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Title: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: Cambo on December 17, 2020, 11:23:19 AM
I have done a search only finding old posts from a couple of years ago.

Are there any diagnostic tools available for kymco.
I dont mind using laptop rather than handheld tool if needs be.

Also has any one on here got experience in using software on kymco mopeds. 2018 up.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 17, 2020, 01:32:24 PM
Yes, there is a diagnostic tool from Kymco for about 200 bucks USD. Good luck getting one from a dealer these days!
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: Cambo on December 22, 2020, 10:42:08 AM
Yes, there is a diagnostic tool from Kymco for about 200 bucks USD. Good luck getting one from a dealer these days!

I cant find one anywhere,  one sold for £25 a week before I needed one on a selling site. Typical lol
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 22, 2020, 11:33:21 AM
I think there is a way to do this with car stuff. There is a bluetooth OBDII plug-in that can be wired to the three pins of the Kymco connector. Then use a free app on your phone or tablet to "see" inside your ECU. Pin diagrams on the internet for the OBDII connector and wiring diagram for the bike. Have not tried it yet so you might be the pioneer!
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: john grinsel on December 22, 2020, 11:44:09 AM
Just ride the scooter. No need to worry about things that might happen.  My experience Kymcos are very reliable....my 2019 Xtown 300i works well.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: souzamoto on December 22, 2020, 07:34:49 PM
Yes, there is a diagnostic tool from Kymco for about 200 bucks USD. Good luck getting one from a dealer these days!

Why do you say "Good Luck getting from a dealer these days"?
The tool is available to order, it all depends if KUS has it.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 22, 2020, 10:38:22 PM
Why do you say "Good Luck getting from a dealer these days"?
The tool is available to order, it all depends if KUS has it.
Have you noticed how many people have been trying to get Kymco parts have had problems? There are a couple of places that have some but a great deal goes right back to KUSA. It still winds up a problem for the customer to solve.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: Kansas kymco on December 23, 2020, 12:02:00 AM
Have you noticed how many people have been trying to get Kymco parts have had problems? There are a couple of places that have some but a great deal goes right back to KUSA. It still winds up a problem for the customer to solve.
I have had good luck getting parts from my local dealer in a timely fashion.  A speedometer cable for my People S took a long time but that's the only issue I've had. It took longer to get a fuel pump assembly  for my Yamaha Majesty then my Kymco Xciting. The Yamaha pump assembly was $380. and the Kymco pump assembly was $143.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 23, 2020, 01:00:19 PM
I have had good luck getting parts from my local dealer in a timely fashion.  A speedometer cable for my People S took a long time but that's the only issue I've had. It took longer to get a fuel pump assembly  for my Yamaha Majesty then my Kymco Xciting. The Yamaha pump assembly was $380. and the Kymco pump assembly was $143.
There are exceptions.
Stig was able to get the Yamaha pump without the fuel sender assembly for way less than the $143!
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: Cambo on December 28, 2020, 08:07:08 PM
Just ride the scooter. No need to worry about things that might happen.  My experience Kymcos are very reliable....my 2019 Xtown 300i works well.

I'm not worries about what might happen  ;D :) ;D
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: Cambo on December 28, 2020, 08:09:28 PM
I think there is a way to do this with car stuff. There is a bluetooth OBDII plug-in that can be wired to the three pins of the Kymco connector. Then use a free app on your phone or tablet to "see" inside your ECU. Pin diagrams on the internet for the OBDII connector and wiring diagram for the bike. Have not tried it yet so you might be the pioneer!

Have you any idea which 3 pins from standard obd2 plug goes to which pins in kymco plug.
I have various different car diagnostic  , elm327 connects to most things.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 28, 2020, 08:19:50 PM
The three in the Kymco plugbare easy, 12v, ground and data. The data is some kind of format that is present in the OBDII pin out. What it is, I would have to google it again. Gimme a minute and maybe I can find it again....
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 29, 2020, 11:12:48 AM
Here is the pinout on the OBDII connector. You will tie 4 & 5 to the ground pin on the Kymco 3-pin connector. Pin 16 will go to the 12 volt pin and 7 will go to the data pin. I have not tried this so don't know if it really works. But this is where it would start. Your car reader may work just fine. I was going to use an android app.

