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Scooters - 50cc => zx50 => Topic started by: thebatman on December 16, 2010, 12:39:13 PM
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what up guys..... i have a zx 50 that is modded to a point and now i will do a biuld on the same scoot but 1st: visual mods include: removed turn signals, wired for euro lights
removed rear rack and rear fender
removed stickers
08 super9 brakes/suspension/wheels
polished cvt cover
chrome handgrips
blacked out lenses w/led upgrade
led side marker lights/ accent lights throughout
painted all silver black w/ black floorboards
i think thats all at this point....... :D
performance mods at this point: shaved head for squish
ported exhaust port
ported oem intake/ reed cage
technigas next r chrome ppipe
open air filter / rejetting. current 97m
above mentioned s9 upgrade
adige clutch
malossi 1000 contra w/ 2000 flys
race variator w/5.1g rollers
gates powerlink belt
i think i have listed all thats done. if i forgot something i will add later.......
ok my prts list now include: malssi 70cc bbk
leo vince zx pipe
malossi multivar
motorio clutch w/ performance clutch bell
4 petal reed cage w/ oko 24mm carb
bando race coil
suitai cdi box
dual boost bottle kit w/ universal nos kit
doing port work on the cases....ie: the boost port and intake tracts
i think this takes care of my new parts list..... once i figure the pics out i will post some pics as i go... engine is apart now....my pic posting homey has gone.. :'(
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Wow! All that and a paint job, too! Sounds Great! Can't wait to see the pics!!
Good luck with it all!
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Wow Batman! Great going! Yeah, get some pics up when you can. :)
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(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i458/thebatman11/thebatmansZX.jpg)
this is a pic, i have removed the side reflectors and installed led side markers
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(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i458/thebatman11/12161900.jpg)
some of the port work that shall get done..... sorry for the size of the pics, not sure on resizing like z used to do.....boy, i still miss the z man :'( :-\
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Here's the program Zombie raved about...
http://download.cnet.com/Free-Picture-Resize-Starter/3000-12511_4-10297789.html (http://download.cnet.com/Free-Picture-Resize-Starter/3000-12511_4-10297789.html)
I found it in this topic here, if you want to read what he said about it...
http://kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=1702.msg15082#msg15082 (http://kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=1702.msg15082#msg15082)
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update: here is the intake tract after alot of porting... :D
have port matched the cylinder..(no pic yet)
STILL waiting on my pipe to arrive
gotta polish the piston a lil bit and make sure of the port measurements then i shall start the reassembly, i hope...(picked up a cobra racer last night, needs some work tho but complete. ;))
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Great, Batman! Good luck and Merry Christmas. Your mods are along the lines of what Sid did, right? We only heard a post or two from him after he competed his but think he was happy with it. I'm assuming he has moved mostly to another forum? Miss him. Keep it up and stick around! ;)
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Hey HOO, MERRY CHRISTMAS...... thank you, yeah sid did some of the same mods.... i think iwent a lil bigger tho.. :D got the works going on this baby
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Update.... I finally have my accent lights installed....
I did however "squash" the crank with a press and had to sent off to another member to balance the crank for me.....The freshly made lv zx pipe will arrive next week also...
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What color(s) did you do for the LED lights?
We need pictures showing the glow at night!
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Hey os... I did one white strip at the floorboard and some red and green lights.. i have a few more red to install around engine later..... i will send a pic of the sight so far... i need more tho.. :D
I did install some red led side markers also but they are wired into the lights.. they wont come on still running...
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Oh yeah,
You have to add the engine lighting.
makes it look nice - and you'll be able to show off that lv exhaust.
A big step up over my well light rusty OEM exhaust!
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What up ppl?.... Well i figured i had better update a bit here.. I am STILL in the middle of this build, parts have finally showed up.
I have the ex. duration @ 182*-184*
trans. duration @ 128*-130*
boost duration @ 126*-128*
I think these #'s will work out..(may as well do it to where she will "GET IT"... I finally scored aset of secondary gears of 15/42 to installl later.(when it's finished and tuned). Here is several pics of this whole process so far, still got a ways to go yet. :-\
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/01271825.jpg)
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Here i just wanted to see what the carb is gonna look like.. :D. The one pic is of the LV ZX pipe for it. I am having the carb powder coated along with a cpl pieces the green as on the wheels and having the seat redone with a red strip around it.(should get it back tomorrow).. I was sure blessed with the parts to do this build here. Oh yeah, i am also having a "extended swingarm"(for lack of better terms) fabbed up and powder coated as well.(should get it from the welder sat.)... Sorry so such a long ass post. :o ::) :D ;)
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W.T.F? >:(
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sh**, i didnt resize some of them...... >:( sorry... :-[
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What up guys..... I finally recieved my left case yesterday.. I have everything mounted up waiting on the sealer to dry some so i can finallly test for air leaks again....
This sure has taken way to long to complete but she should haul ass.. ;)
I'm also having a very hard time getting the color matched for powdercoating.. I wasnt thinking it'd be this difficult to match a kymco color... ::)..(powdercoat wise, not paint).
I hope to have this scoot fired and tuned this week but of course they are calling for rain on my end of the world this weekend.... >:( ::)
More updates to come... ;)
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did yours come with turn sign on the sides by the tag
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Yeah, they used to be there... :D
I took them off, then cut the rear fender off to match... ;)
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What up ppl?.. Nobody here these days but i have an update.... She was finally able to crank up.... ;D ;D
I did have the oem carb/intake on it to start up..have a new oko 24mm carb/intake set up installed now and of course she wont start.. Somehow i must have flooded it out.. I keep soaking the plugs..(i di install a 120 mj, replaced the 107 back in now).. It has a 107mj,45pj..Anybody have any experiance with the oko carbs?
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What up ppl? If anybody is interested, i finally got the zx fired. had a preignition issue but the needle, regaping the plug must have fixed this.. Here is a pic of what she looking like at this point.. of course the side panels are'nt on yet...lol
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/04180757a.jpg)
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Update time again.......
Still waiting to get some pilot jets in so i can hopefully fix my "flat top end". Hitting around 55mph atm..
I do hope that with CORRECT carb,cvt tunning she'll be a bit closer to 60, hoping gears will actually top 60 BUT,idk yet stay tuned, same bat channel, same bat time... ;D Pretty sure if i had the rs2 pipe i ma be hitting 60 easier... ::)
HEre is a few pics of her looks atm...
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/05051825.jpg)
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After i get her dialed in better, I get to tear the rear end off to install some 15/42 secondary gears AND hopefully to finally get my 7" stretch installed.(i have the mount bracket ready, just need to get shock mount placed).. I am hoping going down to a 38-40 pj will bring the carb back to max output
I had given "props" on another forum but BIG PROPS HAS to go out to "SHAKA", and "SIDTHESLOTH", 2 awesome guys i met on this forum in the beginning... I probably would have burned her by now if not for these guys... 2 members that are no longer with us deserve major props as well, And that would be the infamous "ZOMBIE" and "WORDSLINGER"... (i do still talk to word)... These 4 guys put up with alot of sh** from me in the beginning....they STILL put up with sh** from me, what am i saying?.. :D
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Cool, you're getting there. I have just put the 38 pilot jet in mine and it feels better, less splutter on take off, will try raising the needle tomorrow and hopefully get some more power out of her. Going to work this morning, on a slight downhill, I reached what I think was my highest speed yet and had to back off for fear of over revving the engine.
You're welcome batman, I hope I have been of some help, not just confusing you.
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You're welcome batman, I hope I have been of some help, not just confusing you......
HEll yeah sid, you have helped alot my friend.. Thank you again.. Did you check the site i emailed you this a.m?
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Nah, not yet mate, will check it out when I get a chance, it was late last night.
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No worries at all!!! Just glad you're up and running! Looking real good too!!! 8)
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wanna go fast get a better pipe leo vince suck ass ,find a scropion or arrow pipe and you wanna go all out like mines i have a 120 cc stoker water cooled fitted with taiwan black mani fitted with v force reed and exhust pg fatty pipe ,30 mm oko . it can go over 80mph easily
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wanna go fast get a better pipe leo vince suck ass ,find a scropion or arrow pipe and you wanna go all out like mines i have a 120 cc stoker water cooled fitted with taiwan black mani fitted with v force reed and exhust pg fatty pipe ,30 mm oko . it can go over 80mph easily
??? ??? ??? here we go again......... show me brother, show me....
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If u dont mind me asking I want to stretch my zx and lower it how did u fabricate the rear extention ? Would love some pics!!!
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where did you buy the suitai cdi box and what was the price. thanks
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If u dont mind me asking I want to stretch my zx and lower it how did u fabricate the rear extention ? Would love some pics!!!
Hey man, sorry for the long delay here... I actually had a oem bracket extended.. I do have a pic somewhere, i'll see if i can find it and post again..(i think it's in the pics of the parts already posted...
where did you buy the suitai cdi box and what was the price. thanks
Hey man, the suitai cdi comes from suitai themselves and its priceier than the others but i seem to be happy with it. they are around $75 thrugh them... S.A was selling an exact match at one time i know
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Sorry but. Didn't see it when ever u can post another pic is cool thank you :)
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I need some carb fine tuning help... Any carb ppl around? oko carb?
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??? ??? I feel ya, they are a pain in the ass for sure.... :D
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Sorry, can't help you there mate, I am in about the same boat. I seem to be rich at low speed, but not at wot. Might need to lower my needle, but, a 38 pilot and 120 main, I am already at the second lowest setting, won't start when cold without the choke. My intro to carb tuning is a bit frustrating.
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Amen brother...... :)
I tried a 38 and she ran like straight ass WHEN i got her started, i installed a 45 to try it out... i wonder if alot is the needle now
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While I was running 3/4 throttle it was ok, now that I have raised the gearing with the belt and weights, around town am only using lower throttle openings, it is too rich, haven't done any adjustments today.
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I may be on to something here with the carb..... thanks mainly due to "SHAKA"...... installed a 120mj,45pj, needle in the 2nd slot, mix screw 1 turn out... Seems i have more rpm, more top speed now at only 1/3 throttle, topend is still flat, gonna slap in a 115mj and see what that'll bring
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Do you find that you lose a lot of throttle smoothness with the needle in the second lowest setting? With mine it has a point of almost nothing then almost screaming.
