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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: TBR125 on November 05, 2020, 01:03:03 AM
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Hi all,
I've been burning through too much cheap rubber lately with my daily commute so I took the $40 dollar price jump for a set of Michelin power pure sc tires. They are now broken in and as my first experience with dual compound I have been astonished. I do not know how long they will last but the wet and dry grip is incredible. The front tire can no longer slide even with max braking on dry average quality asphalt. I also added 2 oz. of EZ ceramic balance beads to each tire. EZ beads are designed to pour through a valve stem which makes them very user friendly and can be added to any tire. On the rear tire the beads eliminated all bobbing of the rear swing-arm. The effect on the front was not calculated for but was quite beneficial. With 2 oz of dynamic weight, as the wheel accelerates the tire becomes more resistant to axial movement(AKA Flywheel). On the 12 inch tire it stabilized the steering and overall twitchiness that comes with higher speeds on the small wheels.
On a side note, my front wheel bearings were shot and I replaced them with NAPA branded 6201 bearings for $3.19 each.
Questions:
What has been your favorite tire and how many miles have they lasted?
What pressures do you run?
What balancing method do you use if any?
Also, do front scooter brake pads ever wear?
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I always think of my used tires as a timeline. A history of places visited, memories made, and lifelong friendships formed.
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TBR - good to see you back, again. Noticed you took a bit of a break..but what size tires are you running on your scoot? That looks like some meaty rubber!
Running Pirelli MT75s on my scoot...when I bought it at 1800+ miles it had original (Kenda?) front tire and Pirelli rear. I replaced the front tire with a matching Pirelli within a few hundered miles of owning it. Hit 3000 miles on the scoot a few weeks ago so not enough miles to make any judgment on tire life. Mine will likely age out before they wear out.
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Thanks for the response. Increased responsibility and work load following two family losses has kept me tied up these last few months. I'm slowly working through it but glad to be back on the forum. My original front tire finally wore out at 26,000km. Age is definitely more of a worry than miles for many. I'm glad to be rid of the oem Maxxis/Shin Cheng tires that handled like blocks of solid rubber.
To answer the question I've got 130/70/12 rear with a 120/70/12 front. I wanted to get the 120/90/12 Michelin for a larger OD but everyone was sold out.
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I'm running Pirelli Angels on my Like 150i and Metzler Feel Frees on my Majesty. Both tires work well. I can only get around 5K out of a rear Metzler. It's my first set of Pirelli's so I don't know how long they will last. I let the dealer mount and balance them. The pressures I run depend on the scooter. I run pretty close to what the manufacturer recommends.
As for brake pads. I did wear out the front brake pads on my old Super 8 150 at around 25K miles. I have yet to wear out a rear brake pad on a scooter.
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Power Pure SC, fr & r, work well (wet & dry), wear round---got over 10,000 miles from a rear on Burgman 400. Right now have new matched set Heidenau on my 2019 Xtown 300i ABS---they make it nice handling.
Scooter brake pads can last line time---light weight/slow speeds.
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Power Pure SC, fr & r, work well (wet & dry), wear round---got over 10,000 miles from a rear on Burgman 400. Right now have new matched set Heidenau on my 2019 Xtown 300i ABS---they make it nice handling.
Scooter brake pads can last line time---light weight/slow speeds.
On Kymco tyres, my advice would be to junk the OEM "rubber" asap! I'm now on Michelin City Grip 2's and it's fair to say the handling is transformed. As for the lifespan of them, frankly I don't care as I'll pay gladly for the increased grip, wet n dry.
Brake pads? Bet mine don't last a life time John, but then I'm a fat git who likes to go fast and hauling that mass down promptly is going to eat up some friction material ;)
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Tires is one of the reasons I bought my K-Pipe, my V-strom eats tires, the price I pay, for long distance adventure riding, but for local errands, it is unnecessary, and heavy, and drinks a lot more too.
However, I have no ideal, what to expect for tire life, hopefully 10k+
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Thanks for all the responses. I've been getting 4-5k on kenda and shinko cheapest tires. If the power pures last only that I will still be pleased as the traction is incredible.
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Thanks for all the responses. I've been getting 4-5k on kenda and shinko cheapest tires. If the power pures last only that I will still be pleased as the traction is incredible.
You are experiencing what drove me to investigate a car tire for the rear. Marvelous how little wear is seen so far. Handles as well when front and rear were Michelin Power Pure SC. 9000 miles at the last bragging! Have to look at log book for an update.
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You are experiencing what drove me to investigate a car tire for the rear.
