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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kersley on May 25, 2020, 02:30:27 PM
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Hi Guys,
wanted to know your ideas on Gears, how much is too much.
At the moment I have my Open Face Helmet, Plus a FaceMask (bit like bane in batman), I also use Polarized Ssunglasses but switched to BIG Sort of Snow Google (which i find very good no wind in your eyes etc. Plus Gloves and a Leather Jacket. I ride like 50km per day total to work. Wear high heel Shoes (Formal boots). Would you think of this as Over Geared or not enough when riding 25kms journey on a 250cc, or maybe not enough. To be noted that i might be doing 100kmh or faster at times. Great if i could get your feedback on gears to wear on a 25km trip.
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Lose the high heels or better change shoes at work. A riding suit these days have strategic armor plate. Leather is good but armor is better. Full face helmet to protect not only the cranium but your face as well. Some say modular not as good but it is better than open 3/4. Armored gloves, too! Then you are just right.
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Dress for the crash, not the ride.
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you'll probably get a lot of different opinions on what gear to wear...similar to asking what kind of oil to use!
Personally I wear a full face helmet (some studies show the jaw is one of the likeliest areas to hit in an accident), armored jacket, gloves and motorcycle boots or shoes plus kevlar lined jeans on the scoot and full armored riding pants on my motorcycle.
For your daily commute I would consider that the minimum (full face helmet, armored jacket, gloves and boots - all motorcycle specific). Adding in armored riding pants would be smart, too. You cover a lot of km's and hit pretty high speeds.
Mesh jackets and riding pants are more comfortable in hot weather. You still get protection but you don't sweat as much.
I'll also suggest riding with ear plugs. They will protect your hearing while still allowing you to hear all the traffic sounds.
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Dress for the crash, not the ride.
I always heard (Dress for the slide not the ride) for years. It's amazing the amount of people who wear tank top, shorts and flip flops to ride of a summer time with no protective gear.
I wear an armor jacket (mesh) armor gloves and hiking boots and a 3/4 helmet. I know a full face is better along with armor jeans but feel comfortable with my choice.
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Late to the party on this. I’d echo what others have already said, for a commute of that length, it’s got to be as much kit as you can afford.
You want to protect your head & face/chin, shoulders, elbows, back, hands, hips, knees and ankles. For your climate, fabric plus armour is undoubtedly the best way to go!
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Thinking about getting an armored jacket soon. Costs for these are quite expensive down here. So its a real longterm investment. My wife was also advising me about the jacket this morning. So definitely would look into this. Also i really am not a fan of a full face helmet. Maybe a flip up would be good but again its quite bulky. But yes a ride quite a long way so investment will come. Plus another factor is that international trade were dead for 2 month so even before we were in lockdown here there was not a lot of stuff in the bikes shop. So will have to wait for new stock. Probably more expensive
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"international trade were dead for 2 month so even before we were in lockdown here there was not a lot of stuff in the bikes shop. So will have to wait for new stock. Probably more expensive"
Just a thought, but is mail order an option for you there? If yes, you may find stock and / or good deals?
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"international trade were dead for 2 month so even before we were in lockdown here there was not a lot of stuff in the bikes shop. So will have to wait for new stock. Probably more expensive"
Just a thought, but is mail order an option for you there? If yes, you may find stock and / or good deals?
This is what I was going to suggest as well. I have purchased leather and mesh Joe Rocket jackets for a good deal on ebay for a substantial savings.
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if you love your current leather jacket and it's roomy enough...you can always buy an armored base layer to wear under your jacket. I have a mesh one from Bohn Armor (a US company). It's a good way to armor something that didn't originally come with armor or to keep the armor in the right place, as many jackets let the armor flop around a little too much.
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Full face helmet, Armored jacket (textile winter, mesh summer) , textile armored overpants winter, armored/covec-lined jeans (Bull-it) summer, over the ankle hiking boots, gloves.
I tell people all the time: I come from bicycles. TWICE , on bicycless, I went down on newly wet pavement in a curve and scraped the skin off from knee to butt cheek. It oozed for almost a month, took about two months to completely heal. All at a mere 20mph or less. I simply can not imagine what happens at 60mph. As John said: dress for the crash.
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Thanks a lot guys. I think somewhere i wrote high heels boots. Lol. I meant high ankle boots. Got confused. Thanks for your advise, i will surely be getting a full face helmet plus add on body armor as i already have a jean jacket
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Real motorcycle boots are better than hiking boots!! I find Aerostich Combat Lite very good---right kind of sole---minus not waterproof for multi day trips---Hiking boots not for real riders and usually have lug soles that allow you to track mud into just about everyplace you walk.....and these lugs can catch on foot pegs or even edge of scooter foot boards.
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I dress for MY comfort. A comfortable rider is more alert, Safety gear does not prevent accidents. Avoid the accident, avoids injury. The only safety gear that helps prevent accidents, is Hi-Vis. even a hi-vis t-shirt
yesterday, 90°+, I used my K-Pipe to run an errand, wearin Vibram 5 fingers, shorts and a blaze orange t-shirt. If it was 40°, I woulda been wearing full gear
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Safety gear does not prevent accidents. Avoid the accident, avoids injury.
I don't think anyone is saying safety gear prevents accidents. I think we can all agree that our hobby is statistically more dangerous than most...and that if we do get in an accident our likelihood of serious injury is also higher than most...and wearing the proper gear will help reduce our likelihood or severity of injury.
