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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: jermwars on November 12, 2021, 03:14:37 AM
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Looks like the AK550 wants a Yuasa TTZ12S battery...Seems that the YTZ12S is the sealed AGM version of the TTZ12S.
I like the idea of a sealed battery for some reason.
SURELY it makes no difference if they're the same in every other way...right?
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As long as you verify that the CCA, Ah capacity, length/width/height are all the same or better than original so that the battery will perform as well or better and so that it will fit.
ON first glance they look to be the same battery. Both maintenance free AGM batteries. Both the same size and shape. Sealed does not mean they cannot be opened by removing the top. But it does mean they don't leak if set on their sides or even upside down. Both are this way. AGM is why they don't leak almost as much as the case being leak proof (which it really isn't on either battery).
I don't find the TTZ12S listed on the USA Yuasa web site, but only the YTZ12S. And I don't find the YTZ12S on the UK Yuasa web site, but only the TTZ12S. Either one may be available on other web sites but this is what the battery manufacturer web sites show.
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As long as you verify that the CCA, Ah capacity, length/width/height are all the same or better than original so that the battery will perform as well or better and so that it will fit.
ON first glance they look to be the same battery. Both maintenance free AGM batteries. Both the same size and shape. Sealed does not mean they cannot be opened by removing the top. But it does mean they don't leak if set on their sides or even upside down. Both are this way. AGM is why they don't leak almost as much as the case being leak proof (which it really isn't on either battery).
I don't find the TTZ12S listed on the USA Yuasa web site, but only the YTZ12S. And I don't find the YTZ12S on the UK Yuasa web site, but only the TTZ12S. Either one may be available on other web sites but this is what the battery manufacturer web sites show.
I see!! Thank you very much...
While we're at it :D
My voltage indicator is showing about 12.7 when i turn the bike on in the morning...that seems on the low side to me.
Also, it shows about 14.2 with some RPMs. That also seems just a little low.
Both those numbers are well within the noted range in the service manual...and she fires right up and all...Is that about what yours reads?
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I see!! Thank you very much...
While we're at it :D
My voltage indicator is showing about 12.7 when i turn the bike on in the morning...that seems on the low side to me.
Also, it shows about 14.2 with some RPMs. That also seems just a little low.
Both those numbers are well within the noted range in the service manual...and she fires right up and all...Is that about what yours reads?
Minimum 12.6V to 13.2V for 100% state of charge so at rest its fine. 14.2V is good because the battery is almost fully charged when riding so there is no need to go to 14.4-14.5V for a bulk charge stage when the battery is low.
If you want to be 100% sure buy a 12V battery tester which can show you the CCA remaining, charge %, internal resistance and expected % life left. Example is attached.
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I see!! Thank you very much...
While we're at it :D
My voltage indicator is showing about 12.7 when i turn the bike on in the morning...that seems on the low side to me.
Also, it shows about 14.2 with some RPMs. That also seems just a little low.
Both those numbers are well within the noted range in the service manual...and she fires right up and all...Is that about what yours reads?
I do see those same numbers.
Those are normal numbers for a 12vdc vehicle battery. The higher number is bumped up due to the alternator pumping into the battery so is normal for a battery being charged, higher volts when the battery needs more of a recharge and dropping to the 14.2 when the battery is charged and just maintaining. The time to worry is if the charging voltage is NOT that high. If you only see 12.x volts while you are going down the road... meaning there is over 2500+ rpm... that means the charging system is not working and you will likely see the battery voltage dropping rather than being maintained. But 12.7 vdc at rest is good.
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As long as you verify that the CCA, Ah capacity, length/width/height are all the same or better than original so that the battery will perform as well or better and so that it will fit.
ON first glance they look to be the same battery. Both maintenance free AGM batteries. Both the same size and shape. Sealed does not mean they cannot be opened by removing the top. But it does mean they don't leak if set on their sides or even upside down. Both are this way. AGM is why they don't leak almost as much as the case being leak proof (which it really isn't on either battery).
I don't find the TTZ12S listed on the USA Yuasa web site, but only the YTZ12S. And I don't find the YTZ12S on the UK Yuasa web site, but only the TTZ12S. Either one may be available on other web sites but this is what the battery manufacturer web sites show.
My Burgman 400's battery laid on its side. I bought same base-size YUASA and moved up to a 14Ah battery for my nightly winter riding. No problem with leaking batteries on Burgman 400s.
Stig
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My Burgman 400's battery laid on its side. I bought same base-size YUASA and moved up to a 14Ah battery for my nightly winter riding. No problem with leaking batteries on Burgman 400s.
Stig
is the 12 in YTZ12S 12Ah?
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As long as you verify that the CCA, Ah capacity, length/width/height are all the same or better than original so that the battery will perform as well or better and so that it will fit.
I was being a spaz again...I had seen on their website that the YTZ12S and TTZ12S are not interchangeable. But that doesnt mean the YTZ12S isnt a proper replacement for the TTZ12S. It just means the TTZ12S isnt always a proper replacement for the YTZ12S.