"Dark siding" Not sure that's even legal here in the UK Karl. We have an annual inspection of the road-worthiness of vehicles here in the UK (called an MoT) and I suspect a car tyre on a scooter would score you an immediate fail? If I'm wrong, I'm sure that Snorvey, Viper or Lord F will correct me! ;D
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"Dark siding" Not sure that's even legal here in the UK Karl. We have an annual inspection of the road-worthiness of vehicles here in the UK (called an MoT) and I suspect a car tyre on a scooter would score you an immediate fail? If I'm wrong, I'm sure that Snorvey, Viper or Lord F will correct me! ;D
We used to have spot roadside inspections....then emission checks.
Did away with all of them.
If you can get 'her to roll downhill you're good to join my family on the roads.
So sorry about your "government interference".
Stig
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To quote Karl, "Har har"
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Car tires on 2 wheelers are not legal in UK or EU and I am sure with 250cc and above in Japan where govt inspection required. I once bought a WLA HD 45 on 18 inch wheels with car junk yard tires----impossible to ride until MC tires installed.
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Squarish profile an issue? Just raise the pressure. At some point it will have a rounded profile:)
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Squarish profile an issue? Just raise the pressure. At some point it will have a rounded profile:)
There's a Burgman 400 youtube riding on a car tire. Camera watching it corner.
Doesn't seem to both it much. But haven't seen one while making a sudden avoidance in the wet.
Stig
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Squarish profile an issue? Just raise the pressure. At some point it will have a rounded profile:)
actually, no, the lower the pressure, the more it feels like a MC tire, you lose flex in the sidewall, with more pressure
I ran darkside on my V-strom, as a winter experiment, very successful, but don't care for the more "cruiserish" handling in the other 3 seasons
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Squarish profile an issue? Just raise the pressure. At some point it will have a rounded profile:)
That "squarish profile" definitely is not a problem! And since it is a steel belt radial higher pressure has little effect on making it rounder profile. Pressure in the tire DOES affect handling in most cases so a darksider must play around with pressure to get the best handling. I just put in what the operator's manual said for the motorcycle-type tire and the handling was the same as with the Michelin so I did not try anything else.
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Hi Rando, sadly type doesn't convey intonation. That was written in jest as indicated by the :) at the end. I've ridden a lot on a darksided yamaha tw200 but as someone with performance inclinations I did not like the handling caused by the sidewall design. No car tire can be as good handling as a decent mc tire just because the engineered load, deflection, and overall dynamic are so different and not tuned to those conditions. It obviously will work under normal riding conditions and I totally support the decision for anyone who finds it matches their purpose.
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Hi Rando, sadly type doesn't convey intonation. That was written in jest as indicated by the :) at the end.
Oh if only we had the irony font enabled...
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Hi Rando, sadly type doesn't convey intonation. That was written in jest as indicated by the :) at the end. I've ridden a lot on a darksided yamaha tw200 but as someone with performance inclinations I did not like the handling caused by the sidewall design. No car tire can be as good handling as a decent mc tire just because the engineered load, deflection, and overall dynamic are so different and not tuned to those conditions. It obviously will work under normal riding conditions and I totally support the decision for anyone who finds it matches their purpose.
I agree, I have not drank the kool-aid. As I said, I darksided as a winter experiment on my V-strom, a studded Karoo T in front, and a General Arctic Altimax in back, successful beyond my wildest imagination, giving me the ability to ride in all conditions from freezing rain, to blizzards, but other seasons, I did not care for the wide footprint that transmitted every road anomaly, single track was near impossible, and the floppy sidewalls when walking the bike even made that undesirable, low parking lot speed the worse, with the floppy sidewalls, till centrugal force stiffened them a bit
but for winter riding in adverse conditions, when you don't lean as much, ride a bit slower, you can't beat car rubber that is designed for cold weather and adverse conditions
with the success of my experiment, my next darkside tire will be a studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta
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There's a Burgman 400 youtube riding on a car tire. Camera watching it corner.
Doesn't seem to both it much. But haven't seen one while making a sudden avoidance in the wet.
Stig
there is a darkside video, of "YellowWolf" ? on Deals Gap, he has a Goldwing that is darksided, and he chases other riders on Deals Gap taking videos
a quick sample, but there are several others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo&ab_channel=Ram%C3%B3nVennik (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo&ab_channel=Ram%C3%B3nVennik)
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Glad it worked for you. The atv tire on the Yamaha TW was awesome in the mud. Also gave it some buoyancy:)
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Glad it worked for you. The atv tire on the Yamaha TW was awesome in the mud. Also gave it some buoyancy:)
car tire worked well in mud, on my V-strom.... so long as you gave it enough throttle to keep the front tire just skimming the surface
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My dry traction is increasing each time I ride out on my Piaggio's Maxxis.
It's quickly wearing away those troublesome tread sipes and grooves😊
(anyone remember the Tiger Paw commercials decades ago. Those tire grooves "grabbed" the road like a tiger's foot - made sense to me. But then I was 9)
Stig