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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: aokark on November 14, 2010, 09:01:38 PM
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Hi everyone
I am new here but also new to the scooter family, or actually I am not there yet :)
I have been doing some research for the past few days and decided to take the step and a few hundred dollars up from the china scooters to hopefully something with more quality and reliability.
What I've found so far is that Kymco makes some good, affordable scooters.
So to not break my bank I found the Agility 50 4t to be quite affordable, a new seems to be about $1600 around here. This is really pushing my limit though.
My question for you guys here would be if the Agility 50 4t is as reliable as Kymco seems to be known for, or if the model has had some quality cut-downs to lower the price.
I really don't mind the speed being restricted to 30mph but I don't mind doing minor tweaks. I just don't want to worry about being stranded halfway to my destination every time I take the scooter out.
Thank you for your time!
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Hi everyone
I am new here but also new to the scooter family, or actually I am not there yet :)
I have been doing some research for the past few days and decided to take the step and a few hundred dollars up from the china scooters to hopefully something with more quality and reliability.
What I've found so far is that Kymco makes some good, affordable scooters.
So to not break my bank I found the Agility 50 4t to be quite affordable, a new seems to be about $1600 around here. This is really pushing my limit though.
My question for you guys here would be if the Agility 50 4t is as reliable as Kymco seems to be known for, or if the model has had some quality cut-downs to lower the price.
I really don't mind the speed being restricted to 30mph but I don't mind doing minor tweaks. I just don't want to worry about being stranded halfway to my destination every time I take the scooter out.
Thank you for your time!
They are as good as any mass produced scooter of today may be.
Among the best, I would say.
However, I have a problem with 50 cc 4 stroke. If you have driver's license for bigger scoots, go for 125 cc.
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Having over 2 years of daily commuting through all four seasons, the Agility 50 has been extremely reliable and easy to ride. Never had any kind of major problem yet - worst thing was the starter went and I had to use the kick start for a few weeks until I bought a new one.
Haven't seen Word around the forum lately - but he put 54,000km on his Agility so yeah, they can handle the work!
Derestricting isn't hard to do, and doesn't cost much.
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They are as good as any mass produced scooter of today may be.
Among the best, I would say.
However, I have a problem with 50 cc 4 stroke. If you have driver's license for bigger scoots, go for 125 cc.
What kind of problems are you having? Or do you mean it just feels slow because it's a 4 stroke? Would you recommend 2 stroke for a 50cc engine?
I live in Miami and the traffic here is very thick, so I believe I will be fine with 50cc. But also because if I go up to 125cc I have to pay the expensive insurance and that's mainly why I don't have a car. I just can't afford $100+/mo for insurance without a job :(.
Another question: If say I would do any kind of derestriction, wouldn't the warranty cancel?
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The 4 stroke won't have the power of a 2 stroke, but you do get better gas mileage and better longevity. Where I ride, the speed limit only gets up to 30 mph so I didn't need anything faster.
And yes, where I live you can't register a 50cc so not paying for plates and such. I do go with insurance though - but for full insurance I pay $95 a year so you might want to check out the cost - it's probably much less than you think.
Derestricting does not change the warranty, the speed restrictions are simply due to laws restricting the speed 50cc scoots are supposed to be able to achieve - not because the scoot can't go faster for mechanical reasons. In many countries the restrictions are not placed on the scoot at all.
Now if you start going with a big block kit - then you're out of the warranty coverage...
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Oh, and I am remiss in not saying welcome to the forum...
...another advantage of buying a Kymco - you'll find a lot of support form people who have the same scoot as you.
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The 4 stroke won't have the power of a 2 stroke, but you do get better gas mileage and better longevity. Where I ride, the speed limit only gets up to 30 mph so I didn't need anything faster.
And yes, where I live you can't register a 50cc so not paying for plates and such. I do go with insurance though - but for full insurance I pay $95 a year so you might want to check out the cost - it's probably much less than you think.
Derestricting does not change the warranty, the speed restrictions are simply due to laws restricting the speed 50cc scoots are supposed to be able to achieve - not because the scoot can't go faster for mechanical reasons. In many countries the restrictions are not placed on the scoot at all.
Now if you start going with a big block kit - then you're out of the warranty coverage...
Ah, thank you! That helped a lot.
I've been reading about 4 and 2 stroke and like you said, I don't really need anything faster than the legal limit... Plus the other benefits of a 4 stroke makes me lean towards it more.
Yes, the cheapest insurance for 50CC is about $100/year which definitely is affordable, but I meant if I want to get something like a 125CC, the rates are much higher... At least for me being a male under 25 and also on a F1-Visa
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Just not having a license plate is worth it to me. The residential streets are 25mph here and they have photo radar all over the place - mobile units that get moved around so you never know when they will be on any given day.
No plate, no ticket!
And I can park in the bike racks or lock up to a pole somewhere.
Be sure to buy a sturdy lock by the way.
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Oh yea that's right! My bicycle lock is horribly thin and and would be eeeeeeasy to cut... Any recommendations on good locks? I know a while back there were some locks that could be opened using a pen so I want to find a good lock and also a good helmet :) hehe
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I went with a really big, thick, chain lock. No way anyone is cutting through that thing or picking it with a pen cap. Not cheap, and weighs quite a bit, but a good investment to protect the scoot. Where I park bikes get stolen all the time and a I've seen security footage of 2 guys picking up a 220 lb scoot and throw it in the back of a truck and be gone within 30 seconds.
Here's what I use: http://www.onguardlock.com/?page_id=329 (http://www.onguardlock.com/?page_id=329)
Fits nicely in the underseat storage space (met-in box if you want the technical term).
And good move on the helmet - they're not required by law for 50cc scoots here, but you're crazy not to use one.