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Actualy no, i still had spit/spudder at certain rpm with the needle in the 3rd slot, shaka talked me into swapping the 120, then bam went to crap, lowered the needle and now more rpm/power.. I'm liking this so far, didnt get a chance to try a 115 today, stormed again for a bit.
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Well guys, i haven't updated this in awhile so i figure now is a good time...
A while back i had a "major meltdown" on my very own "suckubus". A c-clip had came out of the piston and just disappeared. I thought it destoyed my crank bearings. I took the engine apart and to my amazement seen the piston looking good. I removed the head and discovered that the c-clip was missing, hence the failed bearings. The wrist pin had made it's way out to RUB the cylinder wall REAL GOOD. A nasty groove all the way...bbk shot in the ass...
SO.... I FINALLY decided to put back together oem modded again. I took the oem cyl and started porting the transfers and boost...
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/OEM%20Build%20on%20Kymco%20ZX/fa708df9.jpg)
NOthing done.....
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I got all the porting done and now was the time to split the cases to swap the bearings.. Little did i know it WASN'T the bearings that failed on me..... :'(
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My dam crank BROKE. A nice clean break too i might add.. I was not expecting that one there. :o
Bearings seem to be good still.. ??? :D
That was real heart breaking to see that when i was all ready to exchange bearings. HOLY BREAKDOWN BATMAN!!! I guess a tuners saying of "if it ain't broke, you obiously haven't tuned it enough" rings so dam true about now.... :D ;) Thanks for the words luke. ;)
Just goes to show the ABUSE a kymco can handle. ;)
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Damn that sucks, how the hell does a crank break? Who did you buy the crank from?
Good luck with the rebuild.
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IDK, id like to know how it happened.... ???
It was the oem crank thankfully.. ::)
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I just saw the pics, did you have a rear wheel seize to cause the break? or was it "just one of those things"?
I paid $110 for the stroker crank, you can get what I think he calls a reinforced stock crank for about $78. I will have a look and see if I can find a link.
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Here ya go, stroker crank. My shiiping was probably higher than you will pay.
I quite like mine, though I think you will have to re tune your cvt to suit, but hey, what is tuning without a headache? :)
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Hey sid, i ASSUME it was just one of those things :'( All of it happened IN the driveway. I was heading down the drive and heard a hella noise. I thought the v bushing went out on the var, Seen the wobbly crank so i thought the bearings went. ::) Boy, was i WRONG.. :o
I had found/seen a 44mm, I'd likie one of those. Wasn't but like 10-15$ above the oem. ;) Gotta get thru my daughters b-day coming up soon 1st. Gotta make sure i have the funds for her
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In the for sale section there is a scooter with a broken crank. I think it was an agility 125.
EDIT: It was a Exciting 250 with the broken crank.
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G'day batman, just looking at your bit about the broken crank, when you put new bearings on, did you heat the bearings and cool the crank to make an easier fitment? Just thinking that this might have created a weak spot on your crank and may be the cause of the break. Just a thought.
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G'day batman, just looking at your bit about the broken crank, when you put new bearings on, did you heat the bearings and cool the crank to make an easier fitment? Just thinking that this might have created a weak spot on your crank and may be the cause of the break. Just a thought.
Hey sid, sorry i missed your post my friend....
Well, my install skills suck ass i think but yeah i had heated the bearings,etc... I had DROPPED the crank at one time and of course messed the install up and had to send it off to another forum member to "balance" it for me. I wonder if the metal wasnt comprimised at that point from the drop and the "balance". Either that or my skills one did it..lmao I just hope that i can fix her one day soon. I am going to try and sell an '09 aprilia sr50 and then i know i can get my parts....
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Good to see you are still going to go with it. :) You have too many scoots mate, sell acouple and get bits for the ZX, yeah, yeah. I don't think dropping the crank would cause a fracture like that, my guess would be the hot bearing on the cold crank, now, I am no expert, that is just my thought.
To go off topic a bit, what would you recommend for a variator? I am getting sick and tired of sending scooter assassins money for those little nylon slides that only last a couple of weeks. I am going to need something that can handle the extra power of the upgrade.
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Staying off topic for a moment, the slides I put in yesterday are buggered already, so am now on my last ones. When these are gone I will just let it flog itself to pieces while I wait for something better to turn up.
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Yeah, you could be right..I was heating things up that day. ;D Oh yes, the z is still my baby. I miss the hell out my z...
I know, i know, I do don't i?... :D. I needed a second scoot then, now i have to many. I would like to sell the aprilia sr50 and an exhaust for sure. Didn't you order yours (kit,etc.)from carlos?. I do hear various stories of the kits,some parts not being real good, but dam he does have some good prices.. :D
Well, luckily i was able to get the multivar. Those do seem to be the best out there. Even read about those being better than a polini(which you can find cheaper than malossi)
I wasn't impressed with S.A's rollers at all. I went on a ride with a set and when i got home, they were already getting flat spots!!!! The bushings must be made from the same stuff.. I definately would not order any more of those.. I think i have a set of oem bushings. I should still have a set from the var i got from him if you need them. I can look to see if the malossi bushings will fit his var here in alittle bit if you'd like.(the malossi are like $8).. Did you try those bushings from VT?
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I found the rollers that came with the variator were strong, but the others werd rubbish. thanks, but this time I think it is time to spend some money and get a decent one. These bushes only lasted 20km, the SA clutch broke after 8km.
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I had also gotten a var from SA, i still have those bushings that came with it.
His rollers aren't that great either...malossi is the best roller!!!!!
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Yo boys! My bet is the C clip fell thru the trans port, got blown back into the cyl. thru the same port, and jammed on top of the dome causing an instant hard lock-up/ Look close at the cyl. head, and you may see the imprint from the C clip. I say this cause I have been thru 3 more pistons since I last posted. Twice I dumped bits of piston/rings out of the exhaust pipe, and once there were no bits left at all.(they just blew out the pipe) My head looks like it was hit w/ birdshot. But I decided enough is enough, and am going to do a complete rebuild w/ a Jiangwayne 72cc (48)mm kit, and all new bearings/seals. I will order my parts this week, and if you want to buy my used stock crank I may just go ahead and get the ribbed crank from them at the same time. I figure 30.00 bucks?.? Also when jetting the carb. get your idle jet right first. that will get you to 1/4 throt. Keep the needle in the center slot. then tune the main to run at wot. Now you will have both ends covered, and the needle will tune your mid range. If you wind up being rich/lean (wot) after adjusting the needle, you will only need to tweak the main a few thousandths. That is the only way I know. Thanks for all the love Bats! moped fail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyaLhy69Deg#)
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"HOLY GRAVE ROBBERS BATMAN"......I AM JUST ABSOLUTELY SPEECHLESS THIS A.M. ZOMBIES DO LIVE...... WE ARE NOT WORTHY :D 8)
Me and word was talking about you AGAIN the other day.. We keep sending a pic of your scoot back and forth wondering.. :D shaka has rebuilt with malossi now(with several tickets in his possession now too :D)
You are close about the c-clip but it just absolutely dissappeared!! Had to have shot out the exhaust. There are NO marks from the c-clip anywhere and not in the cases.(never found ANY particles) But the dam wrist pin sure did a number on the cylinder tho! ;) By george i had a BAD ASS for a short time.l I did finally learn to build(not tune tho...lol), you would have been proud of my annoying ass.. :D My S9 still hauls ass tho... :D
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I forgot you had the "9". I am still keeping my eyes open for one. Love the styling on those. When I do my re-build I will be spraying mine candy black w/ candy yellow. It will be the most annoying bumble bee around. I just picked up an '05 Verucci w/ a GY6 4t in it, and that will be my spare. Keeping that Chinese P.O.S. stock tho. I like the porting you, and Sid did. I found you will need a bigger carb. tho(Bats). At least 24mm to take advantage of the breathing room. If you jack up the back wheel a properly balanced intake/exhaust system will allow the engine to rev to the point it will hand grenade. If you get to an rpm where it starts to sputter/rev no higher you still have a restriction in the breathing. Opening the ports only allows more mix in so you need a carb to keep up w/ the flow rate, and a pipe that can scavenge the exhaust at the same rate. Opening the ports w/ a 19/20mm carb may reduce performance because the air is choking in the carb, and falling, NOT flowing thru the case/cyl. Same as blocking 1/2 of the carb. on a stock set up. It is a balancing act to say the least. That is why I used a 28mm for so long. the next r pipe could not remove all the gases fast enough, and all my work seemed wasted. Installed the rs pipe, and all is well. I have had an issue w/ pistons tho so That is why I am reducing my carb. to 24mm, and increasing my bore by 1mm (2cc). As it is right now I could rev it (unloaded) till it pops, and I am aiming to have the carb. be my rev limiter. I would like to see it choke out at 12,000 unloaded. Gots to tell you tho, 3+ years on the same cases/bearings/crank... Kymco F'n ROCKS. One day I just may learm to use paragraphs, but till then...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Hey z, thanks for looking at the thread. ;) Thank you for the kind words,i do like the port,etc work more than tuning.. :D.. Now if i could get the FINE tuning. :D
I did have a oko 24mm carb on the z.....I did jack up with rear with a S9 brakes/suspension/wheel upgrade. Gave me a 2" lift. ;)
There has been a few nice S9's on C.L lately but the price has been high.
Now you could go ahead and install a "44mm" crank and get 4 more cc out of the build. ;) :o 8) no machine work either on the cases. ;D
Oh yes, Kymco done agreat job on the crank, etc. for sure. Wish i hadn't broke mine. :'(
One day soon, i shall get to build again.(i still have the dream of a 122cc stroker ;D 8))
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Way to go Bats. I kind of have mixed feelings about going thru the roof on cc's. It is super cool to build up, but the reliabilty falls too fast. Putting in a 125 engine, and tweaking that is a more reliable way to go. Just my opinion.
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Way to go Bats. I kind of have mixed feelings about going thru the roof on cc's. It is super cool to build up, but the reliabilty falls too fast. Putting in a 125 engine, and tweaking that is a more reliable way to go. Just my opinion.
That's some real good points for sure....