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Buy a lithium ione battery, those you can mount even upside down. Costs the same and no worries anymore.
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Buy a lithium ione battery, those you can mount even upside down. Costs the same and no worries anymore.
Thought about one of those!! I like the idea of newer tech...you had good luck with them?
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Buy a lithium ione battery, those you can mount even upside down. Costs the same and no worries anymore.
Whataya think about this one?
It looks sweet :D
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091P9QXX7/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=motorcycle+battery&s=automotive&sr=8-7
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I missed something....
Why are you replacing the battery in your new scooter?
Stig
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Thought about one of those!! I like the idea of newer tech...you had good luck with them?
Bought exacetely this one little bit more than a year ago for a LIKE 200i which I sold in meantime.
Guy who bought the scoot still happy with the scoot and how it starts, etc.
Now a couple of month ago I got a YAGER/DINK 200i and after a few days its battery gave in. So, since I had a good feedback from my LIKEs owner, a Lithium Ione accu came in. Like I wrote, only one year of experience, therefore....
Here this 9amps battery (which is actually a 4.5amps piece) costs with €59,- appr. the same as medium quality AGM.
Cranking is a touch faster in my opinion compared to a Bb battery. But this might depend highly on wireloom and condition of relais and starter itself.
Although I do have a special charger for Li batts, I do not charge this LiPeo4 battery when the scoot sits unused for a week or more.
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I missed something....
Why are you replacing the battery in your new scooter?
Stig
A pertinent question…
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I missed something....
Why are you replacing the battery in your new scooter?
Stig
At first i thought the one in it was crapping out already...but now just thinking ahead. Wont pull the trigger till i need to though. Probably should buy one now though with inflation going all Venezuela like it is...(kidding)
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At first i thought the one in it was crapping out already...but now just thinking ahead. Wont pull the trigger till i need to though. Probably should buy one now though with inflation going all Venezuela like it is...(kidding)
What observations are happening to make you think it might be crapping out?
It would not be the first time a "new" battery ended up DOA or developing a bad cell really soon after being placed into service. But it is unlikely.
Do you plug into a battery tender/maintainer? If not, you should.
As is commonly stated on many platforms the AK seems to have more than its share of phantom loads that will drain the battery if it sits very long between rides so a battery tender/maintainer is essential.
I just bought one from Amazon that runs about $50. It arrives Tuesday and after looking around this one seemed like a very good price to me as well as being a good unit anyway. I figured that since the maintainer I already have on hand is more than 15 years old it would be good to have a new one. And also since I have 2 bikes and a lawn tractor that I want to be plugged into one through the cold season it helps having the extra one. I'm too cheap to have one for every battery so I'll alternate the old maintainer between my wife's scooter and the lawn tractor and keep the new one for the AK.
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What observations are happening to make you think it might be crapping out?
It would not be the first time a "new" battery ended up DOA or developing a bad cell really soon after being placed into service. But it is unlikely.
Do you plug into a battery tender/maintainer? If not, you should.
As is commonly stated on many platforms the AK seems to have more than its share of phantom loads that will drain the battery if it sits very long between rides so a battery tender/maintainer is essential.
I just bought one from Amazon that runs about $50. It arrives Tuesday and after looking around this one seemed like a very good price to me as well as being a good unit anyway. I figured that since the maintainer I already have on hand is more than 15 years old it would be good to have a new one. And also since I have 2 bikes and a lawn tractor that I want to be plugged into one through the cold season it helps having the extra one. I'm too cheap to have one for every battery so I'll alternate the old maintainer between my wife's scooter and the lawn tractor and keep the new one for the AK.
It got my attention because it was starting out at a little lower voltage every day when id start the day...And im back to being concerned...
Yesterday it started out even lower at 12.5v and today it started out at 12.3v
I ride for hours every day so i would be surprised if charging it with my battery tender would make much difference but its worth a shot to me simply because you suggested it
It charges well during use, but the voltage drops off REALLY fast when at rest :/
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I just bought one from Amazon that runs about $50. It arrives Tuesday and after looking around this one seemed like a very good price to me as well as being a good unit anyway. I figured that since the maintainer I already have on hand is more than 15 years old it would be good to have a new one. And also since I have 2 bikes and a lawn tractor that I want to be plugged into one through the cold season it helps having the extra one. I'm too cheap to have one for every battery so I'll alternate the old maintainer between my wife's scooter and the lawn tractor and keep the new one for the AK.
I take it you dont think the lithium option is worth the extra cost? Or do you have any other opposition to them?
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It got my attention because it was starting out at a little lower voltage every day when id start the day...And im back to being concerned...Yesterday it started out even lower at 12.5v and today it started out at 12.3vI ride for hours every day so i would be surprised if charging it with my battery tender would make much difference but its worth a shot to me simply because you suggested itIt charges well during use, but the voltage drops off REALLY fast when at rest :/
I notice that right after a ride and I shut down the motor I see 12.7 v. If I then keep it turned on, motor not running to check my trip meter or playing around with Noodoe or something else, I'll see it drop to 12.6 within 5 or 10 minutes. I've read in many places about this scooter having a few more phantom loads than most. I am thinking simply due to Noodoe attempting to communicate with a phone and possibly with the keyless fob.