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Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: Cambo on December 29, 2020, 11:30:40 PM
The three in the Kymco plugbare easy, 12v, ground and data. The data is some kind of format that is present in the OBDII pin out. What it is, I would have to google it again. Gimme a minute and maybe I can find it again....

Your a star, I will look into doing this soon.
I also remember there being two plugs next to the battery, one being the obvious diagnostic plug and one right next to it., think it was a 2 pin.
Do you have any idea on the pins for kymco plug, I know I can use a multimeter,  but it's always nice to know.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 30, 2020, 12:30:44 AM
Your a star, I will look into doing this soon.
I also remember there being two plugs next to the battery, one being the obvious diagnostic plug and one right next to it., think it was a 2 pin.
Do you have any idea on the pins for kymco plug, I know I can use a multimeter,  but it's always nice to know.
Black wire 12 volts, green wire chassis and data ground, white with yellow stripe data.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: JJJoseph on December 30, 2020, 04:57:42 AM
Black wire 12 volts, green wire chassis and data ground, white with yellow stripe data.

Have you actually done this and made it work?  Do you have any photos?  Where did you find the connector(s) - both ends?  What software are you using to parse and display the data? Does the memory and the live data both come from the same wire? Are you reading stored codes, or a continuous feed? If you're reading stored codes, are you able to locate the code definitions?  Sorry for all the questions, but we have a near new Kymco 200i that will start but misfires and hasn't moved for over a year now, and it'd be so useful to figure out what's wrong.  I see over the last year that there's others here that also have the same problem.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: Cambo on December 30, 2020, 08:58:21 AM
Black wire 12 volts, green wire chassis and data ground, white with yellow stripe data.

Thank you, I'll let you know how I get on.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 30, 2020, 01:59:54 PM
Have you actually done this and made it work?  Do you have any photos?  Where did you find the connector(s) - both ends?  What software are you using to parse and display the data? Does the memory and the live data both come from the same wire? Are you reading stored codes, or a continuous feed? If you're reading stored codes, are you able to locate the code definitions?  Sorry for all the questions, but we have a near new Kymco 200i that will start but misfires and hasn't moved for over a year now, and it'd be so useful to figure out what's wrong.  I see over the last year that there's others here that also have the same problem.
No, I have not done this! This was the start of a project way back when the only "Kymco analyzer tool" was a wire harness and a PDA. You also had to load a program into the PDA to get it to work. Segue forward to today and there gotta be over ten apps that read OBDII codes with a phone! By the way, recently saw a precaution against blue tooth OBDII plugs that are cheap since they have corrupted codes or something.

Nope, no actual experience, just a bright idea! The wire colors are from the wiring diagram and that was verified on my DT300i.
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on December 30, 2020, 02:50:29 PM
Have you actually done this and made it work?  Do you have any photos?  Where did you find the connector(s) - both ends?  What software are you using to parse and display the data? Does the memory and the live data both come from the same wire? Are you reading stored codes, or a continuous feed? If you're reading stored codes, are you able to locate the code definitions?  Sorry for all the questions, but we have a near new Kymco 200i that will start but misfires and hasn't moved for over a year now, and it'd be so useful to figure out what's wrong.  I see over the last year that there's others here that also have the same problem.
Your "near new" 200i is out from under the 2 yr engine warranty?

Stig
Title: Re: Diagnostic software/ tool
Post by: JJJoseph on December 30, 2020, 09:59:42 PM
Your "near new" 200i is out from under the 2 yr engine warranty?

Yes it's a 2014 model (with only 6000km).  It's a really nice scoot otherwise.  Perfect for an old fart like myself to go shopping. There's no Kymco dealer within 100 miles so I can't count on any dealer support for anything :-(