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Title: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: tomheet on October 06, 2010, 01:02:26 AM
I just bought a 2003 people 50 with 1000 miles. Starts and runs great at 60+ degrees, gets progressively more difficult as it gets colder. Could not start at 40 degrees. I replaced the bystarter, thinking this might be the problem. No change. The previous owner cleaned the carb. could it just be out of adjustment(the carb screws)? it seems like it's just not getting enough gas when cold. I'm using 93 octane and klotz synthetic oil (it's a 2-stroke) Also changed the sparkplug. Does any one think using an irridium plug can help with cold starts? New scooter owner, would love any help. THanks!
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 06, 2010, 01:04:52 AM
..try opening the mix screw 1/4-1/2 turn counter-clockwise...

..helped me on these cold mornings...

..and Welcome to th' Forum!!...


peace
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: sidthesloth on October 06, 2010, 01:07:38 AM
I reckon there was a recent thread on this in the ppl section, was bad cdi connections.
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: Rianna on October 06, 2010, 01:45:18 AM
Did ya get the ethanol free gas, tomheet?
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 06, 2010, 01:47:07 AM
Did ya get the ethanol free gas,

..really makes no performance difference either way..................
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: Rianna on October 06, 2010, 01:50:00 AM
k, sorry, excuse the previous question.
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 06, 2010, 01:53:49 AM
..no 'pologies needed...


 ;)

..ethanol attacks aluminum...over extended periods of time...


..sea-foam, counter-acts that process...

..ethanol use during certain months of the year will not damage, nor significantly inhibit a scoot's performance..
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: Rianna on October 06, 2010, 01:59:11 AM
ahh...k, thank you.

That be the winter months?
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 06, 2010, 02:01:54 AM
...yup...it's gonna happen...in NC anyways...
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: tomheet on October 07, 2010, 12:00:16 AM
Thanks for the suggestions! I sprayed some fogging oil in the carb while running, and next morning it started and ran much better and quicker. Might have had some varnish build up in the tiny secondary jet or something. As for ethanol, you can't avoid it. The EPA keeps pushing to get even more of it into our Nations fuel supply. This sucks.

  I may try tweaking the carb screws just a little, in small increments. Thanks again.
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: juice on October 07, 2010, 12:23:41 AM
I don't know where you live , but may be able to buy non ethanol gas . Check out this link pure-gas.org .Good luck .
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: Rianna on October 07, 2010, 01:03:54 AM
Yeah, since my scoot's not running so good I had to fill up at the station about a mile from the house and they only had the 10% ethanol stuff.  :(

But I think the sea-foam stuff said on the front of the can that it's good for that, too. Might have to put some of that in since it's just sitting here anyway, huh?
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: Rianna on October 07, 2010, 01:08:58 AM
OH, and glad you got it running again, tom!  :)
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 07, 2010, 10:14:14 PM
..great tomheet!!

..and i'm a semi-recent convinced soul on the benefits of adding seafoam...

Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: tomheet on October 07, 2010, 10:59:36 PM
well wordslinger, I spoke to soon. Took 15 min this morning. And, when I think it's warmed up some( driving 2 blocks) it will die at the stop light. I will have to get a small screwdriver and adjust that jet. I used seafoam (about 1 ounce or so) in 1 tank of gas( 2 weeks ago when I bought scoot) how often can you run it through your fuel system? And, could the stalling be caused by a problem with auto choke? There is more to the system than the bystarter I presume? Will have to load up my service maunual disk and read through carb section once more.
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: tomheet on October 07, 2010, 11:05:42 PM
Juice, that is a good site for people to know about! but, sadly only 4 stations listed in Michigan. Thanks, though
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 07, 2010, 11:06:51 PM
..well, you should be able to hear when the bystarter shuts down, when you warm up your scoot before riding..

..the rpms will drop-off..

..it's only after then that you should begin idle jet screw adjustments...

..i like to get my scoot really good and warm before adjusting the idle screw...

...cause the engine is going to be hotter when riding....
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: juice on October 07, 2010, 11:23:01 PM
I have been running seafoam in all my small engines all the time for a couple of years now . I keep a 5 gal can of mix in my garage . It keeps the fuel systems clean and moisture free . I use it in both my scoots , my mowers , weed eater , leaf blower and chain saw . No problems since I have been using it . I got really tired of cleaning carbs and such .
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 07, 2010, 11:27:31 PM
I have been running seafoam in all my small engines all the time for a couple of years now . I keep a 5 gal can of mix in my garage

..well, there you go!!!

..where th' hell you get a 5 gallon can, juice!!??

 ???
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: juice on October 07, 2010, 11:35:34 PM
5 gal Plastic gasoline container from true value , but they sell them at walmart also .
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 08, 2010, 12:04:30 AM
...duh..i see...you mix it in the can...lol..
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: oswaldters on October 08, 2010, 12:16:27 AM
It would be cool to see a 5 gallon can of seafoam!
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 08, 2010, 12:19:30 AM
It would be cool to see a 5 gallon can of seafoam!

...yeah..that's what i thot juice meant...lmao..

..dang..i'm stupid!!

 :P
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: oswaldters on October 08, 2010, 12:22:54 AM
You're talking to the guy who couldn't find a simple part on the Stadium Yamaha parts diagram.

so I'm not casting any stones...
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 08, 2010, 12:24:54 AM
...hippie grass...
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: tomheet on October 08, 2010, 12:35:07 AM
good point about warming up before adjusting screw. Good to get  so much validation about Seafoam, is it overkill to put it in every fill up?
 I don't think ethanol free gas is an option here in Holland, mi
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 08, 2010, 12:36:39 AM
..i run an ounce in ever two or three or four tanks...
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: oswaldters on October 08, 2010, 12:42:14 AM
Here in the U.S. the ethanol makers are pushing for 15% ethanol instead of 10%.
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 08, 2010, 12:45:06 AM
Here in the U.S. the ethanol makers are pushing for 15% ethanol instead of 10%


...yup...


 :-\
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: oswaldters on October 08, 2010, 12:46:05 AM
corn belongs on the cob - not in my gas tank!
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 08, 2010, 12:49:56 AM
..i like roasted corn-on-th-cob...
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: oswaldters on October 08, 2010, 12:51:00 AM
I don't mind it in my tortilla chips.
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: tomheet on October 08, 2010, 01:25:23 AM
Amen OZ! Can't see the logic in using good farmland to create an inferior fuel. Apparently it also takes a lot of fossil fuel to produce the ethanol. NO free lunch! Got an email about that 15% push-made me cringe.

Love this forum ,BTW. Lots of friendly folks, great advice. Good lord, word has like, 6000 posts! THAT is dedication. Had no idea people got so geeked up about scoots. I'm to poor for a ferrari, so the ppl 50 is my mid life crisis, I guess. Ridden every day for over 2 weeks, loving every minute of it!
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: wordslinger on October 08, 2010, 01:38:20 AM
Love this forum ,BTW. Lots of friendly folks, great advice. Good lord, word has like, 6000 posts! THAT is dedication. Had no idea people got so geeked up about scoots. I'm to poor for a ferrari, so the ppl 50 is my mid life crisis, I guess. Ridden every day for over 2 weeks, loving every minute of it!

..tomh...we all learnin'..i learn something new every time i read these posts on th' forum...

 ;)

..i just found this forum in july of 09...with a broken belt and a worn out variator...

..i owe all i know to this forum...
Title: Re: 2003 people 50 very hard to cold start
Post by: oswaldters on October 08, 2010, 01:39:50 AM
Keep on riding every day.  It only gets better.