I don't recommend connecting a battery charger but rather a Battery Tender or other battery maintainer. There is a big difference. A maintainer, such as Battery Tender, senses battery charge condition and will run through a program of sequences to keep a battery in top shape and maintains the charge without burning out a battery. They will turn on or off as needed based on state of charge of the battery. A charger is always on and in one state of constant charging that can burn out a battery. Trickle chargers and brute force chargers fall into this category. A Battery Tender or maintainer can be connected and left connected indefinitely with no harm and only benefit to the battery. That is why I bought a new Battery Tender Plus for mine. I have an older battery maintainer, an AccuMate maintainer, that I bought over 15 years ago that I will be continuing to use on my wife's scooter and my JD lawn tractor through the cold months but I wanted something newer dedicated to my AK 550. ;D
I take it you dont think the lithium option is worth the extra cost? Or do you have any other opposition to them?
Just never really considered going to a Lithium battery in my bikes. Personal choice for a bike. I really don't see anything wrong with them and they likely will maintain a better charge level over time. But you would still have the issue of phantom loads drawing down the charge over a few days, even if maybe more slowly than a AGM battery.
All my previous bikes had nothing close to the tech that is in this scooter. And there was no phantom load when I turned the key off on those bikes. So the batteries would all maintain the charge level where it was at the time I shut off the motor, at least for several weeks, before I'd see a drop of even a few tenths of a volt. But this AK 550 is different. Even more modern cars with the added tech can run down their batteries over several days or weeks. My mom used to own a Cadillac Town car that had several batteries for all the different tech installed in it. She never drove it enough to get all the batteries properly charged and was constantly having to take it in to the shop to get some of the tech devices batteries reconditioned since they were constantly being run down. My mom would only drive the car once every few weeks and then only a mile or two at the most.
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I take it you dont think the lithium option is worth the extra cost? Or do you have any other opposition to them?
2 things to consider (I've read, but have no experience).
1st is if you ride when it's approaching freezing, I've read the CCA drops fast on lithium batteries.
2nd is you have to use a different type maintainer for lithium batteries. A regular tender is not recommended
because it isn't designed to read the charge on lithium batteries and can not charge correctly.
On the other forum, everyone that has bought them, like them. They are just different. Like scooterists!!!!
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2 things to consider (I've read, but have no experience).
1st is if you ride when it's approaching freezing, I've read the CCA drops fast on lithium batteries.
2nd is you have to use a different type maintainer for lithium batteries. A regular tender is not recommended
because it isn't designed to read the charge on lithium batteries and can not charge correctly.
On the other forum, everyone that has bought them, like them. They are just different. Like scooterists!!!!
Yeah, we ARE different. Aren't we.
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Yeah, we ARE different. Aren't we.
Sure am glad i found this forum...you guys have been extraordinary
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Sure am glad i found this forum...you guys have been extraordinary
A wealth of knowledge on here, presented in a really non-intimidatory manner. Like you, glad to have found a natural home!
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Yeah, we ARE different. Aren't we.
Like pennies and farthings....
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Whenever I say something stupid....my wife comes back with....
"....and, your point?"
She says that a lot.....
Stig
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Buy a lithium ione battery, those you can mount even upside down. Costs the same and no worries anymore.
Got around to installing the "NOCO Lithium NLP14, Group 14, 500A Lithium Powersport Battery" today
Pretty neat battery...little heavier than i expected
Registered at 13.0V when i popped it in even after sitting around for several weeks! Way better than the 12.3 i was getting after sitting one night
Starter even had a distinctly higher pitch
I think i like it :D
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What observations are happening to make you think it might be crapping out?
It would not be the first time a "new" battery ended up DOA or developing a bad cell really soon after being placed into service. But it is unlikely.
Do you plug into a battery tender/maintainer? If not, you should.
As is commonly stated on many platforms the AK seems to have more than its share of phantom loads that will drain the battery if it sits very long between rides so a battery tender/maintainer is essential.
I just bought one from Amazon that runs about $50. It arrives Tuesday and after looking around this one seemed like a very good price to me as well as being a good unit anyway. I figured that since the maintainer I already have on hand is more than 15 years old it would be good to have a new one. And also since I have 2 bikes and a lawn tractor that I want to be plugged into one through the cold season it helps having the extra one. I'm too cheap to have one for every battery so I'll alternate the old maintainer between my wife's scooter and the lawn tractor and keep the new one for the AK.
This Lithium battery is golden :D
Holds solid at 14.2 and when i come out in the morning its at 13.2 when i turn it on and then after a few seconds it jumps up to 13.3 even with my phone plugged in
Those are the numbers i typically have with my Yamaha so im quite happy with that.
I put the original battery on the battery tender and it registered as fully charged and functional so i dont think there was ever actually anything wrong with it...dont mind though.
Its worth it just for the higher pitch in the starter now...Sounds like a baby sneezing when it starts :D