I like the idea of tweaking a 125...lol...
(i actually have a honda aero 125 a.c. 2t engine tha does run but it wasnt getting what honda said it should/would in mph)(i thought of IT but the engine parts are/could be hell. It has a 13mm wrist pin!)
I'd like to try that engine in a way...lol
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Oh yeah, A 76cc isn't TOOO bad toward reliability... You should have 73.4cc with the kit you mentioned. ;) :D ::)
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The kit is sold as a 72cc. It should be here tomorrow, and tom. night will be trippi'n again
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Correct, but with the stroke of the oem crank you will have 73.8cc when it's done..(i bo-bo'd in my last post)
My 70 kit, when i was done came to 71.8cc
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The kit is sold as a 72cc. It should be here tomorrow, and tom. night will be trippi'n again
Surely you're not going to "plug and play"..... Better check those timings....LMAO
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No Doubt. I will only take 1/2 hr. or so (timings that is) My cases have been done from the git. I would only get the crank if my used one had a home so it will be a 2-3 hr. job all said, and done. (bearings/seals/jug). I can do this one blindfolded.
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:o... It took me 3 months..... :D
I shall be paitently waiting. 8)
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What going on guys?.. Seems to be a bit slack in these parts lately... :D
Well, i think the time is here for me to get to rebuild my zx and FINALLY,HOPEFULLY ::) add my 7" extension but i am having a time trying to decide which route to go. I'd love some input.. maaaaybe sid will come back and chime in also.
As some know from the pics you see, my crank is broke in half.(dam, did i post em here too???????? ::))
If not i can to show...
Anyway i HAVE to have a crank regardless.. SO, should i get a oem again or upsize a bit to a 44mm.
I am looking at 4 kits right now...1). is from carlos(48mm)....2). is a "riuma" brand(47mm)....3). is from "jiangwayne"(48mm) and 4). is also from "jiangwayne" but a 50mm.
A 47 kit with oem crank would end up @ 71.8.......with a 44mm crank @ 74
A 48 kit with oem crank would end up @ 73.8.......with a 44mm crank @ 76
BUT i wonder what sort of trouble the 44 would end up being on the port timings???????(the 47 kit i had did require a spacer,a lil work to get my target numbers)
The 50mm kit would really need the 44 crank to get the most out of it i'm sure(a 50 on a oem crank may be a huge battle?) So that should end up being a 80-83cc. A baby stroker. I'm thinking the reliability, etc. wouldnt be hurt to bad, not like actually STROKING it out to a 122-125. Now THAT, would be aweswome but then you'd have to rebuild every cpl thounsand miles i'd say..
There is only a $50 difference in going either 70-72 vs going 80-83...
So, has anybody have any input on the "riuma" brand or kits from carlos(sids did seem to be good) or "jiangwayne"(z went missing on us sgain...lol)
Or about the extra 4cc from the crank.. Only a $10 difference in price there. 4cc for $10 sounds good to me. :D
Any input is greatly appreciated. Should i stick with 70 or go ahead and see whats in store on the other side?...
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Go the 44mm crank!
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Go the 44mm crank!
Hey sid, it's good to hear from you..
Did you happen to do any timing/duration numbers with the kit your running now?. This is on my mind with the 44 crank on a 47-48mm kit
I remember you had a FIT with the 50 kit on the oem crank..
Of course i do like the idea of the 50 with a 44 crank. Then she'd be 80-82?cc vs the (47mm)72-(48mm)74cc AND being only about a $20-30 difference in total price
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I did put the degree wheel on with the 47mm cyl and 44mm crank, I just don't know where I wrote the results, I think I did post them on here somewhere. If I can find the paper I wrote them on, I will post them again.
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Just had a look in my zx50 build,,,again. thread and it seems that my exhaust was 188° duration and boost and trans. ports were 130° duration.
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Just had a look in my zx50 build,,,again. thread and it seems that my exhaust was 188° duration and boost and trans. ports were 130° duration.
WOW.. Hey sid, thanks for checking that. You didnt even do any port work on the cylinder either did you?...ie; widen exhaust port, champher the ports?...I was afraid the numbers would be all "over the board"....
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No, I wasn't game enough, besides, I don't have any tools to do that with.
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The numbers seemed to be right there, so that was a good thing there....
I was hoping z would come back to get his input on the jiangwayne kit. :-\
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I would say go w/ the stock crank, and the Jiangwayne 50mm kit. Cheap, and very strong. I had a delay in San Fran. customs, and received my jug yesterday, (14 days). Sooo My experience is limited to a good breakin, and 4-5 miles wide open. Buttt, The jug is flawless. The ports are even, and symmetrical. The piston sits 2mm above the openings at bdc (to allow for the stroker crank) but the squish is perfect at .8mm. The dome has a 40% squish band that will tolerate regular fuel, but it screams on hi-test.There is a 28mm exhaust that works for all the standard pipes. (next r /rs ect...) The only "fitting" needed was in the piston casting. The boost port had some xtra metal in the triangle cut out, and the skirt had the same. My last runs w/ the 70cc malossi were at 60-62mph. The new kit w/24 mm Delorto is burying the speedo on flat ground. The mid range is the BIG winner. It will pull the front wheel leaning into a corner. My overall opinion is I NEED a stiffener on the frame. This has gone from a cool scoot to a scary ass machine. I know this is what this scoot was lacking. On to the stretch. You can pull off the center stand, Remove the rubber bushing from the forward engine brace, and couple a 10" pipe into the bushing housing. Then re-bolt the engine into the holes from the center stand. That gives you a 6" extension for free. No welding either as the pipe is held in place by the engine mount. Look at it close, and you can have the job done in an hour! I will post some picts. of the finished scoot tomorrow. Peace~
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I would say go w/ the stock crank, and the Jiangwayne 50mm kit. Cheap, and very strong. I had a delay in San Fran. customs, and received my jug yesterday, (14 days). Sooo My experience is limited to a good breakin, and 4-5 miles wide open. Buttt, The jug is flawless. The ports are even, and symmetrical. The piston sits 2mm above the openings at bdc (to allow for the stroker crank) but the squish is perfect at .8mm. The dome has a 40% squish band that will tolerate regular fuel, but it screams on hi-test.There is a 28mm exhaust that works for all the standard pipes. (next r /rs ect...) The only "fitting" needed was in the piston casting. The boost port had some xtra metal in the triangle cut out, and the skirt had the same. My last runs w/ the 70cc malossi were at 60-62mph. The new kit w/24 mm Delorto is burying the speedo on flat ground. The mid range is the BIG winner. It will pull the front wheel leaning into a corner. My overall opinion is I NEED a stiffener on the frame. This has gone from a cool scoot to a scary ass machine. I know this is what this scoot was lacking. On to the stretch. You can pull off the center stand, Remove the rubber bushing from the forward engine brace, and couple a 10" pipe into the bushing housing. Then re-bolt the engine into the holes from the center stand. That gives you a 6" extension for free. No welding either as the pipe is held in place by the engine mount. Look at it close, and you can have the job done in an hour! I will post some picts. of the finished scoot tomorrow. Peace~
There you are. Sorry i missed you.. So i'm liking the sound of your kit... That's awesome. I'm actually waiting on a reply email from them ATM. That sale price is crazy sweet.
BUT Z, a 50 with the oem crank?... WTH?? That should(i would think) be terrible. It don't seem like you could get the max out of it unless you had the 44 crank in it.....+ it's 4cc....lol
I gotta have a crank. I like their "stuffer" crank but it's more $ of course..(i'm actually debating the $ difference between them and carlos total on the crank..
(It's only like a $10 difference between the oem and 44)
I have JUUUST about talked myself into the 44 crank.. Why/what are your reasons for saying stay with the oem... MAke it a 80...that should be a FUN ride there...lol
As to the stretch, I had taken the mount itself and had 7" welded in. Now i have 2 mounts. Either stretched or reg... I hadnt ever heard the way you said. I just thought mine was the cheap way...lol I wanna do the shock mount the same way, that way i have a choice in length...lol
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Oh yeah, i don't think i've ever gotten to ask about the gears you run...
Primary? Secondary?
I have a 10.5:1 wheel/bell ratio.. (Seems i remember yours were different)
I DO have a set of secondary gears of 15/42 but never installed them.
I'm THINKING either way should net about 4mph?. Probably would be nice to swap both.. :D
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I tried to post w/ picts. soo here are some picts anyway
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Dam.. I missed you again.... >:(
That black looks good as hell in the pics.. I like your lettering too. ;) I couldn't tell what the forks had on them tho.. Wasn't your forks yellow?.
Yeah, a brace maybe the ticket. That makes em look "mean" also... :D
Hope to be able to rack your brain soon... ;) :D
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Update time again.......
Still waiting to get some pilot jets in so i can hopefully fix my "flat top end". Hitting around 55mph atm..
I do hope that with CORRECT carb,cvt tunning she'll be a bit closer to 60, hoping gears will actually top 60 BUT,idk yet stay tuned, same bat channel, same bat time... ;D Pretty sure if i had the rs2 pipe i ma be hitting 60 easier... ::)
HEre is a few pics of her looks atm...
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/05051825.jpg)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/05051824.jpg)
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After i get her dialed in better, I get to tear the rear end off to install some 15/42 secondary gears AND hopefully to finally get my 7" stretch installed.(i have the mount bracket ready, just need to get shock mount placed).. I am hoping going down to a 38-40 pj will bring the carb back to max output
I had given "props" on another forum but BIG PROPS HAS to go out to "SHAKA", and "SIDTHESLOTH", 2 awesome guys i met on this forum in the beginning... I probably would have burned her by now if not for these guys... 2 members that are no longer with us deserve major props as well, And that would be the infamous "ZOMBIE" and "WORDSLINGER"... (i do still talk to word)... These 4 guys put up with alot of sh** from me in the beginning....they STILL put up with sh** from me, what am i saying?.. :D
Just wanted to show what mine WAS looking like........(again with the dam pics)..... before i had to tear the engine back down. The engine is in several pieces ATM and my poor baby is mighty lonely. Hope to FINALLY rebuild very soon after some more info is gathered...lol
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Hey guys.. Update time again... :D
Z hasn't returned but i have placed my order for my next build. I spoke to wayne several times on the phone, various emails, Even got another call and email with pics of my order being done. ;D
I went with the 50 and 44 crank. This,according to the porting program, will take my baby up to a baby stroker @ 86.4cc. 8) She should be a dam beast!!
