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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: Rianna on September 25, 2010, 11:09:12 PM
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Not sure what or why.
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Any ideas if it's harmful or indicative of something needing looked into further?
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This pic didn't turn out real clear.
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A couple of beads up at the top there ready to drip down. :-\
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I would think that is brake fluid you need to check to see if the top is on tight or if the class window
wear you put the fluid in at is ok. or the brake line going in is tight.
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I would say grease from the stearing head,But check the brake fluid. Looks like someone is doing a cdi cut maybe :o
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try to wash most of that stuff off. and also the noise comeing from your tires might be some of that stuff that is leaking got on your brakes and is makeing theam squeak.
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The grease getting smeared where it shouldn't I can understand. But if you think the lower part is brake fluid, I'm gonna have to ask the stupid question. lol
If it's brake fluid how did it get there or where is it coming from? I tried looking farther up but I'm having trouble removing the front and back handlebar covers. I'll probably have to take apart something I don't want to get get them off. And Thanks!
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if you have a small hole in the cylinder that holds the brake fluid or a hole in the brake line.it well spray all over and when the scoot is moveing it well get over everything.how full is your brake fluid right now
is it low or stell full if its low that might be whats wrong. can you stick a camra up there take a pic then you might see something in the pic that you cant see from the outside.
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My guess would be steering bearing grease, if it was brake fluid I think it would be easy to see it on the hose or master cylinder. Grease working it's way out of the bearings.
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Thanks for that idea, blue. I took a couple pics...will check in a bit if they turned out. I shone my flashlight up in there and down from the top. The top of the master cylinder box looks clean, shiny and new even. I traced the brake line with my fingers all the way up to the box and there's not any fresh fluid anywhere. No cracks or splits that I can feel, none that I can see from the front view. If the line has some damage it is likely right under all that gooey stuff somewhere. I'll check those spots while I'm wiping it all off. The brake fluid does look lower than before in the window, but I didn't have it on the center stand with front jacked up before so I dunno if it's low.
If I could figure out what to remove I would just take that handlebar cover off to get a good look. I got six screws in my pocket but can't figure out what's left holding it on. Possibly the bolts with the turn signals, didn't look like it in the manual, but who knows?
If it's grease sid, is that a bad thing? Something else I need to do or work on? I'm getting a little tired now, but just trying to figure out what all I may be in for here.
And no, art, cdi is sadly moving farther down the list. :(
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If there was a fractur in the brake line you most likely wouldn't see it, if it was big enough to see and feel you would have brake fluid everywhere but in your cylinder, under the pressure of normal use, the brake fluid will be forced out of the tiniest fracture. If it is the steering bearing grease, cleaning it off would be easy enough. The steering stem would need to be greased sooner or later. To do this the cost would be in the labour, unless you do it yourself, the grease would cost bugger all. The manual should show what you have to do to get the covers off. But then, i did a post about that with the ZX because the manual was vague at best.
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you should be able to tell the dif. beteewn brake fluid and grease. grease would be thicker.
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Maybe it's the pictures - but would brake fluid be that dark?
This is a pretty new scooter.
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I may be wrong, but that grease looks rusty. Water has got in and is working the grease out. Nothing a clean and regrease wouldn't fix. Looks like the next maintenance weekend is at Rianna's.
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Hmmm...it's almost too much for me to think about. Looks like I could have 2 or 3 (or more) things going on here. Gotta try to break it down into parts.
Okay, so I understand what you're saying about greasing the steering stem. It could wait a little. OR...I could do it all at once while it's apart if I can get my hands on some grease (and tools) and learn about 10 times more than I was prepared to learn this soon. Do you by chance know the name of the grease so I could add it to my wish list?
So it seems to me there should be some way to detect tiny fractures, but I haven't a clue what the trick might be, short of filling it up and then checking and checking to see if more shows up where it shouldn't. My mind keeps going to that soapy water thing with tires. Maybe a pair of those magnifying goggle things the dentist uses with the light attached. lol I'm hating the thought of putting it all back together and filling it up only to tear it apart again a few days or a week later. Was really hoping this was all old stuff left on by the dealer's doing.