I recommend that everyone wear all the gear, all the time, but in the end everyone has to make their own, personal decision. I would never tell anyone not to wear gear.
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. I think we can all agree that our hobby is statistically more dangerous than most..
maybe a hobby for you, transportation for me, and certainly more more dangerous than my hobbies, or work, my #1 risk is Lyme disease, had it 4 times, even with preventative measures, and side effects that will stay with me the rest of my life
too much fear mongering amongst 2 wheelers about the danger, maybe some people want to believe they are doing something dangerous, it's not, unless you ride dangerously, following too close, speeding, weaving in and out of traffic....
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um, yes, I think riding a motorcycle or scooter is a little more dangerous than playing golf or fishing...and to say there's no danger in riding is silly.
Too many stories of very safe riders doing everything right and still getting destroyed by a car so safety isn't 100% dependent on your own riding, unfortunately.
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I dress for how I plan to ride . Aggressive ride full gear , commuting full gear , riding local full gear . Once in a while no helmet no gear and really take and enjoy the risk . Read Proficient Motorcycling really a great book .
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Too many stories of very safe riders doing everything right and still getting destroyed by a car so safety isn't 100% dependent on your own riding, unfortunately.
The statistics here in the UK demonstrate quite convincingly that rider RTCs (Road Traffic Collisions) are too often caused by SMIDSY* collisions at junctions.
Collisions at Junctions
Junctions are a common location for motorcyclist crashes, with around 30 motorcyclists being killed or injured in collisions each day. The majority of these collisions happen at T-junctions, when drivers pull into the path of an oncoming motorcyclist, particularly at times of peak traffic flow. However, these accidents are not restricted to T-junctions in urban areas. Motorcyclists are involved in more crashes at all junction types compared to other road users. These accidents are more likely to be the fault of drivers, who fail to see the rider, despite them being in full view.
The following is interesting, if sobering reading:
https://www.rospa.com/rospaweb/docs/advice-services/road-safety/motorcyclists/common-motorcycle-crash-causes.pdf (https://www.rospa.com/rospaweb/docs/advice-services/road-safety/motorcyclists/common-motorcycle-crash-causes.pdf)
* SMIDSY - an acronym now in common use this side of the pond and means "Sorry Mate, I Didn't See You"!
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I've only been scootering for 16 months and m/c riding for 8 months, but that's after 35 yrs of cycling (transportation and recreation). Was wary about the higher speeds involved, but in many ways that makes it safer than pedaling. I'm surprised at how safe 2 wheel motoring feels. Much safer than it looks.
There is no substitute for situational awareness and anticipation. And visibility! Would never tell anyone not to wear protective gear, however I'm perfectly comfortable w ¾ helmet, gloves, sneakers and regular pants and shirt, white or bright colored.
Using peripheral vision, especially at intersections, and regularly checking the rear view mirror goes a long way to preventing collisions. Got to know who's behind you to maximize anticipation. Keeping your distance (find the gap), expecting sudden stops and un-signaled turns/lane changes, and riding as though you're invisible has all helped in making me feel safe out there. But that's probably obvious to all you seasoned riders.
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Had my worst accidents on small bikes at low speed, and each time been grateful of my boots. The one where I shattered the chin of my helmet on the road was also good fun.
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---Hiking boots not for real riders and usually have lug soles that allow you to track mud into just about everyplace you walk.....and these lugs can catch on foot pegs or even edge of scooter foot boards.
Hmm... guess that makes me an artificial/fake rider... "No, that is not a real rider on that Downtown, that Downtown is piloting itself!"
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Real motorcycle boots are better than hiking boots!! I find Aerostich Combat Lite very good---right kind of sole---minus not waterproof for multi day trips---Hiking boots not for real riders and usually have lug soles that allow you to track mud into just about everyplace you walk.....and these lugs can catch on foot pegs or even edge of scooter foot boards.
I wear Wolverine Durashocks, mostly, a work boot, but I especially like the because the don't have mud tracker soles, and the insulated version is not hot in summer, and offers plenty of ankle support and padding for protection, one downfall is laces, but I put a wrap of duct tape over the laces when riding, and my GF likes em cause I don't track mud into the house
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I do often wear Alt Berg Defender combat boots (I also have their purpose-made motorcycle boots) on both my bike and scooter. They offer all day comfort and an acceptable level of protection to feet & ankles. Does this make me less of a biker / scooterist? You decide. For me, it works.
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I ware Alico Guide hiking boots with lug soles or my Red Wing steel toe logger boots with lug soles. Since I don't tend to ride in wet weather mud is not a issue. Company paid for a new set of steel toe boots every year so now I have a lifetime supply that I'm retired. The funny part is I was a controller sitting in front of a dozen computer screens in a limited access locked down room for 12 hours a shift.
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I ware Alico Guide hiking boots with lug soles or my Red Wing steel toe logger boots with lug soles. Since I don't tend to ride in wet weather mud is not a issue. Company paid for a new set of steel toe boots every year so now I have a lifetime supply that I'm retired. The funny part is I was a controller sitting in front of a dozen computer screens in a limited access locked down room for 12 hours a shift.
Well, “waste not, want not”! (Is that expression used over there?)
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Neil that expression is used on this side of the pond as well. I was taught to always live below your means as well.
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Two good maxims to live by.
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