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/197295cf.jpg)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/3979d39f.jpg)
HEre is a pic of MY extension that's going on also. ;D
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/01300924.jpg)
Here is a pic i found of a zx in japan. This is ONE SWEET ASS RIDE..
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/666c9024.jpg)
Any input is always wanted... I don't guess i'll get much help on one forum anymore.. Evidently i have made 2 ppl mad over a god dam scooter and another over a god dam wheel that he wanted to BUY.(guess i was suppose to offer it and not take any money for it, IDK), all i know is they won't speak anymore >:(
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Good luck with your build batman, you will absolutely love it, I think the 44 crank make a nice difference. It would be good if you could do the crank and cyl at different times to get an idea of the effect of each.
Sorry to hear of people being upset with you, can't understand that. Again, good luck.
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Thank you sid... I cant wait to try it out.. :D
I didn't think it be that high cc's but i'm liking the sound of 86.4, :D ;)
For some reason one pic i'm not seeing up so i'll post it again. ::)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/197295cf.jpg)
I do hope you'll stick around for i'm sure a bunch of questions from me... :D
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WITF.. That's a head scatcher......
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I don't know if I will be able to help, but if I can, I will surely try. I gotta stick around to see this one, it will be well worth your effort.
I don't have the ZX anymore, I went out and bought a Sym VS125 today. I need something for getting to work on and I think this will fit the bill quite nicely. After looking at a few scooters, I have found that the ZX50 is a very under rated scooter.
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..word up sid!!!
..i rode my bud's zx a cpl days...did a lil work on it for him..
..it's a bit too small for me, but that lil focker would fly!!
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Hey sid, yeah i remember you selling it a cpl weeks ago..But hey, if you got a sym, some parts will interchange.. :D
Yeah, i sure miss my lil zx. I'm like word, they are a bit small for me as well but dam what a ride... ;)
Hey word, if you thought your buds was flying, you should try a bbk, then ride. ;) (night and day)
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G'day wordslinger, good to see you are still around. The funny thing is, the zx had a lot more room than the super 8. I am going to miss the zx.
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...he wrecked it this morning on the way home from work...lost control coming to a stop at a light...
..front wheel locked up onna damp, white painted arrow..what a shame...scoot didnt have hardly a scratch on it before...
..it has awesom take-off, i put in a 1000 contra for him..tried 7.5 gr sliders, but it didnt like them...tops out @ 54 indicated...
...nice lookin batch of bits there batman!!
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I can FINALLY update a bit now....
Well it seems that zombie has flown the coop yet again. :'(
I got my parts in the mail today. ;D
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/2f841436.jpg)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/78056a11.jpg)
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(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/074345fb.jpg)
LOOK at the size of that exhaust port........ :o
A big 50mm kit with a baby stroker 44mm crank will end up taking my baby to a beastly 86.4cc
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Excellent, good to see you are now making progress. Building it will be half the fun, but when you ride it, you will love it.
It seems that someone has pissed zombie off, don't know who or what about, but i only read a few sections of the forum nowadays. Must be something I missed on another section.
Keep us posted with the build, kinda envious that I'm not doing it again. :(
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Yeah, i seen that thread. A few guys don't like his humor... I FOR ONE MISS THE Z MAN!!!!!!!!
I did tear the rear hub apart to install the 15/42 gears i never installed. Need any info while i'm in here?... :D I hope to have a port map,etc made soon now... :D
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Yeah, miss him too. Nah, no info for me, zx is gone. I am now playing with a Sym VS125. I have just put in a 150 engine. I think I will just ride it as is for now. However, If I can find a frame to put all my other bits on, then that will be open for modding :).
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What is the deal with Zombie ? Did he get banned ? I would think the forum would appreciate a member with his wealth of knowledge . May be I am slow witted but he never offended anyone that I noticed . I enjoyed his postings . Oh well , I thought he had just lost interest untill he returned recently . At least people will be able to reference his past postings through the search feature . Good luck Zombie and thanks .
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..zombie has little tolerance for a lot of bullsh**...it's the reason he left for so long before...
..the forum is less without him....
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..zombie has little tolerance for a lot of bullsh**...it's the reason he left for so long before...
..the forum is less without him....
:'(
Maybe his new paint and new kit will drive him back some. :-\
WHAT UP WORD?
G'DAY SID...
JUICE, Whats really going on?
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I agree with word , and I don't understand what is really going on . I do think it is a shame that Zombie dosn't want to participate on the forum anymore and the forum IS less without him . I suspect if I had a choice between Zombie and whoever he is at odds with leaving I would side with Zombie . JMO .
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Well sh**.... Not much of an update.. I keep hitting snags everytime i turn...
Wheres my builders at????
For some reason my piston stops. It's not rotating but only 1/2 turn either way.
I do guess i will have to tear apart YET AGAIN cuz i never knew the boost port was so much bigger on this 50 kit vs the old malossi kit i did have on....
Hey Z, and you installed this kit?????????????????????
Hey sid, did you port for a 50 or to the 47?(port match) Did you have an issue with rotation with the 50?...
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/f57f849e.jpg)
Here is an idea of the difference in boost ports.....
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/385fb75f.jpg)
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Here is the "goodie bag".... :D
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Forgot to ask you sid... Did you need to do any other porting with the 44 crank?
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With the 44 crank, I had to trim the skirts on the piston of the 47kit, not the 50. I had matched the cases to the 50 kit as that was what I was running at the time.
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Hey Sid, thanks for a reply. Yeah, somethings in a spot on this. The only thing i can possibly see is that on the oppisite from the boost port isde, that extra casing sticking out. Josh did mention that it would only need to be a tiny bit.
From the looks of the boost, it appears i never touched it. And believe me, i have at least 6-8 HRS in those cases already.. :D. MAJOR difference.
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/a8de2348.jpg)
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I remember a build that Josh had done but of course it was bigger than this(it went to a 120) but all the casing on the front side was removed.
I'm going to try a lil trimming of the cyl skirt 1st and see if that fixes anything BUT from the looks of that boost, i'm going to HAVE to tear it back down and port match that massive space. :-\ :'(
I tried marking the piston and cyl. skirt to see if any rubbing was going on, is why i'm going to try to "shave" a bit off 1st. ???
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Opening that port further is not necessary but it will improve gas flow. Check that the piston skirts are not interfering with the crank. You have got the cases all together, so i wouldn't split it again until I had run it and was doing more upgrading. Having said that, it will give better flow if you do. :)
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Hello Sid.
I finally have you an update...(not much of one tho..lol)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/bc8faf15.jpg)
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Here is the "new" boost port and trans tunnel........(there is alot of meat gone now. ;D)
Here you can see wheer the port doesn't quite match the skirt so i wanted to bring it closer in to the skirt...
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/7c1c3ac9.jpg)
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I'm not totally happy with the recent port job yet, hoping to shine it a lil bit..
Here is the exhaust port this a.m.I don't have that "mirror" quite right yet either...
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/f0e67325.jpg)
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Just wanted to show the boost again.....
The 1st pic is the oem boost marked out for port matching on a malossi 47mm kit...(who would have thought SUCH A TINY port could be used in the 1st place... :D)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/d87fd329.jpg)
Now i have a 50 kit and here is the difference in the 2(a 47 and a 50mm)......
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/4af28b63.jpg)
WOW :o
This pic is the 1 side i have done and you can see the amount of meat that is now gone vs the oem port... :o ;D
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/03a302a8.jpg)
Should have the other side finished tomorrow since i was able to do the cylinder today also...(i know, i know I should have been DONE)....
It'll happen, stay tuned for more.... ::)
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Good work batman, i thought you would have gone ahead and put it back together without futher porting. This will improve flow, just watch your M.P.G. go out the window :D
How are you going with splitting the cases and putting them back together? Have you got a case splitting tool?
Llook forward to the finished build, should go like a rocket. :)
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Thank you Sid.... Oh, trust me, i did think about it... :D
and BTW, my mpg went out the window before this... :D I was getting like 55-58?mpg. I can just imagine how much lower it'll be now... :(
I'm still trying the hot/cold method with the cases. I had actually gotten it to work this time.(before this round of porting) Hopefully it'll work again. I just wish i had one of those "tusk" crank installers
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G'day thebatman, thought I would reply here rather than continue off topic on the other thread. If you are having trouble with a seal at the intake, where is the leak? With mine, I used a little ultra blue silicon sealant, that will take up any leaks that aren't too big. Are you able to get another inlet, if not let me know.
Going back to school is a big move, good on ya.
All the best,
sid.
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Good evening SID... OOps, guess it's very early at your house. ;)
Ah, this thing. I have re-done this WAY TO MANY TIMES.... It would leak at the front @ the cyl side, then on the cvt cover side... The last 12 times it would leak on the cvt side and on the side on top of the case.(not the starter side).
I was thinking it was warped so i carefully sanded with wd-40 and 600 paper and the last time i even doubled up the gaskets just for the sake of argument, then guess what?????? :'( I went to do another leak down test and air was rushing out... Nice big crack all around the corner bolt hole into the inner side. :'( :'( You can sit it on a table and actually feel a wobble now, so it's gotta be warped now of course the crack don't help it.. Maybe i wanted to much of a seal. ::) :o
No, i haven't been able to get another just yet. It's gonna be a little bit now before i can afford it. Looked them up and found a cpl for only like $30 but i'm so broke atm "if it cost a nickel to get around the world, I couldn't get out of sight"... :D :'(. I dam sure miss my lil z
Thanks for the kind words about school. I have been racking my brain over that for a while now but i HAVE TO do something. I should have finished either degree several yrs ago but i was to busy chasing women and bar-hoppin. Gotta think about gabbie's future.. IF thier is going to be a future with the sh** the politicians have done everywhere. ::)
I hope all is still well on your end??.. I actually drank a beer that is supposed to be imported from there..(a "beers of the world" sample box) It was named "cooper"? Pretty good, i was pleasantly surprised..