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you should be able to tell the dif. beteewn brake fluid and grease. grease would be thicker.
Yes, one is thicker than the other.
Maybe it's the pictures - but would brake fluid be that dark?
This is a pretty new scooter.
The lower pics is where the darker stuff is. It's a little bit thick, but not as thick as the lighter stuff in the higher up pics. I wiped a bit of each on a white paper towel to see the difference. It could just be that one is fresher than the other. Not sure.
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having another look at the pics, that grease on the out side does not look rusty, it looks like someone has put grease on those parts that are touching the frame and brackets to stop squeaking.
I used silicone spray on my GS500 where the cable goes through the guide.
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I took a couple more shots, maybe they will come out a little better or closer up.
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Another one.
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Paper towel. LOL!
The one on the left is from up higher near the top. The one on the right is from the very bottom of the steering. It smells a bit burnt to me, but the one on the left doesn't. And no, I didn't taste either of them. ;D
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Paper towel. LOL!
Man, this is like something out of Kymco CSI.
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I used silicone spray on my GS500 where the cable goes through the guide.
There's a big glop of it behind the metal of that guide, sid! Oh I hope that's it.
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Man, this is like something out of Kymco CSI.
lmao...Funny, but true! Life's too short not to have some fun. lol
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I'd say excess grease if you can turn the handle bars your good to go 100+mph ;) Non issue get that brake figured out ;D
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Thank you, art. :)
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Ha! Really! You just need to get those brakes going. Not to say maintanince isn't good but if it aint broke don't fix it. Speacially that head set it can be a challenge for a newbee :D I was one once,bearings and things will fall out of there. If it aint grinding or hopping up and down it will be fine.
Not stopping properly is a conciern,if its just noise you can get away with it,but need to address it at some point,it will still go ;)
I've been riding off road most my life and you would be suprised at how much abuse these bikes can take. (not that i condone it on a scooter) Ha! but these things are built pretty well.
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lol. I appreciate you keeping me focused, art! I can get sidetracked so easily. I made a little headway on the brake issue today, but now I can't stop yawning.
bearings and things will fall out of there
Yeah, I hear ya. I figure that will happen to me. But (if you're lucky) you only make those mistakes once.
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Actually i think they assemble this part of the bike upside down before the motor is installed,so no matter how carefull the bearings will fall out once the grease has been broke down abit. I'm on my third one and don't know an easy way yet. But i'm ready to catch them now to save a trip to the bearing shop :D On the people's model you have to disasemble all to change a damaged fender ::) Don't know about the other models
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Makes ya wonder if the fellas drawing up the designs didn't get bored and have a few too many one nite then try to figure out how to complicate things. lol Hey, you learn something every time, though. And now you know to catch them. That's great! ;D
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It makes perfect sence from a design point but us as an end users arn't in on it. (saves a buck for them) The first one I pulled apart I had a few too many ;) I could hear rain drops and it wer'nt raining ;D Got to run. Good luck,You need to put some miles on that thing.
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That RAIN is a 4-letter word. lol
Thanks, art. Have a good night!
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Well, it looks the goods, it smells the goods, you know what that means.:)
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Rats, Rats! (Double Rats!!) It's raining here today and I wanna go check it out! :(
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It could be that someone previous sprayed a spray lube or a degreaser in or around the steering head for some reason and that's caused the grease to thin and drip out. Even over-use of detergent when washing might do that. If so, it's still not a big issue for now but eventually it should be regreased.
Sure looks to be coming right out of the steering head.
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It would be prudent to do a simple check of the steering head. Put scoot on center stand. Kneel in front of front wheel and grasp bottom of forks with hands. Pull and push firmly and rather quickly with lot of arm muscle. There should be no play or looseness in the steering head. If there is, a tightening of the head is certainly necessary. And don't ride till it's done.
