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Title: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on June 15, 2020, 12:10:55 PM
In the process of purchasing part of my neighbors backyard 90'x70' section and will have a new shop to store and work on my projects. Plan on a 26'x26' insulated building and will put in heat and A/C.  Talked to the city and they didn't see a issue. Made a deal with my neighbor. Had the lot survey done and waiting for the report to complete the purchase.  Getting prices this week from builders on metal buildings.
 I was bored out of my gord last winter with the covid 19. I tried the Florida thing for winter and not my cup of tea. TV is a collection of reruns.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 17, 2020, 02:35:37 PM
Today contractors  will pour the concrete pad. Called and the building will be deleverd in a couple of weeks from sturdibuilt.  This should give the concrete enough time to cure.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Neil955i on September 17, 2020, 02:43:34 PM
Sounds promising.  Keep us posted please.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Iahawk on September 17, 2020, 06:19:07 PM
I'm still waiting for pictures of your fleet of scooters. Even better if we see them in your new shop!
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 17, 2020, 06:48:06 PM
I'm still waiting for pictures of your fleet of scooters. Even better if we see them in your new shop!
I promise when I get them in my new building instead of packed like sardines willy-nilly  in the garage I will post some pictures. Now I've got a few stored in a storage facility, all the 250'S. 

Hope to bring the building in two weeks after the concrete cures.  Over the winter will put in insulation and wiring A/C and heat and hang all my lights.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Iahawk on September 17, 2020, 11:19:58 PM
I'm jealous. I'd love to have a dedicated shop separate from my garage. ...Maybe someday...
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 17, 2020, 11:31:28 PM
I'm jealous. I'd love to have a dedicated shop separate from my garage. ...Maybe someday...
It only took me 30 years to make it happen.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: randyo on September 17, 2020, 11:35:31 PM
Today contractors  will pour the concrete pad. Called and the building will be deleverd in a couple of weeks from sturdibuilt.  This should give the concrete enough time to cure.

here in NH, slabs are required to have 4ft frost walls, concrete would be a 3 step process, first footings, then frost walls, and finally, the slab, 

how is price of steel ? wood construction is outrageous, a $2.50 2x4 now costs $7.50, a builder I know says the he has to get $350k for the spec house he's building, he sold the identical house he built last year for $250k
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 18, 2020, 12:28:53 AM
here in NH, slabs are required to have 4ft frost walls, concrete would be a 3 step process, first footings, then frost walls, and finally, the slab, 

how is price of steel ? wood construction is outrageous, a $2.50 2x4 now costs $7.50, a builder I know says the he has to get $350k for the spec house he's building, he sold the identical house he built last year for $250k
Actually the building has a floor and sits on 4 skids the length of the building. If I were to build conventional construction I would have to have a footing  below the frost line 2' here then the top slab, you can do a monopour all in one step. Since I'm bringing in a building on skids I could set it directly on the ground but would have a issue with the building racking to ground irregularities. The second option was to use compacted gravel to set it on and would have been half the price of concrete but could have leveling issues down the road. Third option was a slab which should not have any issues.  Building size is 14'x40' with 9' walls. 

Building materials are outrageous and hard to come by. Wanted to match the impact resistant shingles on the house and the supplier had to scramble to come up with enough. I locked in the price before things went sky high. Had a heck of a time finding a contractor to do the concrete because everyone is booked until the first of next year.

When/if prices go down I will have a new garage built. Getting the motorcycles and scooters out of the garage was the first step.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: randyo on September 18, 2020, 01:07:21 AM
now that I am retiring, my barn that I built with the intent that it would be a shop, but due to circumstances, became an office, and file storage, is slowly turning into a shop, I have eliminated 3 of my 4 CADD workstations, and rearranged to consolidate my office needs to half the space, and now, I can get my motorcycles in thru the double door entry, eventually if I can find a place for my surveying stuff, a center 10'x12 high overhead bay door, and a lift.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 18, 2020, 01:28:07 AM
Randyo isn't it interesting we do this stuff in the last stage of our life?  If the half lot next door had not become available I probably wouldn't have done this. I noticed the price of having a survey done for the lot split had doubled since the last one I had done as well.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: randyo on September 18, 2020, 02:00:24 AM
I haven't taken on boundary work in a while, thinking of not renewing my license, but I still do a lot of septic system designs, and simple wetland delineation jobs, so I plan to keep up with my septic design, and wetland science licenses. It supplements my SS, I have found a home for my files, that I will still have access , just not as convenient as "out in the barn" but I still need 500 sqft for my Cadd station, drafting desk, light table cabinet, plotter, photocopier, laser printer, ink printer, library, and I'll be crowded, and another 100 sq ft for field equipment storage.

I wanna spend more time on my motorcycle, (V-strom 1k) some long distance touring, Alaska, and more hunting and fishing, I recently bought myself 2 new fly rods, and haven't used em yet
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: wymple on September 18, 2020, 02:36:14 AM
Plans evolve, don't they? From 26x26 to 14x40 is quite a switch. I have a friend who wanted a 12x16 to park in and now ended up with 22x32 and 2 stories! He lives upstairs.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 18, 2020, 01:08:13 PM
Plans evolve, don't they? From 26x26 to 14x40 is quite a switch. I have a friend who wanted a 12x16 to park in and now ended up with 22x32 and 2 stories! He lives upstairs.
Yes they do, LOL. I originally wanted to build a 26x26 garage conventional construction but my access to the lot is limited to cutting through my back yard. Then if I move in the future the garage is permanent.  With the sturdibuilt it can be moved to a new location (for a fee) .  Second problem was the contractors were busy until March of next year. The 14x40 was the largest building Sturdibuilt  can build at their location and move onto the site.

Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Iahawk on September 18, 2020, 01:12:17 PM
isn't it interesting we do this stuff in the last stage of our life?

How true. It seems like many do this when they finally have both the time and the resources to finally do it. While it would be great to do this at age 30 most aren't financially capable at that time. My kids will have to get through college, first (they are 10 and 13) which will put me at 66, and then..maybe..I can get my long desired shop!
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 18, 2020, 01:16:35 PM
Lahawk you hit the nail on the head ( Having the time and resources to do it).
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: randyo on September 18, 2020, 07:54:56 PM
Randyo isn't it interesting we do this stuff in the last stage of our life?  If the half lot next door had not become available I probably wouldn't have done this. I noticed the price of having a survey done for the lot split had doubled since the last one I had done as well.
   

I started on my barn about 25 years ago, cutting about 11,000 board feet of white pine in my back yard (13 trees) clearing the area, then I bartered some of my surveying for a contractor to excavate an area, followed by hiring a portable bandsaw mill to turn my logs into lumber,  more barter for more dirtwork,  I was going to do my own footings, but by chance, a foundation guy stopped by to talk about some surveying, resulting in more barter for my foundation, took me a few years, but I got it framed up, 30x30, 38ft to peak, I have a loft @ 16ft  on the back half, and one at 22ft on the front half, other than a 30ft LVL beam, all the lumber came from my property. I was 90% complete, when it became necessary to put my office in the barn, a temporary suspended ceiling @8ft

I got less than $10k actual cash into my barn
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 18, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
Randyo I have double that if you count the property and not done yet.  Will do the wiring, insulation,  wall boards and sheet rock myself.  I know a person up North that uses the barter system a lot for his Lodge.  Your very fortunate that your able to do that. Since you use it as your business you are probably able to write it off as a business expenses as well.

New another person who had a twin engine plane he used on a vending machine route all over the state. He kept old beater cars at the airports to run the route when he landed. He was able to write a lot of the planes expenses off for work.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: randyo on September 19, 2020, 02:41:40 AM
yep, I an well aware if the 54½¢ the IRS allows for motorcycle mileage,  :)   I don't have any personal phone or internet, those go to office, I have a conduit running a phone extension cable, but I still gotta pull a CAT7 cable (I left a string), till then, Im using wi-fi, but I'd really like a hardwire to another router in the house, I don't own my truck, my LLC does, as well as my UXV450i, if there's a way to make it a business expense, my accountant will figure it out.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 19, 2020, 07:43:26 PM
here in NH, slabs are required to have 4ft frost walls, concrete would be a 3 step process, first footings, then frost walls, and finally, the slab, 

how is price of steel ? wood construction is outrageous, a $2.50 2x4 now costs $7.50, a builder I know says the he has to get $350k for the spec house he's building, he sold the identical house he built last year for $250k
Randyo I noticed today that they have a 2k surcharge on a bld my size because the increase in lumber cost.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: randyo on September 19, 2020, 08:38:39 PM
I want to cut another 12,000± board feet, and get it milled, the guy that did it for me 25 years ago is no longer doing it, and it's not something as easy as it looks, ya gotta know how to read the grain, when to flip logs, cut a smaller board, otherwise, ya mights well go to Home Depot and buy their warped lumber,  even thinking of buying my own mill, cause the amount I want to mill is enuf to save, over purchasing the lumber,  I wanna build a woodshed, a gazebo, a structure at my backyard firing range, and a small cabin
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: wymple on September 20, 2020, 02:41:55 PM
"how is price of steel?"

My son put a steel roof on his small house. They called and canceled his in hand estimate and added a thousand dollars when that wonderful trade war came along.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: Kansas kymco on September 20, 2020, 03:59:38 PM
"how is price of steel?"

My son put a steel roof on his small house. They called and canceled his in hand estimate and added a thousand dollars when that wonderful trade war came along.
When I went to do my building the steel roof was the same price as the shingles but they just used stringers to attach. If you wanted full decking it was a additional cost.  I deleated their shingles and went with impact resistant that matched what I had on the house. They gave me $355. credit and I furnished the impact resistant ones for a cost of  around $1k. I plan of insulating the bld and heat and cooling.
Title: Re: Starting to build a new shop
Post by: randyo on September 20, 2020, 05:17:41 PM
big step in turning my barn from an office, into a shop,   a steel desk, and drafting table gone today, been trying to sell em for 6 months,  finally made a deal with a former employee, he will keep my computer running, software etc. as long as I need it, and do survey comps for me if necessarily. When I completely retire, he will be purchasing my records, I own over a hundred years, mine, and some that I have acquired over the years. 

with the desk & drafting table gone, it opens up 400 sq ft for MOTORCYCLE space  8)