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Sounds like you would be losing your hair. Good on you with the learning, keep at it. Coopers is a family owned brewery, supposed to be pretty good, but I wouldn't know, been off the grog over 10 years now.
PM me an addy and I will send my inlet over to you, I don't need it anymore. We are talking the oko?
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I apologize for the dead thread i have going on here lately.
I have a new intake now and now i can finally try to revive my baby again. I should have been at it by now but i've been swamped with homework in writing essay's. WOW, 6 page essay's already :o
Hope you will turn in to this same bat channel at the same bat time to see whats next for the batman.
I do worry about TO MUCH comp with this kit. She seems a bit hard to rotate with my hand around TDC.
She will rotate a lot easier w/o the plug in.. ;)
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Try #1 retake on seal job...
NOt happening this time, NEEEEXT. ::)
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! 2 months to fix a leak. Moving at the speed of sound Bro! Just kidding if that hurt. On Slingers thread I posted to stay below 1/2 throttle for a few days to quiet the rings. Don't worry about the wot till it breaks in a little. The piston is the weakest link in the kit. You'll have plenty of git up and go below 1/2. More than stock for sure. The rest is all gravy. I am still running a 2.4mm spacer on the base to keep the max rpm's below 11,000, and I have 1 gasket on the head (after 2 weeks of breakin) I had to richen the main to 118 from 115 after taking out the extra head gasket cause it pinged a little. Dont worry about squish yet either. as long as the piston edge is = to the top of the jug. If you are a little over the top (will be w/ 1 base gasket) shim the bottom. My spacer is = to 3 base gaskets. DO NOT try it w/ 1 base gasket unless you have another piston. this kit makes serious compression if set up 1 base, and 1 head gasket. 17.?:1. GRENADE! I figure now I'm running at 11.3:1 using hi-test, and 35:1 FUUULLLL Synth 2t. (1 1/2oz. to a full tank). I keep a bottle under the seat, and a couple of those graduated medicine cups, and mix at the pump.Gets almost 28 miles to a tank. Mostly 45-50mph avg. On a 4.5 mile stretch of hiway I run 60, and the rest is 45 (town). YOU'RE gonna F'n LUV IT
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Well sh**!!!.
This time i let it completely cure for 24 hrs and working with a 6 minute time table i LOST 3/4lb of pressure on a leak down test.
I didn't spray the intake but it has to be leaking there STILL since i never found any other leaks any where.
3/4lb is alot better tho... :D >:(
IDK Y this build is giving such sh**. I am actually starting to wonder if MAYBE my gasket material is a culprit in any type of way????????? It SHOULDN'T be anyway, it's just regular paper type roll of material from a local auto parts. I have made other gaskets with it tho, but i dam sure used a ROLL on this intake. :o :-\
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The gray paper type is ok. The tan paper type wont hold up. Have you tried to pressurize it, and spray soapy water? A bike pump works fine Adapt an bolt on tire valve to the carb adapter.
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working with a 6 minute time table i LOST 3/4lb of pressure on a leak down test
..dammit man!
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Wait. You never showed anyone your super-sexy pressure tester? Man, now my feelings are hurt. :P
I've had a lot of leaks come from the Autotech manifolds. They'll seal up, but the last one I did I had to use a thicker sealant like Hondabond to get it to stop leaking. It does well sealing up bigger gaps. I usually use the Wurth orange flange sealant if everything fits together pretty well, but it doesn't work well on the autotech manifolds because it's an anaerobic sealant.
~Josh
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Wait. You never showed anyone your super-sexy pressure tester? Man, now my feelings are hurt.
YES i did.. I had actually sent word a pic of it. We were showing off new "toys". :D ;)
For the others that may not know, I was lucky enough to get a "real" tester awhile back to use on this build. Some of you may have seen this tester on another forum of Josh himself. Got me a TSG tuning leak down tester kit.(i dont have a pic now since my hard drive was wiped recently).
Yeah, i'm using the gray paper type.
I have used several different sealants already. I never had this issue this 1st time around but this time it's driving me insane!! >:(
Never tried any "hondabond".
Last night i just started to slap it together anyway and see what the comp is going to be but i chickened out. :D Figuered oh hell it's only 3/4 of a lb, it'll work out... :-X ;D
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I wouldn't do it. The jetting may "cover it up" but it is still a leak. I can't see why you're having such trouble w/ the manifold. Maybe it's a case leak? At this point I would pressurize it, and dunk it in a tub of water. A cool trick on this engine... You can double up the crank seals. I have (2) on each side. They are so small there is no issue w/ drag. Keep at it Bats.
J., does your tester also pressurize as well? Maybe reverse the ball pump? Check valve?
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I wouldn't do it. The jetting may "cover it up" but it is still a leak. I can't see why you're having such trouble w/ the manifold. Maybe it's a case leak? At this point I would pressurize it, and dunk it in a tub of water. A cool trick on this engine... You can double up the crank seals. I have (2) on each side. They are so small there is no issue w/ drag. Keep at it Bats.
J., does your tester also pressurize as well? Maybe reverse the ball pump? Check valve?
I didn't do it. ;) I miss my z :'(
Yeah, i had sprayed it this a.m to actually confirm it was still the intake seal job and of course it was. >:( @**!# #@!* *$#@!!#@..... ;D
I tore it apart again and dam, it was stuck on there, can't believe that was leaking. ::)
Reinstalled now, going to wait for some drying time and check again. I did change the tightening around and layed it thick. Keep your fingers crossed. :D ;)
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And this is how you cross your legs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K52C3AF3Ek#)
This guy hates women but wants to be one sooooo bad! Mass confusion... MOMMY!
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Another try has failed.. :'(
It is such a MINUTE leak... SHHHIT!!!! :-[
I seen some "as seen on t.v" rubber stuff at the local DG. Suppose to instantly fix leaks, rubberized spray.(seems like i seen that commercial. :-\) Either that or some good ol "goop" may work... :D
I'm about at my wits end with this tiny leak i cant get to disappear... >:( :( :-[ :-\
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You Got to be joking!
1st Stuck Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT3I1_jEh38#)
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You Got to be joking!
1st Stuck Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT3I1_jEh38#)
I need some of that sh**...lol..
I swear imma go get that spray rubber sh** from "as seen on tv".
The scooter gods are punishing me this week terribly.....
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Ain't you close enough to Josh. He can fix it in 20 minutes. (no offense) Got to be something you don't see.
Poor Bat's.
Blind Man Falls Out Of Toilet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0vJ3qNN6ok#ws)
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Na, i wish i was closer to him tho. ;D
He is about 3-3-1/2 hrs away. Now The Word Man is fairly close to him, think he's like 30 minutes from him.
I wish some dam body could fix it, evidently i can't. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :'( :'(
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Sorry Bat's, NO DISS! Have you tried flat planing all the surfaces? A machinist's block can solve it. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=42853 (http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=42853)
Use one as a base for some Emory paper, and true all the bits including the engine case under the manifold. Has to be a simple warp causing the trouble. Flatten it out!
Orrrrrr use the spray schtuff...NOT!
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Well i'm not sure what has transpired but after 100 tests i said it's going to be "do or die time".
I kept having issues with a leak down test, tested MANY,MANY times. The last 5 test i did showed no leakage. ??? ??? ??? IDK WTH is happening there.(long story)
SOOO, i said ok i'm done lets see what happens.
I finally got her together and she fired on the 3rd kick. ;D She has a definate different sound than before with the malossi kit on. Of course this is a 50 with a 44 crank.
I did have a touch of blueing on the pipe from before so i went ahead and jumped 2 sizes on the mj. (not sure what caused this or what throttle position, i was running wot alot.. ;D)
130mj 48pj 2nd slot needle.
This is going to be a challange as well since there is a set of secondary gears in (15/42) so i figure it's going to really whack out the cvt i had before.
I had made a short 15 second vid of the test fire but something is wrong with photobucket these days.. On MY end anyway, it's the only site that gives me trouble so i figured it was that site. Tried setting up with image shack and of course the vid isn't showing. Says it loaded but then says it's missing?
I did send the word man a copy of the vid to show off my proud moment, so i really do have proof that it fired... :D
Maybe photobucket will straighten out.. Has any one else had any issues with (them) lately?
J.... email being sent....
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Forgot to add...
I did fill the tank with 50.1 premix
I have done 4 heat up cycles..
I did go down the road to the end but i can tell the carb is off(still spitting) and of course the cvt is really off. I dont have a 2000 contra, needed to order a cpl but it appears that word ordered em all up. :o NOBODY has any red.. Seems that they are sqwapping to only green, violet, blue. Got the green and violet but they seem soft to me.. :D
Currently i have a S.A var w/9g malossi rollers
NCY 1500 contra with worn malossi 2000 flys.
Do have a motorio clutch to install but why scar it up till it's a bit closer. ;)
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Forgot to add...
I did fill the tank with 50.1 premix
I have done 4 heat up cycles..
I did go down the road to the end but i can tell the carb is off(still spitting) and of course the cvt is really off. I dont have a 2000 contra, needed to order a cpl but it appears that word ordered em all up. :o NOBODY has any red.. Seems that they are sqwapping to only green, violet, blue. Got the green and violet but they seem soft to me.. :D
Currently i have a S.A var w/9g malossi rollers
NCY 1500 contra with worn malossi 2000 flys.
Do have a motorio clutch to install but why scar it up till it's a bit closer. ;)
FIRST OFF! The kit runs at 37:1 full synth ONLY! Square that up. I use 1.75 oz. per tank. The carb spitting is showing rich so you may want to try leaning the main. I'm at 118main now w/ centered clip. The 48 pilot sounds right. I'm at 2 3/4 turns out w/ that.
SPI has the red spring in stock Get the torsion controller too $10.00 more. http://www.spi-parts.com/ (http://www.spi-parts.com/) Mention the forum/zombie for 10% off. I just talked to Louie last night, and he is extending the Zuma forum discount to us here.
The 9gr may be too heavy after breakin I am using 8's, and am cruising 45-50mph at 7.5-8gs. Still below the pipe so ther is PLENTY of power left. You may not get to the pipe rpms w/ the gears, AND heavy rollers but they will help for breakin.