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Thank you, Hoolander2. I will check that today. Since it's raining this is a good time. If it needs tightening am I going to need a special tool? Thought I would ask, just in case.
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No special tool other than some wrench big enough to fit steering head nut. Raise wheel slightly off ground when doing the check. My 500 has a snap off cover in middle of handlebar cover to access the nut. Has Kymco emblem on it. Yours?
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I guess I cropped that part out of the pic, but it looks like I may have to take that whole back cover off to get at it if I need to tighten it. Sounds like your 500 offers a little easier access to work on things. That's a plus.
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G'day Hoolander, do you think it looks like someone has put grease around the cables to stop squeaks?
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I think it's entirely possible that's what happened. I loosened the guide around the cables and also the thinner wire-hangar type one up top and fiddled for a little while and now there is only a small rubbing noise when the handlebar is turned almost all the way toward the right. Hardly noticeable now. There's not much wiggle room in there. But when I was playing with it I got that stuff all over my hands. Ewww. lol.
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do you think it looks like someone has put grease around the cables to stop squeaks?
..my cables had grease...thick gooey grease, when I bought my scoot new....
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Oh well, that is that mystery solved. :)
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...dang...shoulda saved that for mystery scooter theatre.....
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...dang...shoulda saved that for mystery scooter theatre.....
I know, right?? I never thought of it until I read that CSI comment though. lol
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That stuff looks like grease it's also on my scooter as well but in the handlebar area
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...yup!!...they put it up there too...
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For as much as they globbed in there it didn't stop any of the rubbing and squeaking noises. Looks like it ended up in all the wrong places. :D
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..it's also possible that you have a completely different situation....
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I think maybe an exorcism is in order for Rianna's scoot.
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...brb...gotta go get th' pea soup....
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..it's also possible that you have a completely different situation....
Shhhh! Don't even think about another situation!
I think maybe an exorcism is in order for Rianna's scoot.
Hey, I think I saw that movie...lol
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The other alternative is a faith healing session.
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LOL...Wait while I move the scoot closer the the 'puter before you put yer hands on the screen...
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....ommmmmmmmmmmmm...you ready??
..ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
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Gremlins be gone.
You are healed.
Okay, should be good to go.
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Gday to you as well, Sid. ;) Yes, I agree it does look that way in most of the pictures. That one of the steering bearings though looks as though it's coming right out of it. Maybe somebody tried to glop some up in there. ;D
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That one of the steering bearings though looks as though it's coming right out of it
..i reckon i didn see the pics...
..tryin to catch up...dang....
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just a suggestion rianna. Did you get your scoot from a dealer or private owner.If from a dealer
I would see if they can help you out you did just get it right. maybe if they want good business
they might help you out with out soaking you for a whole lot.
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At least it wont squeak in all the wrong places. :)
Yep, miss a couple days and it is hard to catch up. Like zombie said, its like falling off the planet.
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Like zombie said, its like falling off the planet.
..i know right...where th' hell is he anyway.....
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just a suggestion rianna. Did you get your scoot from a dealer or private owner.If from a dealer
I would see if they can help you out you did just get it right. maybe if they want good business
they might help you out with out soaking you for a whole lot.
Hi, blue. I think I missed a few posts here last night. I got it from a dealer, but they are over 2 hours away. I did buy it without a warranty with 552 km on it. If it was a year newer I may have been able to purchase an extended warranty of some sort, not sure, but it wasn't offered with the '07. So it's all me, lol.
There is a dealer across town (he said he no longer carried the agility which is why I bought from farther away - I think he still sells Kymco, not 100% sure, though) and if it ever needs to go there my hope is that I can ride it there since I have no vehicle. Since it's not under warranty, if I ever need to take it to a shop or mechanic, for something I can't do myself, I would like to know exactly what I want fixed or replaced before taking it there and the current going rate for that type of repair.
