, 23 vs 30hp makes all the difference in the world at those low power
outputs.
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There's a few of them here and I see a few owners on local forums (motori.hr).
And to answer your question.. just like asking why you bought the ZR7S and not the
Fazer and got 30hp more, better suspension and brakes etc.. the price difference was
minor.
They're similar, but still different bikes, and I'd still rather get the ZR7.
I would not. I tried to buy Fazer first (more like +15 hp more, not 30 at the time), but it was not available anywhere in Croatia at the time (August 2002!!!) because everything that was imported was sold for that year (you know there are no imports after the summer...). Then I tried to buy Bandit 600 or Hornet 600, they were all sold too.
So, ZR-7S was the only option and I did not buy it here, I had it imported directly from DKS in Slovenia.
I had a cap of 63.000 Kn at the time, and had to fit a bike, insurance, "kasko" and top case, and I did it. :)
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Btw. from TODAY, on Croatian market you can order People 300 GT, with 28 hp I think.
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Btw. from TODAY, on Croatian market you can order People 300 GT, with 28 hp I think.
Maybe buy, not order.. you could have ordered it since it was online (kymco.hr), and it's been
a while. I'd love to try it, but I'm still more interested in the Downtown.
I've had a test ride on a new Beverly 300, very impressive, but not for me.
Review is here:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672207 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672207)
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Maybe buy, not order.. you could have ordered it since it was online (kymco.hr), and it's been
a while. I'd love to try it, but I'm still more interested in the Downtown.
I've had a test ride on a new Beverly 300, very impressive, but not for me.
Review is here:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672207 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672207)
"DOSTUPAN U PRODAJI OD 28.03.2011!"
Btw. I am not going above 5000 US$ for a new scoot of any kind. I would rather shell out twice that for a bike that tops around 230-240 km/h and does 0-100 in 3 secs.
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"DOSTUPAN U PRODAJI OD 28.03.2011!"
Btw. I am not going above 5000 US$ for a new scoot of any kind. I would rather shell out twice that for a bike that tops around 230-240 km/h and does 0-100 in 3 secs.
Too bad we could get a Burgman 400 for under $5k in USA..
I need a scooter, I'd love to have a bike too, but I don't NEED that.
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I need a scooter, I'd love to have a bike too, but I don't NEED that.
Amen to that, the Downtown that I am looking at is sitting right next to a Honda Shadow RS. There is no rational reason that makes the Shadow better than the Downtown, but damn it, it is one beautiful bike and I WANT it. >:(
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Just an opinion from one who learn's from this forum and some personal feeling's, I am really happy that I purchased a DT 300i. Why, well first off it was just about $5,000.00, very good looking unit, plenty of power (am not a speedster), can just ride around town locally having fun and still feel good about getting on most bigger highway's. Most of all, you'll be within a great group of people (scooter rooter's) on here for advise and knowledge. Of course if one has that kind of money, he buy's one of each! Good Luck.
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"DOSTUPAN U PRODAJI OD 28.03.2011!"
Btw. I am not going above 5000 US$ for a new scoot of any kind. I would rather shell out twice that for a bike that tops around 230-240 km/h and does 0-100 in 3 secs.
It's not all about the speed, Axy. I just sold my bike that goes twice as fast for 2-3k more. Storage, steating position, passenger accomodations, milage, even the ease of a CVT are considerations all weighted differently by different people.
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It's not all about the speed, Axy. I just sold my bike that goes twice as fast for 2-3k more. Storage, steating position, passenger accomodations, milage, even the ease of a CVT are considerations all weighted differently by different people.
He knows.. he had a Kawasaki before his (many) scooters, just like me.
I'm now selling my Kawasaki to get a bigger scooter too.