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It would be good if you could borrow a helmet then ride your scoot to try out different helmets and find one that fits under your seat. Some helmets don't fit.
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Some helmets don't fit.
Good point. If you're buying the scoot new from the dealer, they will have a variety of helmets to look at and you can test them out to see if they fit under the seat.
Generally, you won't fit a full face helmet under the seat if it's a large or bigger, but the 2/3rds open face ones will fit.
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Yea would never get out there on the road without a helmet! And yea I think a good lock is worth the money... I live in a gated area but the other day I saw a van parked here all burnt up, not sure if it was an accident or not but don't like taking risks.
Oh that's a good idea Rianna, thank you. I am going to take a look around different shops here next week and I'll try to see if they have some helmets I can try. I do have a small head though hehe :)
Thank you so much for your time and help and this forum is already on my quick bookmark list! Hopefully one of the few scooter dealers here have the Agility 50 and I'll soon be driving one myself.
Again, thank you Oswaldters, Rianna and Axy
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True, oswaldters. My medium full face fits under the seat but I read where different brands measure differently. So if I got a Medium in another brand it may not fit.
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I wonder about those modular helmets - since the chin area folds up they might fit?
I'm going to need a new helmet in the not too distant future and I'm really leaning towards going with the full face instead of my current open face helmet. But the thought of having to carry the thing instead of fitting it under the seat makes me wonder.
I guess I have a big head because I need a large...
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The one I borrowed didn't fit under the seat so I carried it with me everywhere until mine arrived. I would just flip it upside down and hook my arm through the face opening. :D
It's a lot less hassle and worry keeping it locked under the seat. The open face ones offer no protection for your chin, though.
Hope they have one in stock for you, aokark!
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Yes, that lack of chin protection is what worries me.
That's why I'm thinking of going with the full face.
But the open face is nice because it is cooler in the hot summers and I can cuss out other drivers so much more effectively.
...both key concerns!
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I like the full face ones more than the open, just hope it will fit :)
How's the protection on the modular ones when they are open? Could there be a risk of it opening up if in an accident?
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Could there be a risk of it opening up if in an accident?
That is a concern - but I do know of someone who was wearing one when a car ran into her. She landed on her face and it held.
I'm sure they wouldn't be especially safe for those going at much higher speeds.
Never tried using one though, so I can't say for sure.
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I have to say that you can get really injured even at slow speeds in a car. I've learned this from experience. On a scoot probably more so.
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Absolutely true - I think for that reason I probably wouldn't go with the modular helmet.
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I'm not saying the modular ones are not good, though. I've actually never seen one and I'm sure they are better than no helmet!
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A modular would only work for me if it could offer the same level of protection as the full face. I'm just not sure if that's the case
The modular part would only be an advantage to me if it allowed the helmet to fit under the seat.
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Ya know...there is a website...somewhere (I hate that I lost my bookmarks!) that shows the measurements across various popular brands of helmets according to their size. I found it when looking for helmets online. If I could remember where it was it would be nice to post it so folks could just measure their space under the seat to see which sized of which brands fit.
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You must have had some bunch of bookmarks!
The met-in area is awkward because you have that little shelf in the front of the box which would be a problem for the chin part on a full face.
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I turn mine around backwards, though, oswaldters. So like when I put the key in and pop the seat the shield side is facing the me at the back of the scoot. It just fits better. Then I raise the shield and slide my hand in to pull it up out. I don't know if that would work for a modular or not. That motocross style one did not fit any direction...I tried.
OH Man, did I have the bookmarks! You Have to bookmark when you have no memory. I've only got a dozen or so now and the 'puter looks naked. :D
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Well now I'm going to try and face the helmet towards the back and see how that works.
Never thought to do that before since the open face fits fine facing forward.
Ultimately, I'll just borrow the neighbor's full face and see if it will fit when the time comes to get the new helmet.
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What kind of problems are you having? Or do you mean it just feels slow because it's a 4 stroke? Would you recommend 2 stroke for a 50cc engine?
I have Agility 125 and People 250S and if I could choose and was restricted to 50 cc, for sure I would go with 2 stroke and I would probably check how many kW the engine develops. In that case, I would probably forget Kymco and go for Italian scoots as they develop 5.5 or more hp, which is twice the power of 4 stroke 50 cc.
For me, but that is just me, 50 cc 4 stroke is not acceptable, I have 240 lbs and have 13 km from home to work that include 17% downhill/uphill parts.
However, I must add that I do not know if Kymco has 5 or 6 hp engine in some 50 cc 2 stroke model.
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(4-stroke) MAX.HORSEPOWER kw(r/min) 2.6/7500 (limit) 2.8/8500 MAX.TORQUE N.m(r/min) 3.43/7000
(2-stroke) MAX.HORSEPOWER kw(r/min) 2.6/7500 (limit)　2.8/8500 MAX.TORQUE N.m(r/min) 3.5/7000
http://www.kymco.com/product/specification.asp?MotorCTID=C60CAE4E-2489-4102-90D0-1988B52D20F4 (http://www.kymco.com/product/specification.asp?MotorCTID=C60CAE4E-2489-4102-90D0-1988B52D20F4)
I must add though that here in Miami you don't really see any uphills... The 'uphills' we have, I can roll over with my bike lol
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Oh I want to add another question to my post...
The store I was looking at has a new Kymco Agility 50 4t from 2006 for $1450
Are there any important differences between 2006 and newer models?
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Oh I want to add another question to my post...
The store I was looking at has a new Kymco Agility 50 4t from 2006 for $1450
Are there any important differences between 2006 and newer models?
No.
Btw. MSRP is around 100 US$ more, I think they should give you at least 25 % discount.
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Thank you! I will try and talk the price down, although I have never done that before so not sure where to start but I'll give it a try!