But...I'm in no rush to give anyone any business anytime soon. lol. We'll get it sorted out, though. I don't mind posting the stupid newbie questions. That's how I learn. And then I get to look back and laugh at myself. The cost of time & patience is more affordable for me than a repair bill right now. :)
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...they might help you out with out soaking you for a whole lot.
That made me LOL. I guess there's a first time for everything?
I doubt I'm the only one who has ever taken a car to a shop only to find out later that for the cost of a $20 part and a $30 tool I could have fixed it myself (if I only knew how) when they were asking for 5 times that much to do the repair. It doesn't leave me with a good feeling afterward.
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Gday to you as well, Sid. ;) Yes, I agree it does look that way in most of the pictures. That one of the steering bearings though looks as though it's coming right out of it. Maybe somebody tried to glop some up in there. ;D
I think you mean the last 2 pics in that first post. Yeah, looked that way to me, too. Could be the same grease I guess, fresher or darker for some reason, but it seemed a different consistency and seemed to smell different to me than the thicker, lighter stuff up top. In person it looks as if it is coming right out of that column where it turns at the bottom. :-\
I was going to check it out yesterday, but there's not a lot of room in here. Thinking to move the couch out of the way today while my son's in school. lol. Maybe I will wipe it all off then check it like you said and see if anything else comes out after putting some pressure on it.
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I dont like to pay someone to do a job that I can do myself, especially at todays going rates. But, in all honesty, they do have a business to run.
I just wish you had someone nearby who could help you, I would be tearing my hair out by now. Well, whats left of it anyway.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Kymco dealer in Lynchburg charges $145.00 per hour for service . They have a sign posted saying this , I found out the hard way . The shop I had been using just went out of business , or moved . Good luck .
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FAAA*><=+RRKK
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Kymco dealer in Lynchburg charges $145.00 per hour for service . They have a sign posted saying this , I found out the hard way . The shop I had been using just went out of business , or moved . Good luck .
YIKES! OUCH!!!
No way I can afford them!!! LOL. Many folks in these parts would probably have to work about 30 hours to afford 1 hour of service after taxes are deducted from their pay. Thanks, juice! Bad news or not, I like to be informed. Wow, did you find a new place to take your scoot or just learn to do much of it yourself?
Reckon I can cross that option off of my list... :o
And No Wonder I see posts on Craigslist looking for scooter mechanics...Wow!
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I would be tearing my hair out by now. Well, whats left of it anyway.
I might have to buy a wig, sid! ;D
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Nah, when the time comes, nude nut.
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I think maybe an exorcism is in order for Rianna's scoot.
Hey, I think I saw that movie...lol
If the handle bars spin around 360 degrees on their own and start spewing grease - run!
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I was using a shop called Illuzions motorsports but they have either moved or gone out of business , I will really miss them if I can't find out where they went . Oh well maybe we can find a lawyer that works on scooters they would be cheaper than the Kymco shop , lol .
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Huh...never heard of Illuzions before, juice. Google doesn't turn up much, couldn't even locate an old address or phone number for them. Would be nice to know if they just changed their name and found a new location or something. I hear ya, those prices are outrageous...bring those lawyers on!!! lol
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If the handle bars spin around 360 degrees on their own and start spewing grease - run!
Shhhh...don't jinx me! ;D
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Well, it's no big deal if it does happen - you'll just need an old priest and a young priest...
But the good news is that I hear they cost a lot less than a lawyer or kymco service rep.
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But...I'm in no rush to give anyone any business anytime soon. lol. We'll get it sorted out, though. I don't mind posting the stupid newbie questions. That's how I learn. And then I get to look back and laugh at myself. The cost of time & patience is more affordable for me than a repair bill right now. :)
[/quote]thats good .thats right thats how we learn I also have learned a lot from this fourm clade to be here. so I gues we well all learn together.
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Your pictires look totally normal if you ask me.
Its grease and put there on purpose.
When you turn right and left the cables move a little and the grease on the cables is there so that the cables dont get worn so much.