You might want to go for lighter flys too. I'm using 1000, and have my delta set for the lowest rpm.s Much more rideable.
What is your Cyl. set up? Single/double/trip. gaskets? Oh use a BR9 plug. The 8 WILL detonate.
You're ahead of the curve now Bro!
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..i can't get it to embed...but here's th lil red demon!!
http://youtu.be/1_Vg_P3syBg (http://youtu.be/1_Vg_P3syBg)
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..aannd another...lol.
http://youtu.be/COVZIJJlyFE (http://youtu.be/COVZIJJlyFE)
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It's rich on the bottom, and dragging from low oil mix. It'll have more "pep" once you sort those out
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What up Word? Thanks for the uploads.(i could hear it but not see, thinking i may have to much ram going at that time??) :-\
Z, your running 37.1?.. If i remember right i seem to remember using 40.1
I'm under the impression that TO MUCH oil will lean????
(i had once poured 2x the oil and was told i had leaned instead of any richening.)
I just did the 50.1, didnt even think, I got a print of 32,40,50.1 ratios....
OH, how are you running 37.1 with only 1.75oz.?
It would/should be 5oz for a 32.1 mix????
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The tank is 3,7litre (.97 gal)(124oz) 1.75oz premix, and I'm running at... f***... I'm running at 70.8:1!!!!!!! f***!
Ok guys... Did I ever tell you how good Golden Spectro is. The BEST oil on the PLANET. Even a "Tree dwelling Croation" can't f*** it up!
I THOUGHT there were 64 oz in a gallon FUCCCCCK.
I had a series of cold/soft seizes that I got out w/ the pilot jet but "Holly bad math Batman"
GOOD CALL!
Wayne is the one that told me 37:1 full synth. to keep it running (Jiangwayne). I'll call to let him know it runs on MUCH less
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The tank is 3,7litre (.97 gal
The zx tank? I thought it was 1.3gal..
I had a 120mj in the carb before but since i had a spot of blue and it's colder weather is why i had shot up to the 130mj last night. The mj affecting idle-1/2?(you mentioned leaning the main)
I thought the mj was 3/4+
ISn't the needle 1/4-3/4?
idle is pj and mix?
I know it's gotta be rich from1/4-1/2, seems ok at idle. Of course i have never been sure of the amount of "constant" smoke from pipe. I got oil residue on it today from the test.. :D
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W/ gas at 3.97 a gal. I pay 3.50 to fill the tank. Just under a gallon You might be right. I need to check again or I'm running near 90:1.
The main does "bleed over into the idle circuit, just as the idle affects the wot. The OKO is VERY picky this way. It took alot of fiddleing to dial mine in. The excess oil MAY be from assembly. I just took it easy never going over the part of the jetting that was working. As a trouble spot appeared I wuld go back to the drawing board. If it ran good to lets say 1/2 I would cruise around at that for a bit, and go adjust the other part. That way I KNEW how it acted before, and after. That's how I found the "bleed" effect.
What oil are you using?
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Yeah the tank shoould be a 1.3 gal
I remember when i filled the s9 how much more they hold(S9=1.9gal.)
I guess i need to return the mj back to a 125-120(did have a 120)if that's the case.
I had tried richening the needle itself(mid slot) 1 slot but it made it worse(2nd slot,almost down again)
I usually use MOTUL 700 or 800 for the oil, but for this 1st fill up on the ZX i had to use BEL-RAY(which i swore i wasnt using anymore cause of carbon build up with Bel ray).
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Ok guys... Did I ever tell you how good Golden Spectro is. The BEST oil on the PLANET. Even a "Tree dwelling Croation" can't f*** it up!
I THOUGHT there were 64 oz in a gallon FUCCCCCK
..what you smokin' z??
??? :o ::) :o ???
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It's not the quantity, but rather the QUALITY!
Did you guys see that? A monkey just appeared on my screen! Bad monkey...
Damn. Where was I???
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Ok guys... Did I ever tell you how good Golden Spectro is. The BEST oil on the PLANET. Even a "Tree dwelling Croation" can't f*** it up!
I THOUGHT there were 64 oz in a gallon FUCCCCCK
I'm gonna submit that quote to G.Spectro. Maybe they'll send me some free oil for the slogan. Like Robert Blake selling STP back in the day
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Can some one explain to me which wire do you cut from the CDI and how.If some one uploads a picture of a CDI done like thiss i would be very grateful. :)
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Well, i installed 1 size smaller main...125
Lowered the needle to the 1st slot(all the way down) and NOW she may want to run...
From my readings, if the needle needs to be all the way DOWN then you should install a smaller pj
If it's all the way UP, then a bigger jet is needed.. Wondering if i should install smaller pj so i can raise the needle back to 2nd or mid slot???????
This engine sounds so much different than the malossi kit did... This one is deeper but yet more "dirt bikey" sounding when throttle is given... Idling she just shakes and thumps... ;D
I would have thought that the carb set up that was in would have been ok since i was using it in the summer months but it wasnt... Rich as a mo fo.(up to 1/2 anyway, hadnt went past half yet. ;))
I should probably add another oz of oil to my tank to get 40.1 instaed of the 50.1 in it now
I'm hoping to get some carb advice again on this 24mm OKO.......
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Can some one explain to me which wire do you cut from the CDI and how.If some one uploads a picture of a CDI done like thiss i would be very grateful. :)
Wrong thread Santa... Or is it Satan...
They'll fix it for you
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From my readings, if the needle needs to be all the way DOWN then you should install a smaller pj
If it's all the way UP, then a bigger jet is needed.. Wondering if i should install smaller pj so i can raise the needle back to 2nd or mid slot?
Zactley right on the main... The jet you change depends on where the trouble comes in. If you are cruising real nice at low rpm's then go for the main. Try a "chop at top end. We have that goofy "boost jet" to deal with too.
If your idle to a TINY bit of throttle is good for cruise (20-25mph), and your transition to top feels good leave the Pilot alone, and do the main. When you do you will need to enrich the air screw to compensate.
Goofy ass carb...
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Psssss Bro! Now that I know there are 124ish ounces to a gallon I adjusted too. I'm now on a 120
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We have that goofy "boost jet" to deal with too
I havent even touched that dam thing. I was lost on it beforre now.. :D
The only way to open that jet is to EXPOSE that jet. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of needing a clean carb? Great way for debris to get inside through that jet....
Oh Hey, what's your pipe smoking about? do you(the engine) smoke constantly thru the pipe. I seemed to have some smoke ok at 1st, went ot the store on her and sh**, i can tell a hella differnce vs the 70!! ;D 8) CRUISING 50 at 1/4 throttle WITH 9g rollers. ;)
Alot more power below, no strain at all today ran nice but by the time i got home the pie wasnt smoking anymore. I have NEVER had a thick, constant cloud of smoke surrounding the scoot.
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Oh yeah, What did you say about a silent pipe on de accel long ago?
My pipe did seem to get quiet coming to the drive on de accel.
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It's gotta be your oil Bats. (smoke) The kit is recommended to run on FULL Synth.
The boost jet runs off the bowl, and the jet itself is under the straight screw on TOP where the hose connects. If you run an air box the jet kicks in but our open filters don't really allow it to run. The ONLY time I feel it is when I TOP out in rpm's. It will slow you down, and it actually runs rich. I just ignore it, and run the regular jets. I try NOT to top out this scoot as I want to sell it. Going on Craigs list tomorrow nite, as well as the forums.
I'm tired of maintaining a stressed out scoot. Same as a Bi-polar wife. TIRED OF THEM BOTH!
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A quite pipe is too lean on the pilot. You should hear a Pop...Pop...Pop... vrooooommmmmmmmmmmmm pop pop pop. That quite is making the heat STAY instead of diminish. It's more important for the track but our scoots are as close to "track" as any.
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quite pipe is too lean on the pilot. You should hear a Pop...Pop...Pop... vrooooommmmmmmmmmmmm pop pop pop. That quite is making the heat STAY instead of diminish. It's more important for the track but our scoots are as close to "track" as any
Well sh**, I bet when i lowered the needle all the way down, it must have leaned in between 1/4-1/2 on de accel. She had a NICE cruise on the way to ingles. Cruising 50 @ 7300rpm. Dam, i was thinking the same carb set up would still be good. ::) Here we go again... :-X
The cvt is sh** though, kindof, sortof, maybe, but in a way not really. :o ::). Clutch doesn't want to "grab" right.. Feels slippy maybe? old clutch with old 2000 flys also don't help.(sure the 9s r partly to blame too)
I cant believe you installed a green malossi. I thought the green was way soft. sh**, violet too for that matter. ;D(green feels as soft as a white)
I'm tired of maintaining a stressed out scoot. Same as a Bi-polar wife. TIRED OF THEM BOTH!
I'd be tired of the wife part for dam sure... :D
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Your cruise sounds cool. The low needle explains the quite de-cell. Go down on the main. You can get a 118 ( I'LL find the link) and rich the air screw to compensate for that.
9's sound right as you are at good cruise rpm's.
Cause your rpm's are down the clutch will slip' Go to OEM or weaker springs to allow it to really grab. We are running a different set up, and the 2000 are more for "drag set ups" With all the torque from the kit we need more clutch grab not less. Either stretch yours to just bounce on NO slack or get OEM Kymcos. WE HAVE MONSTER TORQUE! RPM'S Are just a causilty
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I cant believe you installed a green malossi.
I'm on the RED contra, and OEM fly springs now. I really can't find any more to do to it! Drilled some holes in the "footwell" area for cooling the regulator, and ran out of mods. Like having a girl w/ a boob on her back just for hugs!!! What more can you do!
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I really can't find any more to do to it! Drilled some holes in the "footwell" area for cooling the regulator, and ran out of mods. Like having a girl w/ a boob on her back just for hugs!!! What more can you do!
SHHHHHIT. Naked bars?...(i want those too)
Bigger kit that fkr?... Next Stop....125cc(well, i think it's a 122)
Paint the wheels? black the lenses like i done.. See, you have several more mods.... :D
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Your cruise sounds cool. The low needle explains the quite de-cell. Go down on the main. You can get a 118 ( I'LL find the link) and rich the air screw to compensate for that.
9's sound right as you are at good cruise rpm's.