And there is also grease in the ball bearing. Some might have come out when they out the bike together.
Grease is good.
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Well, it's no big deal if it does happen - you'll just need an old priest and a young priest...
But the good news is that I hear they cost a lot less than a lawyer or kymco service rep.
Oh, NO! TWO Priests? AND I gotta pay for them??? :D
Still trying to send the rain your way, oswaldters. My little wooden plank ramp is probably gonna sink in all this mud when the rain finally stops. I'll never make it up over that foot high wall and out to the road to test things out. lol. But, hey, don't send the priests yet!!
...Grease is good.
:) Thank you, scootergrisen! :)
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Still trying to send the rain your way
It's been working - we've been getting the rain!
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It's about time, huh? Glad to hear it. How's them tires handling?
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I'm dying to give them a good test - but since I've been riding in the rain I'm being cautious.
According to the service tech I'm supposed to take it reasonably easy on them for a while until the tires 'break in'.
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I'm supposed to take it reasonably easy on them for a while until the tires 'break in'.
The waiting is the hardest part...
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The waiting is the hardest part...
I know - Can't I scuff up the tires with some sandpaper or something?
I guess I'll just wait for the rain to stop and go for a long drive.
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Well, oswaldters, I highlighted this:
scuff up the tires with some sandpaper
then right-clicked and it seems that google says you can...lol
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Yeah - no kidding?
I guess I'll just be patient and do it the traditional way.
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lol...how many miles ya gotta wait before giving them a good test?
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Given the speed I run probably not long.
Not like I'll be taking sharp corners at 45 mph or something.
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lol...I bet you gonna have 'em broke in in no time.
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The wisdom seems to be take it easy for the first 100 miles or so - no hard braking or acceleration.
No problem with the acceleration thing, but I doubt other drivers are going to stop cutting me off for another 90 miles until I have them broken in....
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but I doubt other drivers are going to stop cutting me off for another 90 miles until I have them broken in....
Yeah...you got that right! The fools are still gonna be fools.
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When running new tyres, don't push them straight away, some say 50km, my owner's manuals for my suzukis say 160km, I think that is for covering their backsides. When you are running in your tyres just go easy on the corners and progressively lean a little more.
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but I doubt other drivers are going to stop cutting me off for another 90 miles until I have them broken in....
Well there's foreshadowing for you...
Was riding in this morning taking it at a moderate pace because of the rain/new tire stuff and approached an intersection shortly after the light had turned green. Always a welcome event because that means I can get through the next few sets of lights without stopping.
So I'm on the throttle and making sure there is nobody in the oncomming lanes lining up to make a left in front of me- which there wasn't, and then I started my usual look left, look right routine before entering the intersection. As I look left I see a car that I'm concened about since they don't seem like they are slowing down as much as they should. So I get on the brakes to start slowing the scoot down just in case.
Sure enough the car comes into the intersection without stopping and then, realizing what was happening, the driver stops the car iin the interesection completely blocking my lane. With nowhere to go I get on the brakes hard and hope for the best. Luckily the agility has great stopping power and the new tires held their ground.
Stopped with 4 or 5 feet to spare - but damn!
It's a jungle out there - everyone stay safe!
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Stopped with 4 or 5 feet to spare - but damn!
Whew!
the new tires held their ground
It's good to know you got good tires!
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..right about that point is when my basar reflexes take over and my middle finger becomes distinctly visible to the asshole driver...
...can't help it...it just hapens...
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I know what you mean!
However, at the time I was so relieved that everything went well that I didn't even get angry.
Good thing I was coming off a residential street and only doing 25-30 mph.
Still, woke me up faster than my morning coffee!
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i still prefare slingers response on that one :)
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my middle finger becomes distinctly visible to the asshole driver...
That being the case, maybe he should be called "Fingerslinger" instead?
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lmao i think word just got a new nick name ;)
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finger song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRJwEafjRw#)