Cause your rpm's are down the clutch will slip' Go to OEM or weaker springs to allow it to really grab. We are running a different set up, and the 2000 are more for "drag set ups" With all the torque from the kit we need more clutch grab not less. Either stretch yours to just bounce on NO slack or get OEM Kymcos. WE HAVE MONSTER TORQUE! RPM'S Are just a causilty
I do have a 120 i can stick in.(that was in it before)
Yeah, she seems like she has the torque.. I thought the stiffer flys helped get that grab i like? I do like having a "stall". I cant wait till i can get her towards town and really see the power difference.(figure it's goona be a day or 2 before i take her to far from home..
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Aprilla SR Factory... Next stop. Most likely in June Unless I get a Bite on the Z
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Aprilla SR Factory... Next stop. Most likely in June Unless I get a Bite on the Z
A hella choice right there......
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You're doing the right thing. Keep it low, and slow till it's jetted. On the plus side I have heated my pipe to pure silver, and run at 1/3rd 2t oil for 3-4-5 hundred miles in a month. The kit will take lean just NO detonation.
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You're doing the right thing. Keep it low, and slow till it's jetted. On the plus side I have heated my pipe to pure silver, and run at 1/3rd 2t oil for 3-4-5 hundred miles in a month. The kit will take lean just NO detonation.
Yeah, she will be going real slow for a bit..I didn't get to mess with it any today. Today is my LONG day at school. Hopefully it'll be nice out tomorrow and i can adjust the carb again and test.
Everything seemed ok with that ride to the grocery store. In still have the BR8 plug in, seems every shop/store is out of any 9's altogether, half of them are even out of 8's. Maybe somebody will get some plugs in. ::) (hell, i 'm about out of the "100" i had stock piled from chops,etc.)
I guess i need to richen up the de-accel. Imma have to raise the needle for that though. Imma try your post about the 120. ;D.
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I forgot to mention the BR9's are not sold in the US. They aren't even listed here. http://www.superscoot.eu/products/1039-ngk-br9hsa.aspx (http://www.superscoot.eu/products/1039-ngk-br9hsa.aspx) They are not imported at all. You have to get them From Jiangwayne. Wayne will hook you up with 6 of them for 25 bucks shipped. Alot of people have asked lately. I just never posted it. (ace in the hole). I think they may be too cold to meet emissions or some such. Cant really figure why else
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They aren't? Say what?
I was going to the local Napa auto parts and buying the BR9's at one point.
(i was getting all my plugs there, way cheaper than the local scoot shops. ;)) :D
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Well, I'm starting to believe that all this smoke a 2t is SUPPOSE to throw out is hog wash...
I have NEVER had alot of smoke out the pipe. Get some at idle but when moving, NO smoke from then on..
I tried a suggestion this a.m and it does seem to be working??. I raised the needle 1 slot and now.....Rich again, with VERY LITTLE smoke.(as usual)
I removed my plug this am to see what it looked like from my 10mi? ride to a store.
Plug was black and dry, bout to start the sooty stage.. Maybe i need to install the 45pj.?.?.?.?.... :-[
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AALLLLRIIIIGHTY THEN.....
I went out and tried this again, going down1 size on the mj did seem to help a bit but it still has a slight silent spot on DE-accel right above idle position.
When taking off it spits up to half? You can baby it some. Don't get me wrong, it's still going but you can tell it's just "clearing her throat", then it's fine. So, that's rich for the 1st 30ft???
Still wonder about pj change/needle raise ??? ??? :-\ :-\ ::) ::)
Im going to try again here in a bit, i won't get to play with her much tonight. I have a paper due in the a.m. to finish.. :'(
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You might just go down on the pilot (jet) maybe 46-47. These carbs are TWEAKY. If you do try raising the clip after a short test ride. Mine took 10-15 re jets to balance it.
This would be a good spot to mention after correcting the 2t ratio (thanks Bats) as SOON as the new mix hit the cyl. it picked up both rpm's (maybe 100 or so)and speed (1-2 mph). Had to turn down the speed screw too.
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Hey Z. Well the jet pk i have didnt come with a 46-7.. Gots either 42, 45, 48(which is in now)
Currently 120mj
48pj
needle in the 2nd slot(almost down)
Mix at 1 out...
I did install a different clutch a bit ago cuz the flys in the other clutch are toast.(i can pull the shoe out 2" by hand) and now the takeoff is slacked off. Doen's "Grab" like it should, it wants to "ease" in to going. I'm afraid these gears are going to mess with my at the cvt time.. I want that "jump" off the line back. when you wop the throttle i want to see that engine jump... 8)
Another question, my pipe sat on the shelf for like 8 months untill this build.
The pipe is ALOT louder now. sounds like a PISSED weedeater. Is it possible the packing dried out or something making the loudness? idle is seems quiet but when you give any throttle watch out :o
I'm sure to piss off the ppl in town with that noise. ;D Whats hat old saying i said from the bike days???????? "LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES"..
Another, is there any way to remove the "blueing" i have on the pipe? (small spot after the 1st bend)
Kindof hard to see any gold color appearing with the blue in the way.. ::)
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needle in the 2nd slot(almost down)
Mix at 1 out...
try turning the mix out to 2- 2 1/2. It will lean you out to see if the bog goes away. That screw does a LOT on these. You may then be able to richen the clip too. Don't sweat the blue bro. sh** happens. I don't really have a super launch either... so I just keep rolling the throttle. It's not a drag set up. I think my springs are equal to bic pens springs, and luv it. It just rolls like a manual clutch. No more 5-6k take offs.
your pipe is louder cause of the bigger exhaust port. Not much you can do about that either. Try some shredded fiber glass stuffed into the silencer as you push it together. You can pack it in real tight, and It may quite down a little
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I'll try that out and see...
Well dam, i liked that jumpiness.. Sitting at a light, wop the throttle and jump.. ;D
I figured this thing would JUMP on the rear wheel, gears or not... :D
I didn't think the pipe should be messed up since it only had like 1000 miles on it.
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This is a different type carb Munks. It has for jets
Jerry Seinfeld and friends Dancing Armenian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=negaonJut_M#)
FOUR JETS
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WTF?????????????????????
That guy Monks post is POOF!!! It's gone??????
WTF???? How did that happen???
I've Been Hacked!! :o :-\ :o :-\ :o :-\
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Elaine's dancing scares me... :o
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Well, I'm trying to get me a few adjustments on my carb today during writing this dam essay paper.
I had went and reinstalled a 45pj and that SEEMS to have helped that 35ft spit.
I still havent really went over 1/2 throttle yet but DAM, at 1/4 throttle an cruising 50 at 72-7300rpm. I wanna try this bitch WFO. ;D ;) As of now the cvt is still off of ccourse. I tried spinning the tire and it didnt want to spin as easy as before(but the cvt is off too)
Thought of maybe raising the needle up 1 slot just to richen a bit but idk yet
Hey Z, you may be able to answer this one. What size allen head is in these forks?
My forks need redoing and i've not tackled that chore before.(i can hear the oil squishing in the forks. The handling dam sure isn't the same right now. ;))
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I dont know the number allen I just use the one that fits. A metric SET at the hardware...
I have 8wt oil, and a 4mm spring shim that made them quicker on the rebound.
If you have air your seals are shot. Get them at the auto parts... You dont have to disassemble the forks either. You can "pick" them out w/ an aAwl, and small hammer. Or put 1 tablespoon of Brake Fluid in each fork. The fluid softens, and swells the seals. The effect never stops either. Dont use too much or it will dissolve the seals. ONE tablespoon
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(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/cf6e0c82.jpg)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/05051824.jpg)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/05051825.jpg)
Just wanted to show my baby again... ::)
Need to look and see what build pics i've not posted yet
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Finally took the zx for a good ride and wouldn't you know she broke down. :'(
IDK WTH happened but for some reason my gear oil burnt up. Something going on in the rear end.
CVT was fkn HOT, i thought the belt went from the noise and actions, when i pulled over she didnt want to roll, i took the cvt cover off and seen the cvt LOOKS ok, then i drained the gear oil on the side of the rd for S&G and it was BLACK. I just fkn hope any gears are NOT broken.
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..didnt you put that new gearset in it?
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You had something binding. You will see the shearing once you get it open. Sucks Bro!
The Picts reminded me I still have that pipe. Let me know what happens...
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..agreed...something needed shaving..shimming...
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Yeah, i had installed a 15/42 secondary gear set......
Lowered the cruise rpm nicely i think... Yeah, i'm afraid of the mess that may be in there. the wheel does roll forward but will bind backwards... She was doing so good too... ::)
Shaved or shimmed?. I never even checked the bell/wheel ratio either. ::)
I iz worried on that one..
The Picts reminded me I still have that pipe. Let me know what happens...
You had to have changed your mind on that. It was "mailed" one day. I emailed saying it never showed in case it got lost, never heard back. So i figured you changed your mind about it.. :'(
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..well fuk...
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..well fuk...
Thats about what i said... ;D
Think i had a few more fks tho... :D
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I left it behind when I moved shops. I got it back a few days ago. I'll get it to you
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Moved shops?...
Did you get the apt with the shop one?
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Moved shops?...
Did you get the apt with the shop one?
..that would be so fukn real....
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HELL YES IT WOULD....
(i like the glow tab, that's pretty cool there... :D)
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..i need me a TSG....
:o
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A WSG.... :D
I thought about one of those "out buildings"/sheds with a loft for extra parts.
No credit check, rent to own on them as well.... :D
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...imma score me something...
..too many scoots in my house...
:P
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too many scoots in my house...
NEVER... to many kymco's in da hiz ouse... ::)
Imma have to send a pic of a LONG term i been doing.(sux bein a broke nigga) :D ::)
Oh fk, i'll be called racist again.. :-X
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..we all know th broke nigga...we all that..
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sh**, it's took me almost a yr? so far and still no where with it....
couldnt even pick a name iz so broke....
"If it cost a nickel to get aroung the world.... I couldn't get out of sight"... :D.. :D :o ::)
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..WELL..IF NOT FOR THE GEARING DELIMA.....
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Oh no, this is different...
Been a long term project. Started with a FRAME. ;)
(i guess i got maternal twins, not identical like your family... :D)
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Well i was going to post pics of this a.m but for some fkn reason my printer isn't loading to my computer. It shows on the printer itself? WTF? never done this before
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what in ther fkn hell is this fkn sh**..
I DID NOT POST THE SAME PIC GUYS
god dam fkn sh** >:( >:( >:( >:(
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(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/5467d95f.jpg)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/7bcd3f94.jpg)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/339d8df5.jpg)
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/002d1038.jpg)
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I don't get it... What happened?
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SOOOOOOOO, IDK ATM if i fkd up and installed the gear backwards to cause this or what. Of course i never had any help, input, visuals with a gear swap so i guess you can say i was the dam guinia pig and it looks like i cost myself an expensive set of primarys.
Learn from my mistakes folks.
I hope one day this thread does help someone with their ZX but of course you may have to sort through the anger, frustration, language that comes from me. I hate being the only one in the mtns. to mod, build scoots. :'( :-[
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I don't get it... What happened?
That my friend, is the $64,000 question...
My initial thought was maybe i had installed the gear backwards that runs on the input shaft as seen in the pic at the rear tail light
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I am the ONLY one for 100 miles in every direction that does this. People see me zooming around, and it brings plenty of scoot repairs. I still don't get what happened... If the gear or boss were a few thousandths too big it would create heat, and burn the oil. Is that what happened? Or was there an alignment/meshing problem. Gear angle? There should be about 1mm play thru the entire drive train.
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(9)- 70 MPH RACING Gears Installation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr_V0SfQByI#)
I don't really like this guy but something on the site may ring a bell for you.
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The input shaft gear looks like it was knawed on, lile you tried shaving the gear?
The only explanation i thought of was a backwards install but i guess not.
The gears had came from Steve at M.H
Everything had went together nice and smoothly, no troubles. Even pressed the gear on the small shaft easily.. Everything turned nice and smoothly. She couldn't get a wheelie with the gears but i knew that going in.. ;D
Maybe those Motorio gears werent intended. I had thought they were going to be straight cut but when i recieved them, they weren't but then again IDT the oem were either. Steve had directed me with that purchase. I wouldn't have thought any angle, mesh issue since everything was smooth....
Maybe that should have been the warning label.. ;) Smooth install = trouble ahead.. :D ::)
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All the aftermarket gears are angle cut. It lessons the "noise". did you remember to add oil? I call MH, and see what they have to say... Maybe a "common" problem?
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did you remember to add oil?
Yeah, she had oil in. After i seen the cvt appeared ok, i removed the drain bolt and that's when i seen the BLACK gear oil and knew something was wrong..(90wt gear oil)
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What brand were the gears? Maybe cheap SOFT steel? China part? You have alot of torque hitting THAT gear so maybe just cheap!
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The secondary gears i installed are fine..which are Motorio. I changed secondary, not the primary
Nothing happened to THOSE gears.. The INPUT shaft/clutch shaft is whats fkd.
Which makes no dam sense to me.... :-\ :'( Something fkd up the angle, SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW but it looks like that will remain a mystery. It looks fine inside cept for that shaft and the burnt gear oil mess.
Maybe the "Mystery Machine" will pop up for a house call. :-\ :'(
Thats why i thought maybe installed back wards but i reckon not...
His vids didnt show a thing. He likes talking, playing music. Yeah, he has a fkn worse 'tude than i do. WILL NOT speak unless you "donate" $ to him. I had FINALLY gotten a reply one time back in the day from him. No help, no info, just wanting a g.d "donation"..I think he's given up on scoots as well, any newer vids are of painting
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The only OTHER explanation i can even think of is if the hole that the gears sit in has been "wallered out". If THAT'S the case, then the WHOLE ENGINE block is fkd. Here is the hole i'm speaking of...
(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/therealbat/My%20beastly%20ZX%20Going%20bigger%20this%20time/466ffb2c.jpg)
That could cause a mis-alignment i'd say
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The angle being off is the only thing I can think of myself... But that should not be. If that were the case one end of the gear would be shiny worn, and the other would be untouched
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That would do it. It would force the gear to misalign on the next causing a sawing vs meshing. You can get a machined collar to fit the gear shaft, and have it machined into the casing. Maybe 25 bucks for the work, and 20 or so for the collar. Any good engine rebuild shop will have what you need, and it will actually be MUCH stronger. I am thinking about a complete gear set myself. I need 6-7:1 final as the 8:1 now is too short for long top end runs
Go for new bearings too. The Auto parts store will have them.
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I am thinking about a complete gear set myself
UHHHHH, you used to swear that you had gears in your z.. What happened with that?
. Maybe 25 bucks for the work, and 20 or so for the collar. Any good engine rebuild shop will have what you need, and it will actually be MUCH stronger.
No engine building shops in these mtns anymore.. Banjo woulda laughed at a scooter anyway.
I live in a hard core progressive town these days. They all have been run out of town. SOOOOOO,..... >:( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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13:1 is the oem. I bought my scoot with the secondary gears changed to 8.3:1. I just don't know what brand they are. I figure swap the primaries to 6.5:1, and 65mph should be easy. I'm on the high side of 10g's at 65 now, and would like to be at 8.5 - 9.5gs.
Maintenance is constant so I'd like to bring down the rpms a bit. It'll give me a chance to paint it black too. (gear case)
As far as the case goes try some stainless or titanium tubing. You can get both at home depot places. Plumbing /bathroom stuff. It is thin enough that you could hog out, and fit a bushing yourself. Seal it with epoxy or Green Loktite and it is a vast improvement in itself. An hour or two tops.
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Damn Dude!!!! :o That really sucks! I have those same gears in mine and not had any issues. Did you get the thrust washers back in there correctly? I recall there being two and different sizes, so they only go in one spot...I'd have to look at my pics on my other computer. If that hole is wallowed out that would definitely cause a mis-alignment. I think the best bet to repair it would be to press in some sort of bushing...finding something the right size may be difficult though. I would also replace all the bearings while you're in there. I just did all of mine last summer. ;)
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:o Whoa.. What's up Shaka? I was wondering if you were ever going to post again.. ;D
Good to hear from you man. ;)
Yeah, i had gotten the washers back in BUT the blue plastic washer was torn all to hell. I had even thought yesterday that MAYBE? that plastic washer going bad, MAY have caused the gear to shift giving the mis alignment, THEN that would explain the hole getting wallered out some??????????
I tried measureing MY hole vs the oem hole and it appears it was wallered out like .6mm? (from around 13.9 to 14.5mm)
WHY they install a plastic washer i'll never know. It KINDOF makes sense though, the blue plastic washer going bad, then that would give it the 1-2mm shift to cause the mis-alignment maybe????
It's kindof baffeling. I was expecting a broke gear, sheared, something not the input shaft being shaved.
That was DEFINATELY heart breaking to see. She seemed to be running pretty dam good
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Whats Shakin' Shaka?
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...dammit batman..you gots sh** for luck,bro....
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...dammit batman..you gots sh** for luck,bro....
I think i'm about inclined to agree with you on that..
Did you see that sh**? All the gears that are sold and I have the issue. ::) W.I.T.H????
Imma take the s9 back stock one day, then i won't have any worries there... :D ::) :'(
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Imma take the s9 back stock one day, then i won't have any worries there
..if y' happy with that....
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I bet they have meetings for worn out tuners too. 12 step sh**...
#1 No Springs
2 OEM rollers Only
12 39mm piston Limit
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..39mm pistons kick ass!!!...
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Gun too Big (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xki-Hqpm6o#)
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..lmfao....
:D ;D :D
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DAAAAAAM...... :o
ROFLMAO...... :D
..if y' happy with that....
Not really. :-\ BUT $135 vs $275+ :'(
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...i gotta pee...
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...i gotta pee...
OOOOOOKkk...... ::)
Hope everything comes out ok... :D
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Hey guys,
I'm flippin w/o the z and wanted to get your opinion on a probably dumb brain fart...
I have another rear hub now. What could/would the chances be of installing the hub and fix the "wobble" i have from the gear screw-up.
Re-install with different shaft and rock-on???
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What caused it? I forgot.
If its the hub thats bad... replace it. Got to fix whatever caused it too. Reminds me I gotta get a gasket.
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Where is it the "wobble" coming from...the wheel itself, or the output shaft from the final reduction? The only thing you can really do is replace the output shaft bearing. I had to do that on mine...turns out the shaft itself is worn also. Oh well...I accidentally ordered an output shaft for an S9...still have it too! However, after replacing just the bearing I don't notice it anymore...before it was getting scarey! Anyone need a S9 output shaft? ::)
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I might! Let you know.
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It looks the same as the one for the ZX but longer to accommodate the rear disc. Thought about a conversion for a minute...then decided it's not worth it. My rear brake works just fine as is. ;)
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I'm looking for a Minarelli long case w/ disc. The ZX brake has never been an issue. I got the Malossi shoes 4 years ago. Just fine.
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WOW....
Everybody done forgot the rear end gear damage i had recently...
Pics posted of it as well....
well, maybe one side being fixed would help it not to happen again, but i'm afraid it will..
I can get one ride out of her anyway
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I'm looking for a Minarelli long case w/ disc
Sold it a cpl months back.... the girl wrecked it shortly after and been parked since...
I got a short case... :D(yamaha vino)
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Didn't forget the thread just the Cause. You have to nail down the cause.
I gave a way a short case awhile ago (attached to a jog) Those tiny scoots just don't feel right. I need a long case rear disc for a custom case drag project I have in mind.Dual 14-17mm carbs directed forward underneath the engine. The intake will be moved from the top to the bottom of the cases along with dual reed cages. I have been looking for a MX jug/head to adapt to the cases too. Got some Crazy cfm numbers in my head that need to be put into a scooter engine.
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I should say that the 100mph mark is the goal. Maybe not in the 1/8th mile but still the goal.
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I should say that the 100mph mark is the goal
..onna zx??
..the cajones on that man!!..
:o
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NEVER! I'm looking at a spree frame to reinforce/strip to the bone. This is a TRACK only project just to see if I can outsmart the engineers. I imagine it will be almost 5 1/2' long at the wheels, and 20" tall at the seat. They opened the airfield here to weekend speed trials. NO head to head just times.